Modern Greece wanker/homophobe

[TithonusSyndrome]

My google-fu is especially weak today, and wouldn't you know it, I've run into a Greece wanker. Not just any Greece wanker, but a wanker of modern Greece, if you can imagine such a thing. The user has made claims to the effect that:

• The modern Greek army does not admit homosexuals, and will actually bend someone over and inspect their assholes to see if they are suspect as such.
• Greek pilots are vastly superior to Turkish pilots.
• The Greek Air Force is superior to the Turkish Air Force in terms of equipment and armament.
• The Greek special forces, the OYK, are among the world's best, trained with such fervor that "They can no longer communicate as human beings because now they're machines built for killing."
• The Greek Underwater Demolitions Unit is the world's best, and their reputation as such is due in no small part to the fact that they will not admit "fags".
• His position is rock-solid to the point where he dosen't have to source text or images because he is related to members of the Greek army.

Anyone know if any of this contains even a kernel of truth?

[Tsyroc]

The US military has recruits "bend over and spread 'em" as part of their initial physical. It isn't to see if people have been having anal sex it's mostly to check for visible hemorrhoids. So that being said it wouldn't surprise me if the Greek military does the same thing. It's just not to check for what the wanker you mentioned says it's for.

I think it's funny that he's specifically comparing the Greek forces to those of Turkey. It seems to me that if Greece was that much better supplied and trained than Turkey then Cyprus wouldn't still be split between the two countries. Unless of course the Greek military is that much better trained and supplied but they are just afraid to go up against Turkey.


Assuming the Greek UD unit is one of the world's best I would imagine it has more to do with lots of practice and nothing to do with keeping out gays. Given the country's coast line and maritime tradition I think that has a lot more to do with any quality on their part than any supposed "superior unit cohesion" by preventing gays from joining.

[Aaron]

I suggest you PM Crown and ask him your questions as he is currently fulfilling his conscripted duties as part of the Greek Army. He's had a few choice words to say about that in the Mess.

[Patrick Degan]

Are you sure this isn't the Michael Constantine character from My Big Fat Greek Wedding perchance...?

[Big Phil]

How old is the clown you're debating? 15?

[TithonusSyndrome]

I think it's funny that he's specifically comparing the Greek forces to those of Turkey. It seems to me that if Greece was that much better supplied and trained than Turkey then Cyprus wouldn't still be split between the two countries. Unless of course the Greek military is that much better trained and supplied but they are just afraid to go up against Turkey.

That part of the debate came out of the homophobic comment, actually; I said that if the Greek army seriously practised such a ridiculous form of screening, then I wasn't suprised that the Turkish Air Force humiliated them over Cyprus every few years, and he started spewing text and photos without sources. I banned him, naturally, because he couldn't source any of those things.

I suggest you PM Crown and ask him your questions as he is currently fulfilling his conscripted duties as part of the Greek Army. He's had a few choice words to say about that in the Mess.

Many thanks, I'll do that!

Are you sure this isn't the Michael Constantine character from My Big Fat Greek Wedding perchance...?

If only.

How old is the clown you're debating? 15?

Closer to 30, and from the looks of it not much fond of personal hygiene or living on his own.

[Aaron]

Many thanks, I'll do that!

No problem and check your PM's.

[Darth Wong]

Slightly OT, but my favourite Greece wanker/homophobe was the guy who said that Alexander couldn't possibly have been gay because he would have spread the virus among his troops, who would have then spread it to the entirety of Asia because of how far and wide his campaign range was.

[DaveJB]

Slightly OT, but my favourite Greece wanker/homophobe was the guy who said that Alexander couldn't possibly have been gay because he would have spread the virus among his troops, who would have then spread it to the entirety of Asia because of how far and wide his campaign range was.

"Virus?" Was he talking about HIV, or did he really think homosexuality is caused by a virus?

[Big Phil]

My google-fu is especially weak today, and wouldn't you know it, I've run into a Greece wanker. Not just any Greece wanker, but a wanker of modern Greece, if you can imagine such a thing. The user has made claims to the effect that:

• The modern Greek army does not admit homosexuals, and will actually bend someone over and inspect their assholes to see if they are suspect as such.
• Greek pilots are vastly superior to Turkish pilots.
• The Greek Air Force is superior to the Turkish Air Force in terms of equipment and armament.
• The Greek special forces, the OYK, are among the world's best, trained with such fervor that "They can no longer communicate as human beings because now they're machines built for killing."
• The Greek Underwater Demolitions Unit is the world's best, and their reputation as such is due in no small part to the fact that they will not admit "fags".
• His position is rock-solid to the point where he dosen't have to source text or images because he is related to members of the Greek army.

