Sneaking into movie theaters

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-01-25 12:22am

Not as deep as most of the topics here, but still a question of morality.

For me, sneaking into the theater and watching a movie is even easier than d/l'ing it off kazaa or something.

Do you think that this is worse than downloading movies/music/whatever, not as bad, neutral, what?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-01-25 12:28am

I'd say it's worse, because you had to pay for a ticket, but didn't, whick is similar to stealing, while downloading it online doesn't require any charge, so you're really not stealing anything, from the way I put it. Others might interpert downloading a movie as stealing something that has already been stolen, however.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-01-25 12:29am

Seggybop wrote:Not as deep as most of the topics here, but still a question of morality.

For me, sneaking into the theater and watching a movie is even easier than d/l'ing it off kazaa or something.

Do you think that this is worse than downloading movies/music/whatever, not as bad, neutral, what?

Well, it's just as much piracy as downloading it off Kaaza. There are some genuinely good indie films / groups that deserve to be paid for their work. So even if it's easier/cheaper for you to do it, it really is immoral. This is the way some people make their money. We can't fault them for that (no matter how tempting it is.)

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-25 01:36am

if you cant pay for it to begin with, theres no harm done. if youre just doing it to be a cheap bastard theres no harm done cause you werent willing to pay for it in the first place and wouldnt have anyway. movies are meant to be enjoyed by people who truly find worth in the movie. those people are willing to pay for it. assholes who dont arent going to make people money anyway and denying a kid a simple pleasure because he doesnt have 15 dollars for a fucking ticket is mean.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-25 01:37am

Downloading from Kazaa and sneaking into a cinema are exactly the same thing.

You're boning everyone in the process. Especially those at the bottom end who work minimum wage at the cinema.

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-01-25 01:57am

weemadando wrote:Downloading from Kazaa and sneaking into a cinema are exactly the same thing.

You're boning everyone in the process. Especially those at the bottom end who work minimum wage at the cinema.

If the dude on minimum wage's so incompetent that he doesn't even check if you have a ticket to get in, doesn't he sort of deserve that?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-25 02:08am

If a lot of people sneak into the theatre and grab all of the good seats before the paying customers get in, fuck 'em. The cheats are assholes. It's unfair to paying ticket-holders to have to share room with cheats.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-25 02:13am

theres not many movies worth wasting money or time to see anyway, mike. lol and the good ones dont get enough viewers. i saw equilibrium and it was EMPTY. there were maybe 10 people total, and that movie kicked so much ass. i guess the whole philosophical debate between emotions versus vulcan stoicism flies right right over peoples heads.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-25 02:17am

kojikun wrote:theres not many movies worth wasting money or time to see anyway, mike. lol and the good ones dont get enough viewers. i saw equilibrium and it was EMPTY. there were maybe 10 people total, and that movie kicked so much ass.

If the theatre is empty, it wouldn't matter. In a full theatre, I'd goddamned well better not see some cheat sitting in the best seat in the house.

i guess the whole philosophical debate between emotions versus vulcan stoicism flies right right over peoples heads.

What philosophical debate. Emotions and logic are not necessarily mutually exclusive; one can be very heated about an issue while still having a completely logical position on it.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-25 03:21am

Don't debate with Kojikun, Mike. It's a trap.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-25 05:07am

For me, sneaking into the theater and watching a movie is even easier than d/l'ing it off kazaa or something.

First of all the avarage minium wager there does not even care, I've watched friends of mine as they gosesteped(All four of them in Perfect Formation) across the Movie theater from one showing of Es 1 to another Ep 1 in full view of half a dozen people inculding the manager who did not even blink nor wonder why these people just came out of the 3:15 Show and walked into the 6:40 Showing....

Sektor31 · Post by **Sektor31** » 2003-01-25 10:52am

This is why I only download movies that I've seen.

In any case, you'd really have to be desperate to sneak into a movie theater, or to download a movie file from the movie start.

