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Monsters, Inc.
The Pentagon Plan to Create Mutant "Super-Soldiers"
by CHRIS FLOYD

The great wizard, leader of the Wise, once known to all the world as a force for good, has turned bitter, fearful--and ambitious. Aping the ways of the evil he once fought--brutality, dominance, greed, terror--he descends to his secret laboratory, where, with black arts of alchemy and fiendish technology, he breeds a race of mutant warriors, "iron bodied and iron willed": fierce fighters who can attack day and night, without rest, their combat spirit kept soaring by spikes of lightning from the wizard's wand.

A scene from Tolkein's Lord of the Rings, where the corrupted wizard Saruman fashions his monstrous Uruk-Hai to wage a relentless, remorseless war for dominion? No; unfortunately it's a very real scheme now being pursued by the Pentagon, whose dope wizards and gene splicers are working on the creation of the "Extended Performance War Fighter," the Daily Telegraph and Christian Science Monitor report.

Pentagon dark lord Donald Rumsfeld is shoveling billions of tax dollars into the research furnaces of federal laboratories and private universities across the land in the wide-ranging effort to spawn "super soldiers," fired by drugs and electromagnetic "brain zaps" to fight without ceasing for days on end. The work is being directed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)--yes, the same outfit now laboring under convicted terrorist-conspirator John Poindexter to build the "Total Information Awareness" network that will allow the government to monitor the electronic records and communications of every citizen.

The DARPA "war fighter enhancement" programs--an acceleration of bipartisan biotinkering that's been going on for years--will involve injecting young men and women with hormonal, neurological and genetic concoctions; implanting microchips and electrodes in their bodies to control their internal organs and brain functions; and plying them with drugs that deaden some of their normal human tendencies: the need for sleep, the fear of death, the reluctance to kill their fellow human beings.

The research is "very aggressive and wide open," says Admiral Stephen Baker of the Center for Defense Information. Indeed, the U.S. Special Operations Command envisions the creation of "iron bodied and iron willed personnel" who can "resist the mental and physiological effects of sleep deprivation" while relying on "ergogenic substances" to "manage" the "environmental and mentally induced stress" of the battlefield. Their bodies juiced, their brains swaddled in Prozacian haze, the enhanced warfighters can churn relentlessly, remorselessly toward dominion.

And the term "creation" is not just fanciful rhetoric: some of the research now underway involves actually altering the genetic code of soldiers, modifying bits of DNA to fashion a new type of human specimen, one that functions like a machine, killing tirelessly for days and nights on end. These mutations will "revolutionize the contemporary order of battle" and guarantee "operational dominance across the whole range of potential U.S. military employments," the DARPA wizards enthuse.

Of course, the Pentagon is not waiting on sci-fi technology to enhance the physical abilities of its warfighters; old-fashioned off-the-shelf "additives" have long been shoved down soldiers' throats. For example, the use of amphetamines for pilots has been widespread for decades; during the first Bush-Saddam War, whole squadrons were cranked up on the stuff. Not only is the gobbling of speed officially sanctioned, it's actively encouraged, even implicitly mandated--careers can be derailed for pilots who refuse to drug themselves.

The results of this dope-peddling were clearly seen on the new imperial frontier of Afghanistan last spring, when two U.S. pilots--hopped up on speed--killed four Canadian allies in a "friendly fire" bombing raid. The pilots, now facing legal charges, say Air Force brass pressured them into taking the mind-altering drug before the fatal flight.

But such glitches are inevitable in any grand scientific undertaking, and DARPA remains undeterred in its bold quest to "push the limits of human input/output," advance the "symbiotic relationship between man and machine," and customize "pharmaceutical technology" to "embolden the warfighter and his superiors," as military scientists declared at a Pentagon-sponsored conference on "future warfare."

