Creation Museum review

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2007-11-12 08:43pm

A brave individual took it upon himself to see for himself what a massive pile of horseshit is contained within the Creation Museum. If you were expecting massive horseshit, it does not disappoint.

http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=121

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2007-11-12 09:19pm

Logic? What the fuck is logic?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2007-11-12 09:58pm

Holy shit! It's so simple! Why do our best and brightest not see it?

Kanastrous · Post by **Kanastrous** » 2007-11-12 10:07pm

^ actually, I think the logic is sound...it's just the premise from which the logic proceeds, that's total bullshit.

Someone with a proper understanding of the use of logic, tell me if I have that right, or not...

Spin Echo · Post by **Spin Echo** » 2007-11-12 10:07pm

Superman wrote:Holy shit! It's so simple! Why do our best and brightest not see it?

For some reason, this reminds me of the study that was performed that showed people were more likely to trust gossip than their own direct observations that contradicted that gossip.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-11-12 10:08pm

Superman wrote:Holy shit! It's so simple! Why do our best and brightest not see it?

Don't worry, he's mocking those closed-minded scientists... see?

Kanastrous · Post by **Kanastrous** » 2007-11-12 10:33pm

I *knew* that garbage looked familiar...

...this is how it struck me, first time I heard about it...

Velociraptors in the Garden
May. 11th, 2007 | 04:13 pm

So CNN aired a piece on a creationist who's gone and created himself a big spanking-new Museum of Creationism, complete with a 'Garden of Eden' setup wherein dummy Adam-and-Eve cavepeople share an idyllic diorama with life-size Universal-Backlot-grade snarling, snapping animatronic velociraptors.*

So there you have it, folks. Buck-naked and unarmed, Adam and Eve shared the Garden of Eden with roving packs of giant meat-crazy killer lizards. It kind of puts a fresh perspective on the whole banishment-from-paradise story. Setting toil-for-your-bread and endure-pain-in-childbirth against playing the Naked Prey for peckish velociraptors, I'm betting great-to-the-nth grandma and grandpa were practically clawing at the East Gate, already.

*well, really, they're more like dinonychi; velociraptors were only about two feet tall, and therefore not quite so terrifying as Steven Spielberg would have us believe.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2007-11-12 11:10pm

I am so tired of this brand of low-brow retard Christianity. For fuck's sake, look at that hokey sign; "since we have discovered thorns..." These asshole fuckheads have such a goddmaned inferiority complex; they try to make all of their bullshit look legitimate, but they can't even do that! I could write up a better tagline than this!

The IQ of the average fundie has got to be much lower than the average person. These people are flat out stoo-pid. They believe a snake talked to Eve, God put a tree in a big garden, and Noah built an ark... so hmm, let's see... are they mentally more like adults, or are they more like children? There's a thinker. I just wish society would stop pretending believing this crap is somehow reasonable and recognize it as the mental disorder that it is. Talking to Jesus is different than talking to Napoleon how exactly?

I can't take it anymore.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2007-11-12 11:22pm

And goddamnit, I'm not done!

So what kind of god puts 2 naked morons into a big garden with a big tree, and then says, "don't touch it!?" And to make matters worse, he knew what was going to happen! He basically set up this whole situation so that humans would be cursed with this 'original sin' crap. If he knows the future, then he set it up. Just like he creates people knowing full well they will eventually go to hell. That's an all loving god? An all loving god sends his "son," or himself, or whatever, to get disemboweled on a cross and then says, "see? that's how much I love you!" Is this the sadistic asshole nutjob god you really want to worship? And that's not the worst part! The worst part is that people still believe in this caveman bullshit! They even defend it as reasonable!!!

Now I'm done.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2007-11-13 12:13am

But Supes, at that point in time, the Raptors could not yet open doors, so Adam and Eve were safe! God is wise, God is just!

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-11-13 02:40am

I don't know if the fact that they don't try to even base their fucked up beliefs in science is good or bad

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-11-13 02:45am

People shouldn't give money to go look at that. You're just funding their program.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2007-11-13 02:59am

Superman wrote:Holy shit! It's so simple! Why do our best and brightest not see it?

Satan.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2007-11-13 05:21am

Kanastrous wrote:^ actually, I think the logic is sound...it's just the premise from which the logic proceeds, that's total bullshit.

Someone with a proper understanding of the use of logic, tell me if I have that right, or not...

Yes, given the premise "God's Word is correct", and the other premise "our dating methods based on said words are accurate", the logic works. Of course, those premises are complete shit, not to mention that they are ignoring such small details as humans not appearing in those same layers as dinosaurs and thorn (but they have other means of "rationalising" that, which do break their logic, because they say the fossil record doesn't work the way it must work for the above argument to be true)...

Kanastrous · Post by **Kanastrous** » 2007-11-13 11:11am

That's what I figured; logic is a tool that only gives results as good as the uses to which it's out...

