Homeopathy 'Explained'

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-03-24 12:21pm

YouTube link

It certainly SOUNDS scientific, what with obtuse references to 'einstein' and 'energy'. Of course, every time this woman says 'right' I imagine in her head she's saying 'please believe me and buy stuff'.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2008-03-24 01:18pm

Ugh, I felt like I was watching Star Trek Voyager.

She can't even get her math right. If its essentially zero mass, then there is essentially zero energy. Its E = m MULTIPLIED by c^2 and anything multiplied by zero = zero. Yet she talks like its addition rather than multiplication. The remainder of our body that is not the actual mass is EMPTY SPACE.

And did she actually say we detect string vibrations with out ears? What a douche. Our ears are so piss poor, we can only detect a very limited spectrum of sound vibrations and she is going off saying they pick up all these other vibrations as well?

Energy cannot be created. We do not know how to create energy but we don't know how to destroy it either".

Its not a matter of not knowing how. Its a matter of it being IMPOSSIBLE.

Disease can be treated with light and sound? Gee, you just got done telling us everything is energy. Then so is that little pill I get from my doctor and the pill has PROVEN results, unlike your speculative nonsense.

What if I could encase some sort of energy for later use?

Its called "food" and "medication" dumbass.

Your random chemicals you use aren't guaranteed to "transform ones energy to a previous better state". Hell, it might make the "energy state" worse!

We either vibrate with a plant, a mineral or an animal

Where'd you pull THAT one from?

She finishes by telling about a guy with a "squeaky knee" and preliminary signs of potential type-2 diabetes and then goes off on how he likes to think he is a man of his word? And treating his other symptoms based on that? You can't make this shit up. And I don't suppose you'd like to produce documentation of your success stories, would you? Didn't think so.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-03-24 01:21pm

I'm concerned about a few things;

1. Its e=MC^2, she left out the 'squared'.
2. Its Stephen Hawking, not Hawkings. She got that wrong, too.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2008-03-24 01:25pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:1. Its e=MC^2, she left out the 'squared'.

It was intermittent. She'd say the formula right and then leave off the 'squared' when explaining what the terms are.

Like I said before, the real goof is her thinking zero mass means nothing but energy. She doesn't even know what multiplying by zero does. For the term to be neglected or ignored like she wants, m needs to equal 1. Thats basic math taught in grade school.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-03-24 04:05pm

That is almost exactly what I was debating with some girl who randomly messaged me on a forum and went on MSN. I couldn't believe the bullshit she was trying to educate me in, as if I knew fuck all about anything and she was the Royal Society's top scientist.

The Vortex Empire · Post by **The Vortex Empire** » 2008-03-24 04:09pm

She has no idea what she's talking about. The Pseudoscience burns.

Voluntaryist · Post by **Voluntaryist** » 2008-03-24 05:54pm

James Randi explains Homeopathy quite well in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U

Vehrec · Post by **Vehrec** » 2008-03-24 07:54pm

Is your answer to EVERYTHING a link? Seriously?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2008-03-24 08:03pm

Vehrec wrote:Is your answer to EVERYTHING a link? Seriously?

Hey, at least this link was worthwhile and funny as well.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-03-24 08:39pm

Vehrec wrote:Is your answer to EVERYTHING a link? Seriously?

Also, the link in the OP appears to be dead. The Randi one is a good substitute.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2008-03-24 08:47pm

LOL, that OP youtube video was on just less than an hour ago. It's been removed by the user, lol.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2008-03-24 09:03pm

One thing I never understood about Homoeopathy is how the water in the preparations is supposed to know which atoms 'energy', 'imprint' or whatever it's supposed to remember?

Any given water molecule must have been in proximity to any number of substances over it's existence, if it's in a homoeopathic preparation not least the packaging material.

I've put this question to several advocates of homoeopathy but unsurprisingly never got a meaningful response.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2008-03-24 09:10pm

Plekhanov wrote:One thing I never understood about Homoeopathy is how the water in the preparations is supposed to know which atoms 'energy', 'imprint' or whatever it's supposed to remember?

Any given water molecule must have been in proximity to any number of substances over it's existence, if it's in a homoeopathic preparation not least the packaging material.

I've put this question to several advocates of homoeopathy but unsurprisingly never got a meaningful response.