What happens to the burnt-out husks of these "iron" soldiers after their minds and bodies have been eaten way by relentless modification and ceaseless toil is, of course, of no concern to the Bush Regime. Even now, the White House is cutting back on health benefits to military veterans--even going so far as to order veterans hospitals not to advertise their available services, lest broken soldiers actually seek to claim the promise of support their government once gave them. For men like Bush--protected scions of privilege who sit out wars in safety, in booze-addled luxury--such promises are just cynical sucker ploys, aimed at coaxing decent soldiers into acting as the hitmen of empire, then discarding them when they're no longer needed.

How very strange it is: those who want to turn American soldiers into mindless, drug-addled mutants and send them off to kill and die in far-flung wars of imperial conquest are seen as patriots, noble leaders, doing the will of God; while those who would rather see these good men and women called home, treated with honor and respect--their talents and dedication applied solely to the defense of their own great country, not pressed into the service of a greedy, rapacious elite--are denounced as "traitors," "anti-American agitators," "allies of terrorism."

But such is the inversion of values--the wisdom gone astray and turned to fell practice--that now rules in Bush's Washington, and in the Pentagon's fiery crucibles of war.
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As long as each super soldiers is completely informed and willing, I see no problem. A similar "normal" soldier will be asked to risk one's life for country... I see no difference with the use of drugs or enhancements.


Personally, if I was about to charge into battle, if there was a drug that increased alertness, reduced the chance of shell shock, allowed me to fight while injured, etc... I would be asking to take it.
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Jacob's Ladder anybody?
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While this article is vastly alarmist and way out there on left field, I agree that as long as the participants are willing, turn them into whatever you want to.

They want to fight, die, or kill for their ideals. Good for them. If you can do with one drug-addled superman what you can do with a dozen scared boys, I'm all for it.
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My personal preference is gene therapy along with mind-altering psychiatric drugs or something along the lines of a reliable PCP jacked soldier.

Biomechanical enhancements may also help, not full blown power armour, but possibly nanocapsules in the body that release drugs at a set rate when given a transmission signal, enhanced vision such as UV or IR/thermal imaging, communicators in the inner ear and location trackers with a decent range and ability not to give away position to the enemy and so on so forth.

Would help if the soldiers were already disciplined, eager and motivated and well trained Spartan like men to start with really.
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If we were dealing with Spartan levels of military training, I'd be scared shitless. I don't want to meet anyone who loves to kill, longs only to die in battle surrounded by the dismembered corpses of their enemies, dismisses all forms of currency and art, subsists on a diet of blood and gruel, and humps little boys.
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Vympel wrote:
Monsters, Inc.
The Pentagon Plan to Create Mutant "Super-Soldiers"
by CHRIS FLOYD

The great wizard, leader of the Wise, once known to all the world as a force for good, has turned bitter, fearful--and ambitious. Aping the ways of the evil he once fought--brutality, dominance, greed, terror--he descends to his secret laboratory, where, with black arts of alchemy and fiendish technology, he breeds a race of mutant warriors, "iron bodied and iron willed": fierce fighters who can attack day and night, without rest, their combat spirit kept soaring by spikes of lightning from the wizard's wand.

A scene from Tolkein's Lord of the Rings, where the corrupted wizard Saruman fashions his monstrous Uruk-Hai to wage a relentless, remorseless war for dominion? No; unfortunately it's a very real scheme now being pursued by the Pentagon, whose dope wizards and gene splicers are working on the creation of the "Extended Performance War Fighter," the Daily Telegraph and Christian Science Monitor report.

Pentagon dark lord Donald Rumsfeld is shoveling billions of tax dollars into the research furnaces of federal laboratories and private universities across the land in the wide-ranging effort to spawn "super soldiers," fired by drugs and electromagnetic "brain zaps" to fight without ceasing for days on end. The work is being directed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)--yes, the same outfit now laboring under convicted terrorist-conspirator John Poindexter to build the "Total Information Awareness" network that will allow the government to monitor the electronic records and communications of every citizen.

The DARPA "war fighter enhancement" programs--an acceleration of bipartisan biotinkering that's been going on for years--will involve injecting young men and women with hormonal, neurological and genetic concoctions; implanting microchips and electrodes in their bodies to control their internal organs and brain functions; and plying them with drugs that deaden some of their normal human tendencies: the need for sleep, the fear of death, the reluctance to kill their fellow human beings.