Anyone know if any of this contains even a kernel of truth?

These all sound like the claims of a 30-year old virgin with delusions of mediocrity. Most children stop stop making ludicrous claims once they know better, but some never learn.

[Ariphaos]

Slightly OT, but my favourite Greece wanker/homophobe was the guy who said that Alexander couldn't possibly have been gay because he would have spread the virus among his troops, who would have then spread it to the entirety of Asia because of how far and wide his campaign range was.

I knew a guy (well, I was 16 and he was 15 at the time) who claimed to be a reincarnation of Alexander the Great.

He was also a homophobe of the worst order.

The evidence would not mix in with his reality, it was ... amusing.

[PeZook]

I'm tired of people going "such-and-such country has the best l33t special forcez in t3h world! They're, like, killing machines!"

Nearly all special units are damn good, and due to the very nature of a such a formation, even a poor country can afford to train and equip themselves a good special formation. It means precisely dick when it comes to quality of the regular army.

Sure, you can compare such formations between countries, and some are better than others, but it seems that I hear every other day how some small pissant country has the best operators in the world. Hooah. Yeah, so awesome.

[loomer]

I'm tired of people going "such-and-such country has the best l33t special forcez in t3h world! They're, like, killing machines!"
Sure, you can compare such formations between countries, and some are better than others, but it seems that I hear every other day how some small pissant country has the best operators in the world. Hooah. Yeah, so awesome.

On that note, I hate people who jerk off to battles that heavily favoured the defenders and were won. The ones who claim that they're tactical masterminds because they were able to get a 3:1 kill ratio. For an example, I know a guy, who when presented with a fictional battle in Russia in which 200 Russian soldiers held off 530 Germans for a week, despite being well fed, dressed in warm clothing, and holding a fortified defensive line. The germans in this are those hungry, frostbitten bastards. He will go on and on about how that was true tactical genius.

[PeZook]

And getting back to the topic, his arguments are trivially easy to shoot down. Observe.

His claim is that a mechanism exists in which the following is true:
army that does not permit homosexuals = a very good army. He cites the Greek army as an example.

Therefore, it follows that any army which does permit homosexuals to join should be a worse formation than the one which doesn't.

What destroys this line of thinking? Two simple examples:
1. The US Army, which is the most powerful military force on the planet. They allow gays to serve (if under some rules) and could destroy Greece effortlessly.
2. Ancient Sparta, whose soldiers were of superior morale and training to other Greek cities (and,arguably, everyone else), and yet fucked each other up the ass all the time. Yet, they were considered very good soldiers even by empires which were much less gay-ish, like Rome.

In essence, he's oversimplifying things immensely, ignoring at least a dozen factors which influence an army's quality, and harping on a single pointless one. Basically, he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

[Lord of the Abyss]

[*]The Greek special forces, the OYK, are among the world's best, trained with such fervor that "They can no longer communicate as human beings because now they're machines built for killing."

I like this one. If they can't "communicate as human beings", how are they among the world's best soldiers ? I'd think that would make them rather bad soldiers.

Commander : "Have you achieved the objective ?'

OYK soldier : "Urg."

[Aaron]

[*]The Greek special forces, the OYK, are among the world's best, trained with such fervor that "They can no longer communicate as human beings because now they're machines built for killing."

This one's really stupid. If they couldn't function in society they'd be killing their wives and girlfriends and going on killing sprees while on leave. Yet we've heard precisely dick about it in the news.

[PeZook]

This one's really stupid. If they couldn't function in society they'd be killing their wives and girlfriends and going on killing sprees while on leave. Yet we've heard precisely dick about it in the news.

No, no no! You're getting it all wrong!

Clearly, the Greek government is keeping them in secluded monastic-like organizations, where they spend their days praying and training for the future when the Greeks will unleash them on the unsuspecting Turks! Their chaplains will whip them into a total frenzy and they will cut through the godless gay-loving Arabs with the might of their incredible manliness! They are monsters barely kept sane by mind-altering drugs and their total devotion to god! They are just that totally fucking awesomely badass! And manly! No goddamned fags there! Why would they need things like "leave" or "girlfriends"?

Because it's impossible for them to be well-trained, agressive and competent individuals. Like all other special units. No sir, for a special unit to be truly badass, they need to be mindless killing machines who even lost their ability to speak coherently!

