Technology supression by fundies?

Sektor31 · Post by **Sektor31** » 2003-01-21 06:05pm

Would it be possible if fundies try to supress the development of technology, lets say FTL drives, because they go against their beliefs?

Such as if sentient life other than our own existed, and they were actually older than the human race and knew our history, and would say that God doesn't exist, would the fundies try to supress the development of FTL just because of this?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-21 06:09pm

They are willing to comit genocided to hold true to their beliefs, somthing tiny like supressing Techogoly would hardly be a blip on their moraility radar, Hell they did it for thousands of years already and they do it today with a varity of things(Most noticably, cloning)

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-21 06:18pm

atleast the Raelians are better then fundies; instead of hating technology because it could ruin their religious "proof", they hail it as that very proof!

if ET comes tomorrow, the Raelians will be the first to illegally create FTL ships and such if the technology is banned.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 06:42pm

Fundies are already trying to suppress biotechnology and cloning technology because of their beliefs. This is not a hypothetical scenario; it is a fact.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-21 06:43pm

Where do you think we'd be today if the Amish were in charge?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-21 06:46pm

Look at the Dark Ages; shortly after the fall of western Rome up until the midpoint/endtime of the Crusades. Complete domination of Western Europe by the Catholic Church. Compare to the Byzatine Empire, the Russian empire, and the Islamic empires of the time.

The Catholic Church oppressed all science and thinking because of it's psychotic fear of so-called 'heretical' beliefs- that is, anything which undermined their power or even questioned Biblical literacy. Up until the late 1200's and 1300's Western Europe mainly stagnated, until after the Crusades, when new ideas were brought back, the Church's power began to loosen, and new intellectual movements began to take shape and form.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 06:46pm

It should also be noted that they oppose sex education and the teaching of biology, which is inextricably intertwined with evolution theory. Many of them also oppose geology, astrophysics, and cosmology, although they freely quote from one when they feel it is useful to attack another

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-01-21 06:49pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:Where do you think we'd be today if the Amish were in charge?

That brings up another question: In the 23rd century, will the Amish be watching TV and driving Thunderbirds?

Anyway, fundies have supressed technology they dismissed as "blasphemous" in the past, and still do today, with technologies like cloning, as stated.

Sektor31 · Post by **Sektor31** » 2003-01-21 07:16pm

I read somewhere that the Amish way of life is on the verge of disappearing. Roughly estimated 70% of all Amish children are converting to the modern way of life.

So no worries there.

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-01-21 07:43pm

Well, if there's no good reason to hold a particular belief (don't know, a reason like ignorance maybe!?), exposition to the world will do the trick to turn children to a modern approach of things (Internet porn, high-school violence, obsessive gamers... all nice, modern things).

rant mode=ON

On the Raël subject, he (Raël, Claude Vorilhon) is worst than most fundies. My opinion is based on the fact that the guy takes science, and shrouds it in pseudo-science and magic-thinking. He butchers Science when he see fit (saying that humans were created 25,000 years ago), and it all comes down to a simple observation:

Claude Vorilhon is a control-freak, sex-crazed frenchman!

Those Frenchs, they did us same thing when They sent us Luc Jouvet (the guru of the OTS sect: many deads by suicide-murder )...

rant mode=OFF

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-21 07:49pm

(Internet porn, high-school violence, obsessive gamers... all nice, modern things).

Find me an evil man

And I'll show you somone who was never exposed to any of that!

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-01-21 07:57pm

Sektor31 wrote:Would it be possible if fundies try to supress the development of technology, lets say FTL drives, because they go against their beliefs?

Look at the American position on stem cell research and you'll find your answer.

russellb6666 · Post by **russellb6666** » 2003-01-21 09:25pm

rant on/ You now I wonder just what THE FRIED FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH PEOPLE I mean fuck how the fuck can people be so fucking stupid to ban something that potentially could save their fucking lives, just because some dildo wrote something in some old piece of crap of a book I mean for all we know the bible could just be a scifi story somebody wrote 5000 years ago after one too many hits of acid or whatever they had back then./rant off It just boggles my mind that people can base their ENTIRE FUCKING LIVES around something some random buttwipe wrote a really figgin long time ago. soory if this is off topic but CHRIST fundies piss me off.

Slacker · Post by **Slacker** » 2003-01-21 11:12pm

Sektor31 wrote:I read somewhere that the Amish way of life is on the verge of disappearing. Roughly estimated 70% of all Amish children are converting to the modern way of life.

So no worries there.

Well, the Amish aren't too bad. They're polite, they don't "push" their beliefs on you, and they make amusing overpriced "kitch" items like rugs and knick-knacks.

Scientology, on the other hand, is a curse that must be purged from this earth with absolute prejudice at the earliest opportunity.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-22 09:18am

While fundies will ALWAYS oppose technology, I think their days of downright stopping its progress are dwindling. It's nice to live in a world where anyone can play Dr. Frankenstein, and damn and hell the fundies and their high-up government connections.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 09:21am

Fundies would sooner shut my University down even if it were researching into curing diseases because, say it with me, TECHNOLOGY IS BAAAAD!

God didn't use tech, why should we?

