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Dinosaurs did not gradually die out, European study claims

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Non-avian dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago, and now researchers have proven that this die-off didn't happen over a long period of time.

A detailed look at dinosaur bones, tracks and eggs located at 29 archaeological sites located in the Catalan Pyrenees reveals that there was a large diversity of dinosaur species living there just before the fatal K-T extinction event, which many scientists believe was caused by several large meteors hitting Earth.

Dinosaurs thrived outside of this part of Spain as well before 65 million years ago, such as in North America, but this particular research, published in the journal Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, focused on the Catalan region, a former dinosaur hotbed.

Sites at towns like Tremp and Aren are rich in dinosaur bones, while those in Vallcebre contain many dinosaur tracks. Excavations at the town of Coll de Nargó have also unearthed many fossilized dinosaur eggs. These date to the Maastrichtian, the last stage of the Cretaceous period. The researchers could even see incredible dino diversification in the upper layers of the Maastrichtian, just before non-avian dinosaurs disappeared off the face of the planet.

The research also shows for the first time that the sauropod Titanosaurus (an herbivorous quadruped that grew to enormous sizes), as well as the nodosaurid dinosaurs (armoured herbivores), preferred swampy habitats, while other dinosaurs such as the dromaeosaurids (relatively small-sized carnivores, closely related to birds) lived in practically all types of environments.

For the Autonomous University of Barcelona's Violeta Riera, who worked on the project, studying dinosaurs in Catalonia is a privilege, given that “the dinosaurs found here are the last specimens that lived on Earth."

“The Pyrenees," she affirms, “are the only place in Europe where quality research can be carried out on the period in which they became extinct." No other European mountain range offers such rich sites since “at that time, Europe was a large archipelago with not much land for dinosaurs."
I must criticize this study's Eurocentric bias. All the samples examined here come from one region in Europe, so it doesn't really reveal much about trends in dinosaur diversity in the rest of the late Cretaceous world. If you really wanted to challenge the idea that dinosaur diversity was declining prior to the asteroid impact, you should do a study that encompasses more of the world.

I'm also surprised at the finding that titanosaurian sauropods in Europe were wetland-dwellers. As paleontologist Robert Bakker showed in his Dinosaur Heresies, sauropods are typically found in sediments deposited in seasonally dry, savanna-like environments. That makes some sense, for you'd think animals as heavy as sauropods would have a hard time moving across muck.
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Well, if I remember Bakker's book, and it's been years and years since I read it, most of his evidence came from North America and Asia, I don't really recall much on European dinosaur clades being mentioned. Could be the sauropods in Europe were just adapted somewhat differently. If I remember correctly the Cretaceous ones weren't as large as their Jurassic ancestors, anyway.
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Slacker wrote:Well, if I remember Bakker's book, and it's been years and years since I read it, most of his evidence came from North America and Asia, I don't really recall much on European dinosaur clades being mentioned. Could be the sauropods in Europe were just adapted somewhat differently. If I remember correctly the Cretaceous ones weren't as large as their Jurassic ancestors, anyway.
Some surapods are much larger if I recall. Titanosaurus only existed in the cretaceous period.
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But I believe they were mostly located in South America and Africa, while duckbills dominated North America.
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This debate always confused the hell out of me. If a 100.000 gigaton of TNT equivalent meteorite impacts the planet then everything not hidden beneath meters of clay, deep inside caves or at the bottom of deep ocean graves such as the Mariners trench should be fucking dead within 24 hours. Especially huge lifeforms like dinosaurs, I'm OK with turtles, sharks, mice-like burrowers and so on. The projections for an impact like that which I have seen talk about global mean temperatures of about 100 degrees Celsius for a day or so afterwards, the burning of all forests, massive tsunamis racing across the oceans, many years of dark meteor-winter, perhaps a millenia of magnificent climate-change afterwards. Just last year there was one study indicating that dinosaurs had survived just one or two thousand miles away from the impact area on the North America of that time. Wouldn't the atmospheric shockwave alone kill them? What about the million tons of ejecta crashing back down? I cant make any sense of this stuff :?
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cosmicalstorm wrote:This debate always confused the hell out of me. If a 100.000 gigaton of TNT equivalent meteorite impacts the planet then everything not hidden beneath meters of clay, deep inside caves or at the bottom of deep ocean graves such as the Mariners trench should be fucking dead within 24 hours. Especially huge lifeforms like dinosaurs, I'm OK with turtles, sharks, mice-like burrowers and so on. The projections for an impact like that which I have seen talk about global mean temperatures of about 100 degrees Celsius for a day or so afterwards, the burning of all forests, massive tsunamis racing across the oceans, many years of dark meteor-winter, perhaps a millenia of magnificent climate-change afterwards. Just last year there was one study indicating that dinosaurs had survived just one or two thousand miles away from the impact area on the North America of that time. Wouldn't the atmospheric shockwave alone kill them? What about the million tons of ejecta crashing back down? I cant make any sense of this stuff :?
You're overstating the effects of the impact. Effects of the impact were also dependent on distance from the impact. Atmospheric shockwaves can be attenuated or deflected by local topography or atmospheric conditions. While there would've been atmospheric heating superheated ejecta coming back down, the distribution of radiation would've partially attenuated by cloud cover in areas. It would be more-than-possible for substantial pockets of dinosaur-scale life to survive the event.

The impact's most devastating effects were directed at the base of the food chain. The dust and aerosols injected into the high atmosphere by the impact would've obliterated much of the photosynthesis. There would've been communities of dinosaurs that would've survived the immediate effects of the impact, only to discover that not only is there nothing at the base of the food chain to sustain them, but the local climate has been fundamentally altered and natural selection isn't going to catch up in time.

Some ecosystems had better survivability than others. River and wetland ecosystems (where amphibians, the surviving avian dinosaur families, and the surviving large reptiles lived) held up much better than other terrestrial ecosystems. Deep ocean and seafloor ecosystems survived much better than shallow sea and coastal ecosystems (most species of bony fish and sharks survived the event.)
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Yeah I may have gotten carried away.
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