An interesting Adoption and Genetic research topic.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-01-22 04:24pm

I waws thinking about abortions and adoptions and a thought came to my head. Imagine if adopted children (unwanted or not) could be genetically altered to look like the adopting parents, and even change the DNA (genetic code) to a combination of both parents (as if they had the child themselves). Perhaps even erase the existence of the kid's previous life, and implant new memories.

This is a story concept of a possible (bad) future that I thought up today.

Imagine what type of world that would be, What type of ethical problems would there be besides the obvious. Or anything else I can't think of.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 04:28pm

Not only is it unethical, it's also impossible.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-22 04:30pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:Imagine what type of world that would be, What type of ethical problems would there be besides the obvious. Or anything else I can't think of.

It would be terrible, but not a crapload worse than what kids endure in bad parts of the world today. An adopted kid changed to think he was his adopted parents' natural kid and with a host of happy childhood memories programmed in...is he better or worse off than a kid from Somalia who was found crying by fundie missionaries next to the machete-slashed body of his mother?

I think the technology is good, not what you are proposing what we do with it. And as for what you're proposing we do with it, it's bad, just a different kind of bad.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-22 04:31pm

Assuming you have the majiko tech to do this, once you are after a few cells there is no way of doing that. Also if you erase someone's memories, thats murder...

Children != Property

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-22 04:32pm

NecronLord wrote:Also if you erase someone's memories, thats murder...

Just to put a foot on your statement: If you get whacked in the head by a baseball bat and develop long-term amnesia, did the guy who whacked you murder you?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 04:36pm

NecronLord wrote:Assuming you have the majiko tech to do this, once you are after a few cells there is no way of doing that. Also if you erase someone's memories, thats murder...

Children != Property

Try reading adoption contracts....you might be really suprised as regards your last bit....trust me I know....

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-01-22 04:39pm

Lagmonster wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:Imagine what type of world that would be, What type of ethical problems would there be besides the obvious. Or anything else I can't think of.

It would be terrible, but not a crapload worse than what kids endure in bad parts of the world today. An adopted kid changed to think he was his adopted parents' natural kid and with a host of happy childhood memories programmed in...is he better or worse off than a kid from Somalia who was found crying by fundie missionaries next to the machete-slashed body of his mother?

Agreed, it would be terrible, and the question you brought up

I think the technology is good, not what you are proposing what we do with it. And as for what you're proposing we do with it, it's bad, just a different kind of bad.

I agree, but I think you missread me, I don't agree with it either it barbaric and disgusting, It's a Sci Fi story concept I came up with today. I just wanted to see what moral implications this would have (beside the obvious) and where in the hell would this world would be going if that happens.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-22 04:44pm

Lagmonster wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Also if you erase someone's memories, thats murder...
Just to put a foot on your statement: If you get whacked in the head by a baseball bat and develop long-term amnesia, did the guy who whacked you murder you?

If the sentience that was me no longer existed then yes. Unless you believe in a soul.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-01-22 04:44pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Not only is it unethical, it's also impossible.

I know that, Remember this is a Sci Fi concept I came up with. But imagine if the know how existed. I t would have to be secret of course. VERY SECRET.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-01-22 04:47pm

NecronLord wrote:
Lagmonster wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Also if you erase someone's memories, thats murder...
Just to put a foot on your statement: If you get whacked in the head by a baseball bat and develop long-term amnesia, did the guy who whacked you murder you?
If the sentience that was me no longer existed then yes. Unless you believe in a soul.

But I would think fragment of their previous life would exist. I wouldn't think you can completely erase someone's memory, without some sort of fragments.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-22 04:55pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Lagmonster wrote: Just to put a foot on your statement: If you get whacked in the head by a baseball bat and develop long-term amnesia, did the guy who whacked you murder you?
If the sentience that was me no longer existed then yes. Unless you believe in a soul.
But I would think fragment of their previous life would exist. I wouldn't think you can completely erase someone's memory, without some sort of fragments.

Thats up to you as the writer.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 04:59pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Not only is it unethical, it's also impossible.
I know that, Remember this is a Sci Fi concept I came up with. But imagine if the know how existed. I t would have to be secret of course. VERY SECRET.

Hmm, then what's to stop some group using this to make their own brainwashed in-duh-vidual army? We could have a Neo-Nazi league emerging. And I hate Nazis.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 05:14pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Not only is it unethical, it's also impossible.
I know that, Remember this is a Sci Fi concept I came up with. But imagine if the know how existed. I t would have to be secret of course. VERY SECRET.
Hmm, then what's to stop some group using this to make their own brainwashed in-duh-vidual army? We could have a Neo-Nazi league emerging. And I hate Nazis.

Illinois ones?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 05:18pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:I know that, Remember this is a Sci Fi concept I came up with. But imagine if the know how existed. I t would have to be secret of course. VERY SECRET.
Hmm, then what's to stop some group using this to make their own brainwashed in-duh-vidual army? We could have a Neo-Nazi league emerging. And I hate Nazis.
Illinois ones?

Any, but the stupid ones annoy the most. Uh, scratch that. They ALL do then.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 05:29pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote: Hmm, then what's to stop some group using this to make their own brainwashed in-duh-vidual army? We could have a Neo-Nazi league emerging. And I hate Nazis.
Illinois ones?
Any, but the stupid ones annoy the most. Uh, scratch that. They ALL do then.

*sighs softly at the missed blues brothers refrence*

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 06:46pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote: Illinois ones?
Any, but the stupid ones annoy the most. Uh, scratch that. They ALL do then.
*sighs softly at the missed blues brothers refrence*

Ah, I haven't seen that class film in years, but they are also somewhat funny.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-01-23 03:55pm

Any other opinions??

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