The research is "very aggressive and wide open," says Admiral Stephen Baker of the Center for Defense Information. Indeed, the U.S. Special Operations Command envisions the creation of "iron bodied and iron willed personnel" who can "resist the mental and physiological effects of sleep deprivation" while relying on "ergogenic substances" to "manage" the "environmental and mentally induced stress" of the battlefield. Their bodies juiced, their brains swaddled in Prozacian haze, the enhanced warfighters can churn relentlessly, remorselessly toward dominion.

And the term "creation" is not just fanciful rhetoric: some of the research now underway involves actually altering the genetic code of soldiers, modifying bits of DNA to fashion a new type of human specimen, one that functions like a machine, killing tirelessly for days and nights on end. These mutations will "revolutionize the contemporary order of battle" and guarantee "operational dominance across the whole range of potential U.S. military employments," the DARPA wizards enthuse.

Of course, the Pentagon is not waiting on sci-fi technology to enhance the physical abilities of its warfighters; old-fashioned off-the-shelf "additives" have long been shoved down soldiers' throats. For example, the use of amphetamines for pilots has been widespread for decades; during the first Bush-Saddam War, whole squadrons were cranked up on the stuff. Not only is the gobbling of speed officially sanctioned, it's actively encouraged, even implicitly mandated--careers can be derailed for pilots who refuse to drug themselves.

The results of this dope-peddling were clearly seen on the new imperial frontier of Afghanistan last spring, when two U.S. pilots--hopped up on speed--killed four Canadian allies in a "friendly fire" bombing raid. The pilots, now facing legal charges, say Air Force brass pressured them into taking the mind-altering drug before the fatal flight.

But such glitches are inevitable in any grand scientific undertaking, and DARPA remains undeterred in its bold quest to "push the limits of human input/output," advance the "symbiotic relationship between man and machine," and customize "pharmaceutical technology" to "embolden the warfighter and his superiors," as military scientists declared at a Pentagon-sponsored conference on "future warfare."

What happens to the burnt-out husks of these "iron" soldiers after their minds and bodies have been eaten way by relentless modification and ceaseless toil is, of course, of no concern to the Bush Regime. Even now, the White House is cutting back on health benefits to military veterans--even going so far as to order veterans hospitals not to advertise their available services, lest broken soldiers actually seek to claim the promise of support their government once gave them. For men like Bush--protected scions of privilege who sit out wars in safety, in booze-addled luxury--such promises are just cynical sucker ploys, aimed at coaxing decent soldiers into acting as the hitmen of empire, then discarding them when they're no longer needed.

How very strange it is: those who want to turn American soldiers into mindless, drug-addled mutants and send them off to kill and die in far-flung wars of imperial conquest are seen as patriots, noble leaders, doing the will of God; while those who would rather see these good men and women called home, treated with honor and respect--their talents and dedication applied solely to the defense of their own great country, not pressed into the service of a greedy, rapacious elite--are denounced as "traitors," "anti-American agitators," "allies of terrorism."

But such is the inversion of values--the wisdom gone astray and turned to fell practice--that now rules in Bush's Washington, and in the Pentagon's fiery crucibles of war.

It almost sounds like the Space Marines of Warhammer 40K are becoming reality!!! OK, they only have to equip these Super-Soldiers with powered exoskeletal armour. Meanwhile, they have just made the Clonetroopers into reality.

Then again, if these experiments go wrong, it might be possible that the Pentagon create.... CHUD!!!
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I am reminded of Alpha Centauri, and one of the quotes...

