Project Prometheus is go!

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-22 08:13pm

Its confirmed, Nuclear Mars is REAL and is a GO!

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology ... 30117.html

Finally, President Bush does something I can be proud of

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-22 08:15pm

I like that pic of Darth Vader holding a sign NO NUKES IN SPACE. Something about that pic makes me laugh.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-22 08:51pm

YES! Mission to Mars!

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-22 08:56pm

And isn't the mars landing supposed to be done by 2010 or something?

Everyone, let's sit back and watch the future roll in

Now if we could only do something about those anti-nuclear protestors

*Preps orbital cannon to "dust" the protestors*

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-22 09:04pm

Now if we could only do something about those anti-nuclear protestors

Leave that to me.

*disseminates bogus messages to anti-nuke protesters and prepares several demolition charges*

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-22 09:08pm

Well, we have to put the nukes somewhere...

Would all the protestors stand a little to the left? Over the big red X? Right. Thanks.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-01-22 09:19pm

I thought I read a rumor somewhere that Bush is a babylon 5 fan. Either way I'm glad that they're doing this.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-22 09:27pm

I thought I read a rumor somewhere that Bush is a babylon 5 fan.

With JMS being an atheist, and the subtle anti-religion connotations in that show, I don't think so. After all, it's just a rumor.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-01-22 09:36pm

jaeger115 wrote:
I thought I read a rumor somewhere that Bush is a babylon 5 fan.
With JMS being an atheist, and the subtle anti-religion connotations in that show, I don't think so. After all, it's just a rumor.

The keywords being "subtle", we are talking about W here.

I've seen religous people all but praise JMS for being so respectful of religion on B5 even though he's an atheist. I don't think they got how much he was also dogging on religion though.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-22 09:41pm

Of course not...given that most of their life they've been brainwashed...I bet that whole Vorlon being an Angel thing was a highpoint to them.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-23 12:46am

you know what i find stupidest about antispace nuke people?

MORE URANIUM AND PLUTONIUM HAS BEEN BLASTING INTO THE ATMOSPHERE IN EVERY NUCLEAR BOMB TEST THEN THE REACTOR CONTAINS!!!!!!!!!

Those people ASTOUND me! the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs contained more fissile material then the reactors they put into space! And those are single BOMBS!

Can you believe they tried to kill the cassini mission? that had less then 2 GRAMS of plutonium if my estimates are correct. Any given nuke contains atleast one KILOGRAM. Somehow I doubt that a falling cassini will do more damage then a nuclear bomb.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-23 02:40am

I think the stupidest thing about no-nukes-in-space-protestors is that they don't know just how radioactive the sun is....

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-01-23 04:38am

[sign]Mars or bust[/sign]

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-23 04:54am

"NASA's embrace of space nuclear power has stirred up controversy in the past, and will do so in the future.

The Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space, based in Gainesville, Florida, has been particularly vocal in this regard.

The group has campaigned against the launch of Galileo and Cassini missions in past years. A "No Nukes in Space Protest Vigil" is slated in early February, outside a symposium on nuclear space power to be held in Albuquerque, New Mexico."

Bunch of fucktards. What would they LIKE to propel our ships with? Fucken tofu or something?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-23 06:03am

Always a good sign, now that NASA doesn't seem to be getting slaughtered by the appointed bean counter they had there, maybe ESA and the Chinese will push forward their plans too.

Gentlemen, a new space race may emerge and help our stagnant space industry.

P.S.

The no-nuke protesters should be dealt with biological weapons. Ah, not nukes so can't complain.

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2003-01-23 06:50am

Ummm...not to rain on anyone's party, but there's nothing in the article that overtly says that the manned Mars landing is going to happen, merely the go-ahead for development of nuclear propulsion. However, NASA and ESA etc have more or less been quietly preparing for long-duration space flights...what do you think the ISS is actually for? I've heard a speech by Dan Goldin a few years back where he actually mentions NASA preparing for a manned Mars mission, so I think Prometeus is just another step in that quiet preparation.

Anything definite on something as momentous as this would have to come from the mouth of George W. himself, here's to hoping that his speech on the 28th will actually have him commiting the US to the effort.

BTW, anyone else noticed that you will need nuke reactors to power space-based lasers? I'm pretty sure that it's at least part of the reason for Prometheus.

Messon · Post by **Messon** » 2003-01-23 07:36am

kojikun wrote:you know what i find stupidest about antispace nuke people?