Movie file quality sucks too much to be worth the ~24 hours wasted downloading them, and sneaking could get you thrown out in the middle of the movie, probably banned.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-25 11:28am

They're both stealing. You get something you shouldn't have by illegal means.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-25 12:12pm

Not that I'm saying tresspassing is right or anything, but the movie theaters for the most part don't give a fuck about people sneaking in. They make their profits off the overpriced food and drink they sell.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-25 12:15pm

They're both wrong. However, I think that sneaking in is worse because I think there are more associated costs, such as the use of seats, restroom, etc., including the cost that other people have toward them being in the theater if it is especially crowded as a result, that bring it above the cost of simply downloading a movie of the net.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-25 12:50pm

Um, how does one sneak into a movie theater? Just dart past the usher who's on duty? Or does it involve ninja-like reflexes, a lithe, catlike physique, and lots of rope?

Besides, when matinee tickets are only 5.50, I don't much mind paying...

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-25 12:51pm

oh, im not saying emotions and logic are exclusive, not at all, I'm just saying that in the movie they were going philosophical over whether emotions should be completely wiped out or not (which would be the vulcan stoicism)

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-01-25 01:03pm

Not that I'm saying tresspassing is right or anything, but the movie theaters for the most part don't give a fuck about people sneaking in. They make their profits off the overpriced food and drink they sell.

Speaking of stealing, what the fuck are the movie theaters doing when they charge you 5 bucks for a friggin bottle of water?!

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-25 01:09pm

Arrow Mk84 wrote:
Not that I'm saying tresspassing is right or anything, but the movie theaters for the most part don't give a fuck about people sneaking in. They make their profits off the overpriced food and drink they sell.
Speaking of stealing, what the fuck are the movie theaters doing when they charge you 5 bucks for a friggin bottle of water?!

In the movie theater, the theater has a virtual monopoly over all food products, unless you bring in your own. As a result, people who invariably desire food/beverages are forced to pay such a large amount because the theater knows that the viewers really want the products and have no alternative. In other words, the elasticity of demand is fairly low in a monopoly type market.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-25 01:49pm

kojikun wrote:oh, im not saying emotions and logic are exclusive, not at all, I'm just saying that in the movie they were going philosophical over whether emotions should be completely wiped out or not (which would be the vulcan stoicism)

Stop hijacking the thread moron.

There are various levels of stealing. The whole MP3 scene is one, Software Piracy is another and this sneakign into movies is another. Look at how much it costs for a cinema ticket, compare that price (£5.00 in my local Warner Village) to the price of Windows XP. As far as the MP3's go i use them as a try before you buy. If i download something i like i'll buy it (eventually) and if not i'll delete it no harm done. But sneaking into a movie is just being a cheap bastard.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-25 03:17pm

Stop hijacking the thread moron.

I was RESPONDING to Mike, idiot.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-01-25 03:32pm

If I may point out something...

Ticket money goes to the production company. During the first months of the movie, the theater itself receives not a single penny from box office receipts.

Concessions pays the employees. So, when you sneak into a movie, at least buy a drink, candy or popcorn to support that person who is letting you get away with it.

But, on topic, jumping into a movie is worse than d'ling it off the 'net. Mainly because you're irritating paying people as well as getting to see an actual good copy of the movie.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-01-25 03:36pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:Not that I'm saying tresspassing is right or anything, but the movie theaters for the most part don't give a fuck about people sneaking in. They make their profits off the overpriced food and drink they sell.

The theater I worked at cared a hell of a lot about people sneaking in. The movie company like to send someone occasionally to see how well we were doing at keeping underage kids out of R rated movies. If they found any in there we would be fined.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-01-25 03:39pm

neoolong wrote: In the movie theater, the theater has a virtual monopoly over all food products, unless you bring in your own. As a result, people who invariably desire food/beverages are forced to pay such a large amount because the theater knows that the viewers really want the products and have no alternative. In other words, the elasticity of demand is fairly low in a monopoly type market.

As I said...

CONCESSION MONEY ONLY PAYS EMPLOYEES.

American minimum wage is so high, that's why it's $5 for a drink. That pays for one employee to be there for a little over an hour.

just pay the money so you can continue to see a movie in a theater.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-01-25 03:41pm

Arrow Mk84 wrote:
Not that I'm saying tresspassing is right or anything, but the movie theaters for the most part don't give a fuck about people sneaking in. They make their profits off the overpriced food and drink they sell.
Speaking of stealing, what the fuck are the movie theaters doing when they charge you 5 bucks for a friggin bottle of water?!

That's how they make their money. Box office money goes to the production companies, not the theater. The only way they can make a profit is to charge higher prices for food and drink.

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