Amusingly honest creationist E-mail (2008-11-12)

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Amusingly honest creationist E-mail (2008-11-12)

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Name: Charles L Clarke Jr

I believe that nothing is new under the sun. Haven't read much other than science and biblical creation.

While I don't believe Darwinism has been proven is unlikely, If a viable mechanism sufaces maybe. As of now without intelligent design, the appearence of even hundreds of mutations wouldn't stand a chance of genetic survivial.

I think the creation story in the bible is more likely. Only not as a god because in Genesis we find the creators were plural.

The survival of Adam and Muthusala for hundred of years makes a lot more sense to me. I take the bible a god as more man made literature, with some facts involved.

It's becoming more acceptable in Academia, or at least with many that realizes UFO are probably not fiction. It's most probable we are in the creators image, and the little men that are reported on these space ships, could be dna robots.

They probably carry DNA through space and are sybiotically dependent on our survival.

Well this is a brief maybe you think far out idea. But I haven't read it or have I seen an extraterrestrial being. Just a more logical conclusion than the accept ones(to me) in society.

Charles L. Clarke Jr.

P.S. I didn't bother reading anything in this website sorry.


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At least he admitted up-front that he didn't bother reading my website. I already know that 99% of creationists ignore the site before E-mailing me (I actually can't recall the last time a creationist E-mailed me an argument which actually addressed any specific argument in my website). I thought my response should be equally honest:
I wrote:You're wrong about everything in the world, and you're ugly too.

PS. I didn't bother reading anything in your E-mail sorry.
I couldn't help it :D

On a more serious note, why don't these people have any damned shame at all? Shouldn't they be embarrassed to be so obviously ignorant of the subjects they write about?
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Re: Amusingly honest creationist E-mail (2008-11-12)

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Most people are far too invested in their own belief systems to ever consider the possibility that they could be wrong.

So then in every circumstance they are operating under the axiom that they are right.

Therefore, you are clearly wrong.

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Re: Amusingly honest creationist E-mail (2008-11-12)

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That is another embarrassing example of terrible English writing skills.

Why do people even bother coming to your website in the first place? They come to the website, see it's anti-religion, and so blast it without even taking the time to take issue with anything you said?

I can only hope this is a kid, and I can only assume that he's definitely in the "me" generation, feeling that anyone gives a shit about his opinion and "theories".

P.S. Another reason I come here that I didn't post in OT. I always enjoy these snippets. I need a reminder sometimes of just how bad these people are.
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Re: Amusingly honest creationist E-mail (2008-11-12)

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There's a lot more amusing things in that e-mail than his postscript (although I liked the response). I particularly love the DNA Space Robots theory which is, obviously, becoming more accepted amongst any academia as any real intelligent person would know. :lol: A very logical conclusion indeed from young master Charles.

As for the "why", CaptJodan may have hit on it. The entire e-mail is "I think, I believe, Me, Me, Me". Even the most bog standard creationist e-mails try and pretend to cite something, even if it is the Bible. This reeks of "my opinion is... and it should be taken seriously because everyone's opinions matter" special snowflake bullshit.
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I can't get over the whole "I don't believe what you do but I haven't read any of your website" shtik. When you are taking a look at a side in a debate (even a playful one) you want to know the other side's information and plan ahead. Not doing this is just poor planning. I don't think the guy took 5 seconds to look over his email before sending it. Maybe he did and didn't see a problem? I think that is one for the philosophers to wrestle with.
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TheLegion wrote:I can't get over the whole "I don't believe what you do but I haven't read any of your website" shtik. When you are taking a look at a side in a debate (even a playful one) you want to know the other side's information and plan ahead. Not doing this is just poor planning. I don't think the guy took 5 seconds to look over his email before sending it. Maybe he did and didn't see a problem? I think that is one for the philosophers to wrestle with.
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In this case it looks like a complete and total absence of critical thinking skills. He doesn't believe God is responsible... but that magic space aliens are. And that he doesn't understand what the term dna means. He could be a kid- I hope that it is a kid getting their thoughts formed. I'd hate for it to be an adult that immature.
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That second half of that email gives me horribles vibes of Timecube
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The guy thinks that robots who
probably carry DNA through space and are sybiotically dependent on our survival
are more "likely" than "Darwinism", because he thinks so. I don't think this guy has even the slightest grasp on how ignorant he is.
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Masami von Weizegger wrote:There's a lot more amusing things in that e-mail than his postscript (although I liked the response).
The important element was to tell him he's ugly. Without that, it just lacks that extra zesty flavour.
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The reply was all sorts of asshole. :lol:
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What I don't get is this part:
I think the creation story in the bible is more likely. Only not as a god because in Genesis we find the creators were plural.
Do you think that was just an example of his horribly butchered English, or does he genuinely believe in some weird, polytheistic version of Christianity? :wtf:
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DaveJB wrote: Do you think that was just an example of his horribly butchered English, or does he genuinely believe in some weird, polytheistic version of Christianity? :wtf:
Yes. With robots.
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Well, I don't think you can have polytheistic Christianity without robots. It's like having breakfast without bacon.
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Darth Wong wrote:On a more serious note, why don't these people have any damned shame at all? Shouldn't they be embarrassed to be so obviously ignorant of the subjects they write about?
Well they should, but they are ignorant of their ignorance. I'm sure "dna robots" is a very meaningful term in the interesting world of Charles L Clarke Jr, where the long lives of Adam and Methuselah makes a lot of sense.
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DaveJB wrote:
I think the creation story in the bible is more likely. Only not as a god because in Genesis we find the creators were plural.
Do you think that was just an example of his horribly butchered English, or does he genuinely believe in some weird, polytheistic version of Christianity? :wtf:
I think the latter - he's probably pulling from passage 1:26 in Genesis:

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I hope he reads this;

Your bad grammar and english skills have made baby Robot Jesus cry. Very Impressive, since he doesn't actually have any fluid in him, and instead runs on lug-nuts.
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DaveJB wrote:What I don't get is this part:
I think the creation story in the bible is more likely. Only not as a god because in Genesis we find the creators were plural.
Do you think that was just an example of his horribly butchered English, or does he genuinely believe in some weird, polytheistic version of Christianity? :wtf:
The majority of explicit references in the bible suggest that there are multiple gods.

And hey. Give him credit... "DNA robots" (whatever they are) are probably more likely than a big beardy sky man who predates the universe.
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NecronLord wrote:The majority of explicit references in the bible suggest that there are multiple gods.

And hey. Give him credit... "DNA robots" (whatever they are) are probably more likely than a big beardy sky man who predates the universe.
Doesn't the bible usually imply that those guys are fakers trying to claim all the credit though, and that it's the one true god that created life, the universe and everything? Claiming that someone helped God to create humanity is a new one as far as I'm concerned, to say nothing of robots giving god a hand!
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What is amusing of this one is something that surfaces in people on a proverbial fence. He doesn't want to get pigeonholed into being a thumper so he brings up some outside agency. Sure, God at the end is the big kahuna, BUT there is something out there doing his will. In this case, aliens.

I always find these funny because they do not want a universe that is as cold as science proclaims, because it limits humanity. Instead bringing out that not only is there a God, but that they are being that work God's will, makes it so that humanity is doing just the same and just special to be on that particular end.

Much more amusing then your usual run of retard, Mike :D .
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DaveJB wrote:What I don't get is this part:
I think the creation story in the bible is more likely. Only not as a god because in Genesis we find the creators were plural.
Do you think that was just an example of his horribly butchered English, or does he genuinely believe in some weird, polytheistic version of Christianity? :wtf:
The latter. This guy isn't a fundamentalist Christian, he's a New-Age connoisseur of woo, a true child of the Golden Mean. Just as stupid as the fundies, but they tend to be too divided amongst themselves to amass any significant political power.
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Drooling Iguana wrote:
DaveJB wrote:What I don't get is this part:
I think the creation story in the bible is more likely. Only not as a god because in Genesis we find the creators were plural.
Do you think that was just an example of his horribly butchered English, or does he genuinely believe in some weird, polytheistic version of Christianity? :wtf:
The latter. This guy isn't a fundamentalist Christian, he's a New-Age connoisseur of woo, a true child of the Golden Mean. Just as stupid as the fundies, but they tend to be too divided amongst themselves to amass any significant political power.
I don't think new age nutjobs actually want or care about political power. I can't think of too many actual new age political goals, whereas I can think of plenty of religious political goals.
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Correct- once you get that detached from reality, you stop really being a threat to society at large. Okay, you stop being a political threat.
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Okay. I've looked up the Golden Mean philosophy---an idea concerning harmony, truth and beauty--the Golden Rule--which is the rule of reciprocity--and the Golden Mean. which is a mathematical ratio...

So what exactly is a child of the Golden Mean?


Also, I couldn't help but feel... very upset and struck by, not his message (which I just abbreviated to "bullshit") but that he shared his last name with Arthur C. Clarke... Honestly, reading that hurt. :roll:
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The Golden Mean is also the name of a logical fallacy, whereby that philosophy of personal conduct is perverted into a deductive mechanism for divining the correct conclusion for any given disputed question.

To wit, if you look at a question for which there are two opposing answers, the Golden Mean Fallacy is to assume that both opposing answers have equal validity, so the correct answer must be situated halfway between them.

You see this fallacy a lot in politics.
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It is bested expressed in this analogy.

Person A wants to kill all the puppies.
Person B wants to kill no puppies.

Person A is okay with this, but person B still objects.
Idiots come to the conclusion that...
Person B must be a sore loser!

It is also why having groups like the Black Panthers helped push civil rights- it makes the "extreme" further to the extreme.
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