Yeah, this has been my favourite thing to point out too. Surely, if homeopathy worked, at concentrations less than one drop in all the world's oceans at that, then surely drinking some seawater will cure whatever ails you since it will have been in contact with everything through the water cycle and dilution.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-03-24 09:43pm

Zuul wrote: Yeah, this has been my favourite thing to point out too. Surely, if homeopathy worked, at concentrations less than one drop in all the world's oceans at that, then surely drinking some seawater will cure whatever ails you since it will have been in contact with everything through the water cycle and dilution.

Or be the most toxic substance known to science, of course.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2008-03-24 10:04pm

So if massively diluting toxic substances makes them magically cure anything with similar symptoms to those caused by the toxins shouldn't sufficiently diluted beneficial substances have the similar opposite effects? As such shouldn't drinking some water that was once near some orange juice should give you scurvy or something?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2008-03-24 10:27pm

I didn't know that diluting poisons made them healthy. I was under the impression that homeopathy increased the additive's abilities, which would render a toxin even more deadly.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2008-03-24 10:33pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:I didn't know that diluting poisons made them healthy. I was under the impression that homeopathy increased the additive's abilities, which would render a toxin even more deadly.

Homeopathy has this weird pseudoscientific list of what things are "like" one another (where the "homo" comes from in the word) and the idea is that a diluted "toxin" will cure the ailment caused by things in that toxin's "like" list. For instance, they may put sulphur in a homeopathic solution to cure burns.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2008-03-24 11:21pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:I didn't know that diluting poisons made them healthy. I was under the impression that homeopathy increased the additive's abilities, which would render a toxin even more deadly.

Homoeopathy is based on the premise that if you dilute something enough at some point it will start having kind of a mirror image effect of high doses of the chemical, hence my pondering if extremely diluted orange juice will give you scurvy.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2008-03-25 12:12am

If you filter water enough times... you get dehydrated from drinking it!

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2008-03-25 01:18am

So if I dilute someones mental health medication they will go crazy?

Do these people have what they think is an explanation for the bizzare affects their theory could have?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-03-25 04:49am

Homeopathy is strikingly bold, in its own way. They come right out with strong declarative statements that have no basis whatsoever in fact, and then construct an entire complicated system of thought based on those statements.

Any one of us could do the same. Simply start with a completely arbitrary made-up premise, like "all living things contain psychic energy, and when you kill something, you can take part of its psychic energy into yourself", and you can easily construct a complicated pseudo-medicine system on that basis. You can also selectively interpret real-world information to suit the belief.

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2008-03-25 05:22am

Could it even be described as pseudo-science? Homeopathy doesn't even try to explain how it works, unlike stuff like "Light therapy" which tries to dazzle you with big scientific words which are almost all out of context. Homeopathy is instead more like saying elephants can fly by eating monkey shit, JUST CAUSE.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2008-03-25 01:23pm

Darth Wong wrote:Any one of us could do the same. Simply start with a completely arbitrary made-up premise, like "all living things contain psychic energy, and when you kill something, you can take part of its psychic energy into yourself", and you can easily construct a complicated pseudo-medicine system on that basis. You can also selectively interpret real-world information to suit the belief.

I would actually LOVE to see someone try and say The Quickening is real.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-03-25 01:38pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Any one of us could do the same. Simply start with a completely arbitrary made-up premise, like "all living things contain psychic energy, and when you kill something, you can take part of its psychic energy into yourself", and you can easily construct a complicated pseudo-medicine system on that basis. You can also selectively interpret real-world information to suit the belief.
I would actually LOVE to see someone try and say The Quickening is real.

The what?
I sense some kind of interesting fantasy reference that just zoomed far above my head.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2008-03-25 01:55pm

Molyneux wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Any one of us could do the same. Simply start with a completely arbitrary made-up premise, like "all living things contain psychic energy, and when you kill something, you can take part of its psychic energy into yourself", and you can easily construct a complicated pseudo-medicine system on that basis. You can also selectively interpret real-world information to suit the belief.
I would actually LOVE to see someone try and say The Quickening is real.
The what?
I sense some kind of interesting fantasy reference that just zoomed far above my head.

The Movie "Highlander".
There can only be One! I'd support that system myself