Zablorg wrote:I don't know if the fact that they don't try to even base their fucked up beliefs in science is good or bad

It's bad. It's an appropriation of scientific terms to lay a veneer of "legitimacy" over something that's pure superstition and fundamentally as anti-scientific as you can get.

SpacedTeddyBear · Post by **SpacedTeddyBear** » 2007-11-14 03:35am

Superman wrote:
The IQ of the average fundie has got to be much lower than the average person. These people are flat out stoo-pid.

Sorry, just had to.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-11-14 04:47am

Superman wrote:And goddamnit, I'm not done!

So what kind of god puts 2 naked morons into a big garden with a big tree, and then says, "don't touch it!?" And to make matters worse, he knew what was going to happen! He basically set up this whole situation so that humans would be cursed with this 'original sin' crap. If he knows the future, then he set it up. Just like he creates people knowing full well they will eventually go to hell. That's an all loving god? An all loving god sends his "son," or himself, or whatever, to get disemboweled on a cross and then says, "see? that's how much I love you!" Is this the sadistic asshole nutjob god you really want to worship? And that's not the worst part! The worst part is that people still believe in this caveman bullshit! They even defend it as reasonable!!!

Now I'm done.

Don't forget that it wasn't until they ate from the Fruit of Knowledge that Adam & Ever learned how to differentiate good and evil, and thus were incapable of distinguishing between right & wrong. Thus we are punished for having free will, but what's the first thing the fundies point to when one of their good christians does something evil, free will.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-11-14 05:27am

Man, I want to make a Creationist Historical Real-Time Strategy Game.

It'd be called Noah:Total War, and lets you take command of one of many nations of man existing just before the flood. You'd have people from the frigid northlands riding Wooly Mammoths and Wooly Rhinos, driving massive 12 foot Cave Bears before them--since there was no extended Iceage either... and to oppose them in the south, the Nations of Mesopotamia and their hordes of Dinosaur Cavalry. The East will join the fray as well, with huge 20 foot Terror Birds and Armored Ground Sloths capable of shrugging off the most vicious assaults. And then you'd have Sparta with Leonidas.

Goddamn, it would be beautiful.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2007-11-14 06:08am

What is the goal if you take the campaign, kill Noah before the Flood strikes or help Noah hold out until it strikes?

Or should you build the Ark as ultimate artifact, Tech 4 level, then see a nice cinematic of the Water Apocalypse?

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2007-11-14 06:23am

The goal should be to capture Noah and use his connection to God to upload a prehistoric computer virus (ie. a berserker to smash all his computers) to prevent God from initiating the Flood.

Campaign 2: "The Tower of Babel"
- Conquer all other factions
- Build a huge tower to heaven

Campaign 3: "Heavenbound"
- Send huge armies up the Tower of Babel
- Invade Heaven
- Seize the throne of God

Cave bears, mammoths and dinosaurs, tearing down the Pearly Gates? Epic!

Androsphinx · Post by **Androsphinx** » 2007-11-14 06:30am

Or should you build the Ark as ultimate artifact, Tech 4 level, then see a nice cinematic of the Water Apocalypse?

Iron Chariots would also be a good Level 4 item.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-11-14 06:36am

Dooey, I disapprove of your chapter naming. Let's make this a bit more realistic.

Campaign 1: A Hard Rain Gonna Fall
-Marshall your forces, unite local tribesmen.
-Collect as many different types of animules as possible.
-General Tutorial Level.

Campaign 2: Stairway to Heaven
-Towers are for pussies, we're building a ramp.
-Conquer all other factions to enslave them to do your work.
-Avoid rampaging sasquatch barbarians.

Campaign 3: Knockin' On Heaven's Door
-Defeat the lower Choirs of Angels, such as Powers, Dominions, Principalities, etc.
-An introduction to Heavenly Opponents.
-Defend your Stairway.
-Establish Beachhead in Heaven.
-Siege the Pearly Gates.
-Seize the Throne

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2007-11-14 07:49am

Covenant wrote: Campaign 3: Knockin' On Heaven's Door
-Defeat the lower Choirs of Angels, such as Powers, Dominions, Principalities, etc.
-An introduction to Heavenly Opponents.
-Defend your Stairway.
-Establish Beachhead in Heaven.
-Siege the Pearly Gates.
-Seize the Throne

Where's "Kill God"?

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2007-11-14 08:19am

God has glued himself to the throne and has to be vaporised in order to seize it. Maybe this is what that SDN game talked about in G&C should be about

Covenant wrote:Dooey, I disapprove of your chapter naming. Let's make this a bit more realistic.

They were only tentative

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2007-11-14 08:28am

Dooey Jo wrote:God has glued himself to the throne and has to be vaporised in order to seize it. Maybe this is what that SDN game talked about in G&C should be about

What, haven't you read Preacher? God isn't on the Throne, he vacated cause a demon shagged an angel, and then the Saint of Killers got mad at him.