Child porn

[BoredShirtless]

Nice theory. Too bad it hasn't got a shred of evidence to support it.

I haven't got evidence showing a deprogramed pedophile. But can we agree that sexual attraction is to some degree acquired? Defined partly by our experiences in life?

No one has ever successfully "deprogrammed" a pedophile to remove his urges; at best, they can only control his behaviour.

Really? You're asserting something; proof?

[Trekdestroyer]

First of all, it's illegal and I don't know any normal person who likes it. I can't possibly imagine what kind of sick person wuld make this crap. If you like it, that's your business and I am not going to say anything to you about it. That's it and that's all I have to say about it.

[Darth Wong]

Nice theory. Too bad it hasn't got a shred of evidence to support it.

I haven't got evidence showing a deprogramed pedophile. But can we agree that sexual attraction is to some degree acquired? Defined partly by our experiences in life?

Perhaps, but it does not follow that this can be "deprogrammed". Human behaviours and upbringing can't simply be erased and rewritten like a piece of computer memory.

No one has ever successfully "deprogrammed" a pedophile to remove his urges; at best, they can only control his behaviour.

Really? You're asserting something; proof?

Proof of a negative? Are you trying to be an idiot? If you agree that you have no evidence of a deprogrammed pedophile, what are you trying to prove with this bullshit?

[Alyrium Denryle]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Problem is there is nothing, and I mean nothing, to suggest that pedophilia is anything but a mental disorder. Usully caused by prior abuse(statistically, most pedophiles were abused as children)

Yes there is. Man develops brain tumour, man becomes a pedophile. Tumor is removed, man stops being a pedophile.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Schitzophrenia can be caused by brain damage as well, doesnt mean that it isnt a mental disorder. Mental disorders can be caused by a large number of things, from genetics to brain damage. The fact that the vast majority of pedophiles are vvictims off abuse themselves speak more toward environmetal factors, than a genetic link.

A tumor is... a somewhat different case than a "normal" person.

[fgalkin]

to suggest that pedophilia is anything but a mental disorder. Usully caused by prior abuse(statistically, most pedophiles were abused as children)

Being abused as a child would hardly give you a tumor.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Alyrium Denryle]

to suggest that pedophilia is anything but a mental disorder. Usully caused by prior abuse(statistically, most pedophiles were abused as children)

Being abused as a child would hardly give you a tumor.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

True, but a tumor is something different... hell, tumors can cause all kinds of issues... Like turning an otherwise normal person into a violent monster

And I did qualify my statement with Usually, and even with a tumor, we are still dealing with a mental disorder

[BoredShirtless]

Nice theory. Too bad it hasn't got a shred of evidence to support it.

I haven't got evidence showing a deprogramed pedophile. But can we agree that sexual attraction is to some degree acquired? Defined partly by our experiences in life?

Perhaps, but it does not follow that this can be "deprogrammed". Human behaviours and upbringing can't simply be erased and rewritten like a piece of computer memory.

You don't have to erase upbringing in order to "deprogramm" someone. Finding the root causes of the behaviour could potentially "deprogram" the desire by forcing the person to face the cause of the behaviour; not just reflect on the symptoms and know it's bad but not know why the desire is still there.

No one has ever successfully "deprogrammed" a pedophile to remove his urges; at best, they can only control his behaviour.

Really? You're asserting something; proof?

Proof of a negative? Are you trying to be an idiot? If you agree that you have no evidence of a deprogrammed pedophile, what are you trying to prove with this bullshit?

That assertions which can't be proven are pretty much useless.

[Kuroneko]

You don't have to erase upbringing in order to "deprogramm" someone. Finding the root causes of the behaviour could potentially "deprogram" the desire by forcing the person to face the cause of the behaviour; not just reflect on the symptoms and know it's bad but not know why the desire is still there.

And what happens when this cause is brain structure, as is often the case with sexual orientation? Sexuality is unlike other desires because it is so very basic.

[Stark]

I'd like to clarify the OP: here in AU a lot of reasonably high-profile pedophile busts have occurred, and the media centers on the ones that are in to infants and children. Since they're younger, is it more common for them to be abused, or is the media simply being sensationalist?

[Trytostaydead]

I'd like to clarify the OP: here in AU a lot of reasonably high-profile pedophile busts have occurred, and the media centers on the ones that are in to infants and children. Since they're younger, is it more common for them to be abused, or is the media simply being sensationalist?

Didn't you guys recently have a huge nationwide bust? Well, with your age of consent at 16, it's already pretty much a good distinction between children and teens/adults.

[Justforfun000]

You don't have to erase upbringing in order to "deprogramm" someone. Finding the root causes of the behaviour could potentially "deprogram" the desire by forcing the person to face the cause of the behaviour; not just reflect on the symptoms and know it's bad but not know why the desire is still there.

This sounds like a logical theory at a superficial glance, but I don't think it's that simple with sexuality. You are probably thinking along the lines of irrational fears that have been examined by hypnosis and then have spontaneously "resolved". Those types of trauma are a little bit different than something as basic and powerful as sexual desire.

When you were giving examples of choosing to be turned on by someone's ass, you have to see that all you are really describing is a FORM of that basic attraction that is individual in the way those tastes are expressed. The real hard-wire is the fact that you are interested in that particular genders ass at ALL.

We don't truly know where sexual desire comes from, but it's safe to say when you examine the (unbiased) evidence that we have to date, that it definitely seems to be innate and essentially unchangeable as to its natural response from someone. If you are homosexual, a man WILL turn you on. Period. Even if you fight it, you will see an image, a movement, or even a sentence describing something sexual involving a man and you WILL respond. This is unchangeable. This is completely different from action, we are talking about the ability to evoke a response. Like you said before, you never had desire for a man, and you never felt sexual attraction. Exactly. It isn’t THERE. That’s why you are straight.

I truly have no idea about pedophiles, but I would hope for their sake that it's NOT the same as homosexuality/bisexuality. Maybe there is something disorderly about the condition brought on by abuse, or brain chemistry from variables such as tumours. Who knows? It's still an open ended question.

But don't try to suggest you can change innate desires as basic as sexual gender preference. The evidence is far too overwhelming to the contrary.

[Boyish-Tigerlilly]

That assertions which can't be proven are pretty much useless.

So saying no evidence exists for A is wrong because you can't prove there is no evidence for A? How does that work.

If you are saying somethign doesn't realisticaly exist because zero evidence for it, there is no reason to say it exists. You can only say it doesn't. If no one can prove that getting rid of characteristic ABC gets rid of the problem, then what the hell would you say?

Prove it?