MORE URANIUM AND PLUTONIUM HAS BEEN BLASTING INTO THE ATMOSPHERE IN EVERY NUCLEAR BOMB TEST THEN THE REACTOR CONTAINS!!!!!!!!!

Those people ASTOUND me! the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs contained more fissile material then the reactors they put into space! And those are single BOMBS!

Can you believe they tried to kill the cassini mission? that had less then 2 GRAMS of plutonium if my estimates are correct. Any given nuke contains atleast one KILOGRAM. Somehow I doubt that a falling cassini will do more damage then a nuclear bomb.

Cassini is carrying 72 pounds of plutonium. There is a difference between a nuclear blast going off in one location and radioactive material being dispersed all over the world. A single particle of inhailed plutonium could cause some serious internal damage.

Keep in mind, I am not arguing for no nukes in space, I just wanted to point out that the people who don't want nukes in space have good reasons.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-01-23 10:22am

Messon wrote:Keep in mind, I am not arguing for no nukes in space, I just wanted to point out that the people who don't want nukes in space have good reasons.

Yeah, it's that damn "Nuclear power=nuclear bomb" knee-jerk reaction fallacy that plagues so many simpletons in the world today.
Of course like all things, nuclear power cannot be 100% safe (*coughcommunistrussiacough*), but almost all of these protestors are under the assumption that all nuclear powerplants will detonate like 20KT bombs and that 'radiation is evil' (I actually had a kid in my Philosophy class essentially say that. I replied "If that's true, so are lightbulbs." What a clod.). They don't structure their arguments much more than that.

Oddity · Post by **Oddity** » 2003-01-23 11:16am

kojikun wrote:Its confirmed, Nuclear Mars is REAL and is a GO!

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology ... 30117.html

Finally, President Bush does something I can be proud of

YES!

Now with the Chinese going for the Moon, this will hopefully provoke a new space race ...

Let's just hope NASA doesn’t have an accident with a plutonium-carrying rocket.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-23 11:30am

Let's just hope NASA doesn’t have an accident with a plutonium-carrying rocket.

Compared to the amounts of fissile material in a nuclear bomb I somehow suspect that deorbitting a NERVA rocket and burning the uranium fuel in the atmosphere wouldn't compare. Tho I could be wrong, because the reactor must sustain a temperature of atleast 2500 degrees (nearer to 3000) and thats with a good distance between the fuel rods. If you concentrated all the uranium you might indeed get an explosion. But it would still be nothing compared to the thousands of nukes we've detonated here on earth.

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2003-01-23 02:32pm

kojikun wrote:
Let's just hope NASA doesn’t have an accident with a plutonium-carrying rocket.
Compared to the amounts of fissile material in a nuclear bomb I somehow suspect that deorbitting a NERVA rocket and burning the uranium fuel in the atmosphere wouldn't compare. Tho I could be wrong, because the reactor must sustain a temperature of atleast 2500 degrees (nearer to 3000) and thats with a good distance between the fuel rods. If you concentrated all the uranium you might indeed get an explosion. But it would still be nothing compared to the thousands of nukes we've detonated here on earth.

Ummm...there's no way in hell that anything other than a meticulously designed nuclear warhead will ever achieve a nuclear detonation. The concern is that if screwups happen and the spacecraft re-enters and burns up, the radioactive material might end up getting strewn over the entire footprint of its trajectory.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-23 02:38pm

Shinova wrote:Now if we could only do something about those anti-nuclear protestors

(Entering Idiot Mode)No nukes! When will the world realize that all we need is a 40 inch thick steel cable the length of the greatest distance between Earth and Mars, and a Giant Orbital Crossbow???(Exiting Idiot Mode)

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-23 03:30pm

Ummm...there's no way in hell that anything other than a meticulously designed nuclear warhead will ever achieve a nuclear detonation. The concern is that if screwups happen and the spacecraft re-enters and burns up, the radioactive material might end up getting strewn over the entire footprint of its trajectory.

Yeah, but it doesnt matter if you spread all that radioactive dust across say.. the US, because each nuclear bomb test put more into the atmosphere then the reactor could ever hope to

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-01-23 03:37pm

Crazy Ivan wrote:
kojikun wrote:Its confirmed, Nuclear Mars is REAL and is a GO!

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology ... 30117.html

Finally, President Bush does something I can be proud of
YES!

Now with the Chinese going for the Moon, this will hopefully provoke a new space race ...

Give the chinese time to send there first if i remember the word they used taikonaut in orbit.
hope i got it right

Let's just hope NASA doesn’t have an accident with a plutonium-carrying rocket.

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