The Creationist are Coming! What Should I Do?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-23 10:28pm

A local church has been advertising on my campus their upcoming Creation vs Evolution seminar. It is being held Friday through Sunday, and is open to the public. The schedule is as follows:

Friday Evening
7:00: The Christian/Evolution Controversy: The Case for a Creator

Saturday
1:00: Creation or Evolution: Which?
2:00: Questions and Answers Forum
3:00: Free Refreshments
3:30: Creation vs Evolution Which?

Sunday
Doesn't really matter because I will be out of town because of Air Force committments

Well, should I go see for myself what the creation lobby is up to? If I go, do you have any advice as to what to say, or questions I could ask to show just how much they are fucking idiots? Do you think anyone would be foolish enough to take the Mark 16:18 challenge if offered?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-01-23 10:30pm

Free food and idiot smackdown? Sounds good to me.

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-01-23 10:32pm

Uh, buy Darth Wong a plane ticket and pick him at the airport?

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-23 10:34pm

Go ahead and go, just don't be surprised if it's mostly fundies. I wouldn't try to "win" any debates, just present a few facts and go on with life. Those who are intelligent will seek out the answers on their own once the questions are asked.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-23 10:35pm

A church isn't the most public forum. Let's see how long it takes for you to get kicked out.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-23 10:36pm

Arrow Mk84 wrote:Uh, buy Darth Wong a plane ticket and pick him at the airport?

I looked into that. Round trip airfare on Delta from YYZ to SHV arriving Jan 24 and departing on the 27th is $2,700 Canadian dollars. That is quite beyond my budget.

neoolong wrote:A church isn't the most public forum. Let's see how long it takes for you to get kicked out.

I don't know, they might want to "convert the hethen"

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-01-23 10:41pm

1) Find the coordinates of the building and enter them into NORAD's database as an exercise area being used by allied troops.

2) Stay the fuck away when an antiterrorist CAP comes near...

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-23 10:50pm

1) Find the coordinates of the building and enter them into NORAD's database as an exercise area being used by allied troops.

2) Stay the fuck away when an antiterrorist CAP comes near...

Learn to hack first before you do it.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-23 10:55pm

I would debate them... If possible, notify a few of your acknowledable friends (Preferable biologists and geologists) to help

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-23 11:16pm

Raise your hand and ask why no journal has ever published an article on creationism or intelligent design. No doubt, you'll illicit the Gigantic Scientific Conspiracy theory.

Or, if intelligent design comes up, ask how, if it's a valid scientific theory, you are supposed to test its validity.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-23 11:31pm

Go along, eat thier food, drink thier drink and laugh your ass off at them.....I've butted heads with exported fundies here (we dont have many home grown ones but the US seems determined to export them...) and they always leave crying....

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-01-24 12:00am

Be disruptive! Make fart noises during their most "inspired" pronouncements. Drink syrup of ipecac and vomit up their free refreshments, claiming food poisoning, or demonic possesion if you prefer. Then sue them to the fullest extant of the law.

I, for one, am sick unto death of these trogolydites lying, misquoting, and getting away tax-exempt. Fuck debate. Uncivil disobediance now!

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-01-24 12:46am

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Arrow Mk84 wrote:Uh, buy Darth Wong a plane ticket and pick him at the airport?
I looked into that. Round trip airfare on Delta from YYZ to SHV arriving Jan 24 and departing on the 27th is $2,700 Canadian dollars. That is quite beyond my budget.

"

So thats like a buck fifty American right......j/k

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-01-24 12:55am

Just sit there in your chair, and laugh hysterically every time the speaker says something stupid.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-01-24 02:03am

You can laugh only for so long and most creationist have never anything not-incredibly stupid in their lives.

Ewo · Post by **Ewo** » 2003-01-24 02:09am

I am sure you will find something about their argument that is flawed. I mean, we have found evidence of dinosaurs and prehistoric life through fossils and tarpits. Can they deny that or how to they explain that? You will probably have questions. You should post some points they make at the forum, how there cannot be evolution.
You should definately go though. See what happens and how they argue, and how they get to their final conclusion. I bet they are making some huge assumptions along the way. Especially ones pertaining to the bible.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-24 02:11am

Damnit- HECKLE man HECKLE!

This is coming from someone who heckled Jesse Duplantis...

Its easy. Be obtrusive - jump up and shout "Hallelujah Brother!" at inappropriate moments. Do whatever.

GET FRIENDS ALONG. Thats where I fell down, I failed to rally enough support. You want at least a dozen people working a dozen different angles. Then have another two out back stealing all their food.

