Bible bashing in the media

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-01-18 01:10am

I just watched an episode of SG:1 last week where they go to a world which has mideval European Christian, and teal'k comments on how no Goa'uld could display the benevolence and generosity that the bible does, even though there's a lot more violence in it. So, I'm wonder why they decided to give the bible a pat on the back like this, why are they too chickenshit to expose it for what it really is?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-18 01:12am

Why do you think? America has a giant blind spot when it comes to the Bible. Even when it comes to the OT, most Americans believe it's only a little violent, but not really virulent or evil. And if you go against that tide, they put you out of business.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-18 01:17am

Shrykull wrote:I just watched an episode of SG:1 last week where they go to a world which has mideval European Christian, and teal'k comments on how no Goa'uld could display the benevolence and generosity that the bible does, even though there's a lot more violence in it. So, I'm wonder why they decided to give the bible a pat on the back like this, why are they too chickenshit to expose it for what it really is?

I don't think they are intentionally doing so. They probably just haven't thought about it very much.

Despite what it appears from this board, many people don't actually think about the Bible that deeply. I told a girl about how after reading the Bible I came to the conclusion that God was a prick and that the protaganist was the Devil. She said that that was the first time she had ever heard someone interpret it that way.

Truth is that not many people actually analyze the Bible for what it is.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-01-18 01:20am

Notice:
The majority of all people in the US are christian, the three biggest groups being: EuroAms, AfroAms, and LatinoAms(Or HispanicAms). All of these peoples have heavy christian influence, even if most people are moderates. This means ratings and product placements will be based on this.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-18 01:23am

Why should the media bash or praise the Bible in the first place?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-18 01:26am

HemlockGrey wrote:Why should the media bash or praise the Bible in the first place?

To shamelessly pander to the mass market, which is their only real skill.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-18 01:28am

To shamelessly pander to the mass market, which is their only real skill

Oh, I don't question that. Skrykull said that the media should bash the Bible instead of praising it, and I'm asking 'why'?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-01-18 01:29am

you know, lord wong, a while back, you said the bible was the same kind of book as mien kampf - after reading both for a while, Im agreeing with you.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-18 01:36am

The Bible is the only book in America which is permitted to openly blast whole religions and cultures as being evil, simply for the crime of not believing in its God. Oh sure, Pat Robertson and some of his insane ilk do that too, but they don't get off easy for it; they're vilified by liberals and moderates alike. But the Bible? Big fat blind spot, even for the OT. Look at "Prince of Egypt", depicting mass infanticide and sold as a wonderful children's tale.

And yes, Talen, I still maintain that it is quite similar to Mein Kampf in some ways, and I'm glad to see you can recognize some of that.

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-01-18 01:38am

Oh, I don't question that. Skrykull said that the media should bash the Bible instead of praising it, and I'm asking 'why'?

I said why don't they expose it, mainly I was thinking why are they afraid to say something negative about it in public it seems to be a common trend, I don't know of any anti-bible program, like the opposite of the 700 club on TV, actually I've never heard anything negative ever on TV, or radio, etc. Actually, just once when I heard some woman say "Why is it we never want to get rid of religion, that bad things happen but we that's the one thing we don't want to get rid of."

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2003-01-18 01:41am

"Wong Hour" with your host, Darth Wong. Serving a Christian nation with Christianity, because you're too damn stupid to realize otherwise.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-18 01:41am

I said why don't they expose it, mainly I was thinking why are they afraid to say something negative about it in public it seems to be a common trend, I don't know of any anti-bible program, like the opposite of the 700 club on TV, actually I've never heard anything negative ever on TV, or radio, etc. Actually, just once when I heard some woman say "Why is it we never want to get rid of religion, that bad things happen but we that's the one thing we don't want to get rid of."

This might have to do with most of America's population being Christian. For the record, I know loads of Christians who hate the 700 Club

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2003-01-18 01:43am

But do they realize the gaping moral pit that the Bible is? Therein lies the issue.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-18 01:48am

SeebianWurm wrote:But do they realize the gaping moral pit that the Bible is? Therein lies the issue.

I think most of us recognize there are contradictions, and try to resolve them as best as possible. Since most recognize that much of it is symbolism (the entire book of Genesis and Joshua come to mind), those stories aren't necessarily applicable to the modern faith.

Darth Wong wrote:Look at "Prince of Egypt", depicting mass infanticide and sold as a wonderful children's tale.

Depicted as a negative. The mass infanticide was part of the persecution of the Hebiru in Egypt. I'll agree that probably it's not a good idea in a children's movie, but that was the producer's decision.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-18 01:53am

The Dark wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Look at "Prince of Egypt", depicting mass infanticide and sold as a wonderful children's tale.
Depicted as a negative. The mass infanticide was part of the persecution of the Hebiru in Egypt. I'll agree that probably it's not a good idea in a children's movie, but that was the producer's decision.

Is that the plagues one? How is that part of the persecution of the Hebrews? I thought it was Moses' terrorist response to the persecution of the Hebrews.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-18 02:03am

neoolong wrote:
The Dark wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Look at "Prince of Egypt", depicting mass infanticide and sold as a wonderful children's tale.
Depicted as a negative. The mass infanticide was part of the persecution of the Hebiru in Egypt. I'll agree that probably it's not a good idea in a children's movie, but that was the producer's decision.
Is that the plagues one? How is that part of the persecution of the Hebrews? I thought it was Moses' terrorist response to the persecution of the Hebrews.