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If the subjects are willing, very well. The concept of soldiers bred for the purpose frightens me, but I recignize others may attempt this, and the prospect of these creations attacking us, not defending, is worse.
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wide-ranging effort to spawn "super soldiers," fired by drugs
deatils would be nice
and electromagnetic "brain zaps" to fight without ceasing for days on end.
*Laughs as EMP kills the entire army* Seriously how are they gonna harden that?
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Jacob's Ladder? Don't forget Firestarter, or Spiderman's Green Goblin!
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Lagmonster wrote:If we were dealing with Spartan levels of military training, I'd be scared shitless. I don't want to meet anyone who loves to kill, longs only to die in battle surrounded by the dismembered corpses of their enemies, dismisses all forms of currency and art, subsists on a diet of blood and gruel, and humps little boys.
We wouldn't have N. Korea or Iraq now though if these guys were around in modern form.
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Here comes Dark Angel! :D :twisted:
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jaeger115 wrote:Here comes Dark Angel! :D :twisted:
With better ratings I hope.
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wait, this isnt like an onion page?

go for it. I love the sound of 10 million goosestepping clonetroopers waving usa flags.
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Our Vets have post-traumatic stress disorder, and "Gulf War Syndrome" now, I'd hate to see what we'd get after fighting a war using drugged up cyborgs, especially after logistical problems giving out the drugs and enemy EMP weapons fry thier computer-brains up good. Besides, wouldn't it be easier just to brainwash and condition troops to love war? Forceful initiation into a fanatical warrior religion would help, too. :P
...This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old...ultraviolence.
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The use of performance enhancing drugs in combat needs to be banned. This ban must be enforced by having the victors undergo random drug testing immediatly after winning a battle. If the tests come back positive, any ground taken must be returned.

These drugs create an uneven playing field where the pure soldier feels compelled to take drugs just to be able to compete. In addition, standardized weapons and equipment should be issued to all sides, and salary caps should be in place as well.
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Korvan wrote:The use of performance enhancing drugs in combat needs to be banned. This ban must be enforced by having the victors undergo random drug testing immediatly after winning a battle. If the tests come back positive, any ground taken must be returned.

These drugs create an uneven playing field where the pure soldier feels compelled to take drugs just to be able to compete. In addition, standardized weapons and equipment should be issued to all sides, and salary caps should be in place as well.
ROFLMAO! I can just see someone trying to enforce that.
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Korvan wrote:The use of performance enhancing drugs in combat needs to be banned. This ban must be enforced by having the victors undergo random drug testing immediatly after winning a battle. If the tests come back positive, any ground taken must be returned.

These drugs create an uneven playing field where the pure soldier feels compelled to take drugs just to be able to compete. In addition, standardized weapons and equipment should be issued to all sides, and salary caps should be in place as well.
Haven't you ever heard "All's fair in love and war?" :) I kinda wish war would go back to swords and bows...So less complicated.
...This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old...ultraviolence.
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jaeger115 wrote:Here comes Dark Angel! :D :twisted:
Hell, some military personel already have the barcodes. Hell, I've also seen punks with them...funny thing, this barcode is.
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Korvan wrote:The use of performance enhancing drugs in combat needs to be banned. This ban must be enforced by having the victors undergo random drug testing immediatly after winning a battle. If the tests come back positive, any ground taken must be returned.

These drugs create an uneven playing field where the pure soldier feels compelled to take drugs just to be able to compete. In addition, standardized weapons and equipment should be issued to all sides, and salary caps should be in place as well.
bull. the only thing that matters is winning. this isnt the olympics, it's blood and fire.

and, ww3. tacnukes, battledroids, and clone cyborgs. I must get in power. . .
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Hell, some military personel already have the barcodes.
Why?
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jaeger115 wrote:
Hell, some military personel already have the barcodes.
Why?
Body part ID made easy I'd be willing to guess.

Just run them under a supermarket scanner and get their name, rank and N.O.K. A whole bunch easier than blood/DNA testing.
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Korvan wrote:The use of performance enhancing drugs in combat needs to be banned. This ban must be enforced by having the victors undergo random drug testing immediatly after winning a battle. If the tests come back positive, any ground taken must be returned.

These drugs create an uneven playing field where the pure soldier feels compelled to take drugs just to be able to compete. In addition, standardized weapons and equipment should be issued to all sides, and salary caps should be in place as well.
You are clearly on crack. Should the UK give back the Falklands because we had an unfair advantage(Our Harriers had full fuel tanks when their fighters arrived on the scene with empties)?
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He's joking. Relax.
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