Of course, if God didn't want us to use these technologies and so on, he wouldn't have given us brains.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-22 09:25am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Fundies would sooner shut my University down even if it were researching into curing diseases because, say it with me, TECHNOLOGY IS BAAAAD! God didn't use tech, why should we?

There are types like that, but they're rare. People who insist on avoiding medicine because 'God heals the faithful'...makes you just want to inject them with something nasty and hand them a Bible.

I remember one lady at a formal function asking me if I ever prayed as part of my research. PRAYED??? When I asked, she said that "obviously, God alone holds knowledge of the universe", so why wouldn't I ask him for guidance first? What the FUCK would God care about arthritis in PIGS?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 09:30am

Lagmonster wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Fundies would sooner shut my University down even if it were researching into curing diseases because, say it with me, TECHNOLOGY IS BAAAAD! God didn't use tech, why should we?
There are types like that, but they're rare. People who insist on avoiding medicine because 'God heals the faithful'...makes you just want to inject them with something nasty and hand them a Bible.

I remember one lady at a formal function asking me if I ever prayed as part of my research. PRAYED??? When I asked, she said that "obviously, God alone holds knowledge of the universe", so why wouldn't I ask him for guidance first? What the FUCK would God care about arthritis in PIGS?

Interesting. Should I a) pray to an impossible concept of discipline in the sky created by the subconcious of humans many millenia ago to deal with the unknown or b) read Campbell and Reece Biology Sixth edition and use Encyclopaedia Brittanica?

*Ponders*

A single pair of hands at work achieves more than a million hands clasped in prayer.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-01-22 09:37am

Enricko wrote: Claude Vorilhon is a control-freak, sex-crazed frenchman!

[just kidding] Sex-crazed.... by french standards?? [/just kidding]

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-22 10:04am

Which just shows how hypocritical and scared Fundies are. After all, Mankind has already tasted the fruit of the Tree Of Knowledge, according to those whackjobs. This has two possible outcomes: 1) We can already know everything, so there's no reason to not learn, or, 2) Since all the Tree Of Knowledge taught was Good and Evil, everything we've learned since is stuff God didn't know.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-22 10:18am

SirNitram wrote:Which just shows how hypocritical and scared Fundies are. After all, Mankind has already tasted the fruit of the Tree Of Knowledge, according to those whackjobs. This has two possible outcomes: 1) We can already know everything, so there's no reason to not learn, or, 2) Since all the Tree Of Knowledge taught was Good and Evil, everything we've learned since is stuff God didn't know.

What I hear as the prevailing argument from fundies (specifically, in this case, non-specific Bible study dicks who come round once every so often, usually while I'm trying to sleep) is that in Eden, God gave mankind all the knowledge we were SUPPOSED to have to be happy, namely, 'worship God, eat, sleep, and be innocent of evil'. And everything we've learned since Eden is either 1) knowledge that increases the amount of or potential for evil on earth or 2) knowledge that we need to survive since the world since the world is now full of evil.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 10:21am

Lagmonster wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Which just shows how hypocritical and scared Fundies are. After all, Mankind has already tasted the fruit of the Tree Of Knowledge, according to those whackjobs. This has two possible outcomes: 1) We can already know everything, so there's no reason to not learn, or, 2) Since all the Tree Of Knowledge taught was Good and Evil, everything we've learned since is stuff God didn't know.
What I hear as the prevailing argument from fundies (specifically, in this case, non-specific Bible study dicks who come round once every so often, usually while I'm trying to sleep) is that in Eden, God gave mankind all the knowledge we were SUPPOSED to have to be happy, namely, 'worship God, eat, sleep, and be innocent of evil'. And everything we've learned since Eden is either 1) knowledge that increases the amount of or potential for evil on earth or 2) knowledge that we need to survive since the world since the world is now full of evil.

And to that I say a firm bollocks and now have another excuse to ignore Fundies.

I wonder how many of them would mind if we told them that God didn't give us the info on making a computer or the Net for them to chat on ignorantly.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-01-22 11:32am

Sektor31 wrote:Would it be possible if fundies try to supress the development of technology, lets say FTL drives, because they go against their beliefs?

Spreading the word of Jesus at FTL speeds is a fundie wet dream

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-22 11:53am

Zoink wrote:
Sektor31 wrote:Would it be possible if fundies try to supress the development of technology, lets say FTL drives, because they go against their beliefs?
Spreading the word of Jesus at FTL speeds is a fundie wet dream

Mother of hell, yeah. If we ever get to a 'Contact' situation, where the representative chosen to go off and meet aliens on behalf of humanity is selected based on, among other criteria, whether they believe in God or not...I will fucking be the guy with the explosives on the giant government wormhole device of really big spinning-ness.

No alien culture deserves exposure to fundies:

Fundies: "Hello! We bring you guilt, syphillis and alchohol! Have a free Bible!"
Aliens: "........."
Fundies: "Have you found Jesus?"
Aliens: "Glerk schnock snak" ("Somebody set up us the bomb")

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-01-22 12:02pm

Dude, fundies don't think normally. That would never cross their minds.

That, and they'd be too busy praying to pilot their ship and they'd crash off somewheres, hopefully a world like Salusa Secundus...

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