Next, when it comes to debate time, fucking rip them up. Try and get a few biology and geology professors/lecturers along. It doesn't matter if they don't listen, if they eject you from the hall, you let the next few of your friends take over, while you go and sit out front eating all of the food that you've stolen.

Next - Make sure they get no peace. Do you have a big stereo? Do you know someone who does? Once your arse is parked outside, get some good techno or death metal cranking. Aphex Twin is perfect for this role.

Then, when all else fails, just walk in one last time and tell them that they are just fucking idiots.

Then run away with everything that isn't chained to the ground.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-24 02:22am

Get repetitive and annoying. Bug the hell out of them. Keep repeating:

"WHAT EVIDENCE WOULD IT TAKE TO CONVINCE YOU OF EVOLUTION?"

And when they answer stupid bullshit like "seeing a cow turn into an ape" or whatever, say "THAT'S NOT EVOLUTION. PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK." and repeat the question. If they simply say "there is lots of evidence against evolution", with the usual real or false mystery followed by "how can you explain that", just answer "PROVE THAT IT CAN'T WORK" (technically, a fallacy to ask for proof of a negative, but they do this so often that you might as well try it and wait for the opportunity to mock them if they point it out). And continually repeat the same question: "WHAT EVIDENCE WOULD IT TAKE TO CONVINCE YOU OF EVOLUTION?"

Keep asking the same question over and over, just to piss them off. Because they will never give a real answer, or one that is not based on some horrific strawman distortion of evolution theory.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-24 07:12am

Take a camcorder, discreetly set it up, and show us the results.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-01-24 07:32am

Trying to hide it. Tell whoever complains that you have friends that want to see the videotape, and see whether they'll be converted by it. That way, you can get a choice spot to film them, rather than a spot picked for concealment rather than good viewing

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-01-24 08:12am

I say you should be a heckler at the seminar. Start a debate from the audience. Even if their Walls of Ignorance make it hopeless, at least you get free food. Or, perhaps next time a seminar liek tihs happens, hold an Evolution seminar next to it.

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-01-24 08:20am

I doubt your going to get any of them to change their minds. These folks go to these things to hear themselves talk and to hear their like-minded buddies agree with them. Then they can all sit around and pat themselves on the back for being soooo smart. Its a freaking high school clique without the age limit. And anyone who threatens their self image will be thrown out (and possibly beaten).

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-24 08:28am

Arrow Mk84 wrote:I doubt your going to get any of them to change their minds. These folks go to these things to hear themselves talk and to hear their like-minded buddies agree with them. Then they can all sit around and pat themselves on the back for being soooo smart. Its a freaking high school clique without the age limit. And anyone who threatens their self image will be thrown out (and possibly beaten).

If Wicked Pilot and friends can't take down a few goddamn fundies having a circle wank then I'll fly over and beat the crap out of him myself.

And most likely they'll just get pissy with you.

At the Jesse Duplantis event I was just relegated to an overflow sideroom full of fundies watching him on a CCTV monitor. At that point I gave up and left.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-24 09:19am

Bean's Suggestions
1. Bring Friends
The Most Important thing you can do is to have multiple people backing you up, If you don't have less than three people forget it

2. Get your Pamplets!
Thats right if you can't afford to fly Wong out you CAN afford to print up some pamplets ahead of time or somthing similar at Kinkos, Scoure the net for top ten Creationist flaws or somthing similar(Anyone mind suggestiong some websites?)

Its easy to aurgue a person, its hard to arugue words on a page backed up by multiple people

3. Know your subject
Spend a few good hours reading up on everything ahead of time

4. Heckle Heckle Heckle
When all else fails heckle them

5. Have a Mantra
They've got a stupided Phrase, you get some to, most Creationists belive in Adaptation but not Evolution and explain to the idiots in a catchy phrase that Adaptation is Evolution on the short term or something similar

6. More than anything else... KNOW YOUR ENEMEY!
Are these Intellgent Designers? Young Earths?

Best to bring along everything from Info on Carbon Dating and Half-Life Dating to a nice long page on Occum's Razor(More than anything else, have goodly info on Occum's)

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-24 09:24am

It WON'T be a debate. Trust me, guys. It WON'T. It'll be a series of quotes from the bible followed by some of the traditional creationist 'evidence' (read: lies) and then a prayer session where everyone reaffirms their faith in God.

Like I said. Not a debate. A 'We're Number 1!' chest-beating ceremony.

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