Merde. I forgot about the Last Plague. That was God's response to the refusal of the Egyptians to submit to his authority after pledging their word that they would. I dunno...if we find evidence of WMDs despite Hussein's promise that they have none would you approve a war? I realize it's not quite the same thing, but it's the best analogy I can think of at 2 AM.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-18 02:11am

The Dark wrote:
neoolong wrote:
The Dark wrote:Depicted as a negative. The mass infanticide was part of the persecution of the Hebiru in Egypt. I'll agree that probably it's not a good idea in a children's movie, but that was the producer's decision.
Is that the plagues one? How is that part of the persecution of the Hebrews? I thought it was Moses' terrorist response to the persecution of the Hebrews.
Merde. I forgot about the Last Plague. That was God's response to the refusal of the Egyptians to submit to his authority after pledging their word that they would. I dunno

And did he ask every single one? Or just the pharoah and God then decides to massacre a bunch of people instead of just taking out the guilty, which is supposedly within his capability. Though even doing that isn't really justified.

...if we find evidence of WMDs despite Hussein's promise that they have none would you approve a war?

Him having WMDs isn't the only reason to go to war. It would have been better to have taken him out in the first place, instead of going now.

I realize it's not quite the same thing, but it's the best analogy I can think of at 2 AM.

I don't see how it is a valid analogy. Is it that the Egyptians lied so they deserve to die? No. Is it just that Hussein lied so we should go to war? No.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-01-18 02:13am

course, god hardened pharoh's heart, so it's really good. our blood god killed thousands (tens of thousands?) to soothe his ego.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-18 02:53am

The Dark wrote:Merde. I forgot about the Last Plague. That was God's response to the refusal of the Egyptians to submit to his authority after pledging their word that they would. I dunno...if we find evidence of WMDs despite Hussein's promise that they have none would you approve a war? I realize it's not quite the same thing, but it's the best analogy I can think of at 2 AM.

You can rest assured that we would not deliberately target all of Iraq's male children and babies.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » 2003-01-18 02:51pm

Are there any records of the moses thing happening in Egypt. You think it would defenatly be something the egyptians would write about.

Because if there isn't, that's a real kick in the pants for fundementalists in my mind.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-18 03:05pm

Orion wrote:Are there any records of the moses thing happening in Egypt. You think it would defenatly be something the egyptians would write about.

Because if there isn't, that's a real kick in the pants for fundementalists in my mind.

There probably are records of the Hebrew's mass exodus from Egypt, but not under the circumstances described by the Old Testicle.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-18 03:38pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Orion wrote:Are there any records of the moses thing happening in Egypt. You think it would defenatly be something the egyptians would write about.

Because if there isn't, that's a real kick in the pants for fundementalists in my mind.
There probably are records of the Hebrew's mass exodus from Egypt, but not under the circumstances described by the Old Testicle.

There are no independent records of the exodus. However, fundies try to argue this away by pointing out that the Egyptians never keep records of their failure. The most reasonable hypothesis to our religion department (20 students tossing theories and butting heads) is that a few Hebiru were slaves in Egypt, escaped, and the story grew to legend. All of Genesis and Exodus are considered to be saga by us, much like the Odyssesy within Greek storytelling, except that the "events" of the Pentateuch date back nearly 4000 years.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-01-18 03:45pm

Shrykull wrote:I just watched an episode of SG:1 last week where they go to a world which has mideval European Christian, and teal'k comments on how no Goa'uld could display the benevolence and generosity that the bible does, even though there's a lot more violence in it. So, I'm wonder why they decided to give the bible a pat on the back like this, why are they too chickenshit to expose it for what it really is?

Couldn't one interpretate it like that that Goa'uld are so evil that they make the Old Testament God look benevolent??

However, I have a hard time believing that, as it takes Khmer Rouge-level malevolence to beat the Old Testament's worst atrocities.

(And the Khmer Rouge were possibly one of the most evil regimes on earth - they killed people just for having a higher education, or other criteria making them "undesirable" in their "ideal society")

Oh, wait, the Khmer Rouge have never attempted to annihilate all life on earth. It's not easy to find evil that rivals that of the Old Testament, is it??

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-18 05:49pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Oh, wait, the Khmer Rouge have never attempted to annihilate all life on earth. It's not easy to find evil that rivals that of the Old Testament, is it??

Perhaps Grand Moff Tarkin. Although in the scale of the SW galaxy, that was more proportionate to the destruction of a single city by our standards, as opposed to virtual genocide of the entire human species.

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-01-18 06:16pm

The Dark wrote:Merde. I forgot about the Last Plague. That was God's response to the refusal of the Egyptians to submit to his authority after pledging their word that they would. I dunno...if we find evidence of WMDs despite Hussein's promise that they have none would you approve a war? I realize it's not quite the same thing, but it's the best analogy I can think of at 2 AM.

God hardened Phaoroh's heart so he could kill the chidren, your analogy would be better if the U.S. put WMDs in Iraq just so the U.S.could fool the world into supporting them.

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