[TithonusSyndrome]

I long since banned the greasy shithead after he started ranting about how my every response to him was an ad hominem, just because I shot down his images for being unsourced. You have no idea just how ignorant he was, one of the bigger whoppers I've personally encountered in a long time. Useless fucker makes me wonder what kind of a place modern Greece is to live.

[PeZook]

I long since banned the greasy shithead after he started ranting about how my every response to him was an ad hominem, just because I shot down his images for being unsourced. You have no idea just how ignorant he was, one of the bigger whoppers I've personally encountered in a long time. Useless fucker makes me wonder what kind of a place modern Greece is to live.

Pretty decent, I suppose. Their HDI and economic output is relatively high, they're certainly no third world country.

There are lots of cretins everywhere,don't worry. I've met somebody almost exactly the same as your guy where I live, in Poland. Self-proclaimed military expert making all sorts of idiotic claims. Did you know that in Panama, the US Delta Force lost two thousand operators in stupid operations?

Yeah, I didn't either. Ignorant fanboys are dime-a-dozen.

[Ritterin Sophia]

There are lots of cretins everywhere,don't worry. I've met somebody almost exactly the same as your guy where I live, in Poland. Self-proclaimed military expert making all sorts of idiotic claims. Did you know that in Panama, the US Delta Force lost two thousand operators in stupid operations?

The US does not lose Delta Force operatives, every time a Delta Force operative get's shot in a way that would clearly kill a normal man, he simply realizes how awesome he truely is and decides it's not fair to pick on people, and is then reincarnated as a bald eagle!

[General Soontir Fel]

There are lots of cretins everywhere,don't worry. I've met somebody almost exactly the same as your guy where I live, in Poland. Self-proclaimed military expert making all sorts of idiotic claims. Did you know that in Panama, the US Delta Force lost two thousand operators in stupid operations?

I didn't know the Delta Force had two thousand operators. I thought they were a lot smaller.

[Adrian Laguna]

2. Ancient Sparta, whose soldiers were of superior morale and training to other Greek cities (and,arguably, everyone else), and yet fucked each other up the ass all the time. Yet, they were considered very good soldiers even by empires which were much less gay-ish, like Rome.

Nit-pick, ancient Greeks did not fuck each other up the ass. Instead, they lubed-up their partner's thighs with oil and... you can guess from here.

[Lord of the Abyss]

This one's really stupid. If they couldn't function in society they'd be killing their wives and girlfriends and going on killing sprees while on leave. Yet we've heard precisely dick about it in the news.

No, no no! You're getting it all wrong!

Clearly, the Greek government is keeping them in secluded monastic-like organizations, where they spend their days praying and training for the future when the Greeks will unleash them on the unsuspecting Turks! Their chaplains will whip them into a total frenzy and they will cut through the godless gay-loving Arabs with the might of their incredible manliness! They are monsters barely kept sane by mind-altering drugs and their total devotion to god! They are just that totally fucking awesomely badass! And manly! No goddamned fags there! Why would they need things like "leave" or "girlfriends"?

Because it's impossible for them to be well-trained, agressive and competent individuals. Like all other special units. No sir, for a special unit to be truly badass, they need to be mindless killing machines who even lost their ability to speak coherently!

No, no, you're getting it wrong ! Remember in the second playthrough of Resident Evil 2 when Umbrella dropped those pods from helicopters and let loose those big scary mutant guys in trenchcoats, the ones that smashed through walls ? Greek OYK soldiers, on loan to Umbrella. The Greeks keep 'em in those pods until they need to use them.

[PeZook]

There are lots of cretins everywhere,don't worry. I've met somebody almost exactly the same as your guy where I live, in Poland. Self-proclaimed military expert making all sorts of idiotic claims. Did you know that in Panama, the US Delta Force lost two thousand operators in stupid operations?

I didn't know the Delta Force had two thousand operators. I thought they were a lot smaller.

Yeah, that's kinda my point

[loomer]

2. Ancient Sparta, whose soldiers were of superior morale and training to other Greek cities (and,arguably, everyone else), and yet fucked each other up the ass all the time. Yet, they were considered very good soldiers even by empires which were much less gay-ish, like Rome.

Nit-pick, ancient Greeks did not fuck each other up the ass. Instead, they lubed-up their partner's thighs with oil and... you can guess from here.

I'd say it's not too far of a leap to suppose that maybe, just maybe, the odd couple 'accidentally' aimed a little too high now and then.