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LOUISVILLE, Ky. – A Southern Baptist leader who is calling for Christians to avoid yoga and its spiritual attachments is getting plenty of pushback from enthusiasts who defend the ancient practice.

Southern Baptist Seminary President Albert Mohler says the stretching and meditative discipline derived from Eastern religions is not a Christian pathway to God.
Mohler said he objects to "the idea that the body is a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine."
"That's just not Christianity," Mohler told The Associated Press.


Mohler said feedback has come through e-mail and comments on blogs and other websites since he wrote an essay to address questions about yoga he has heard for years.
"I'm really surprised by the depth of the commitment to yoga found on the part of many who identify as Christians," Mohler said.

Yoga fans say their numbers have been growing in the U.S. A 2008 study by the Yoga Journal put the number at 15.8 million, or nearly 7 percent of adults. About 6.7 percent of American adults are Southern Baptists, according to a 2007 survey by the Pew Research Center Forum on Religion & Public Life.

Mohler argued in his online essay last month that Christians who practice yoga "must either deny the reality of what yoga represents or fail to see the contradictions between their Christian commitments and their embrace of yoga."
He said his view is "not an eccentric Christian position."

Other Christian leaders have said practicing yoga is incompatible with the teachings of Jesus. Pat Robertson has called the chanting and other spiritual components that go along with yoga "really spooky." California megachurch pastor John MacArthur called yoga a "false religion." Muslim clerics have banned Muslims from practicing yoga in Egypt, Malaysia and Indonesia, citing similar concerns.

Yoga proponents say the wide-ranging discipline, which originated in India, offers physical and mental healing through stretching poses and concentration.
"Lots of people come to yoga because they are often in chronic pain. Others come because they think it's a nice workout," said Allison Terracio, who runs the Infinite Bliss studio in Louisville.

And some yoga studios have made the techniques more palatable for Christians by removing the chanting and associations to eastern religions, namely Hinduism and its multiple deities.

Stephanie Dillon, who has injected Christian themes into her studio in Louisville, said yoga brought her closer to her Christian faith, which had faded after college and service in the Army.

"What I found is that it opened my spirit, it renewed my spirituality," Dillon said. "That happened first and then I went back to church." Dillon attends Southeast Christian Church in Louisville and says many evangelical Christians from the church attend her yoga classes.

She said she prayed on the question of whether to mix yoga and Christianity before opening her studio, PM Yoga, where she discusses her relationship with Jesus during classes.
"My objection (to Mohler's view) personally is that I feel that yoga enhances a person's spirituality," Dillon said. "I don't like to look at religion from a law standpoint but a relationship standpoint, a relationship with Jesus Christ specifically."

Mohler wrote the essay after reading "The Subtle Body," where author Stefanie Syman traces the history of yoga in America. Syman noted the growing popularity of yoga in the U.S. by pointing out that first lady Michelle Obama has added it to the festivities at the annual White House Easter Egg Roll on the front lawn.
Mohler said many people have written him to say they're simply doing exercises and forgoing yoga's eastern mysticism and meditation.
"My response to that would be simple and straightforward: You're just not doing yoga,"
Mohler said.
We often joke about how insecure western religion is to outside forms of thought, other religions, other cultures, science... But the very notion that a worshiper could be led astray of 'da lord' but what amounts to an exercise course has got to be a new low. You also have got to love this:
Mohler said he objects to "the idea that the body is a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine."
"That's just not Christianity," Mohler told The Associated Press
Because after all, mere mortals evidently have NO place trying to actually commune with "the divine" that must squarely lie only with Ministers and priests!.
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I honestly can't say this is terribly surprising. I had an idiot English teacher in gradeschool who honestly believed that meditation summoned spirits.
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Mohler said he objects to "the idea that the body is a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine."
"That's just not Christianity," Mohler told The Associated Press
Contrasted with the belief that the body (through Lust) can certainly sever any connection to the divine.
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:We often joke about how insecure western religion is to outside forms of thought, other religions, other cultures, science... But the very notion that a worshiper could be led astray of 'da lord' but what amounts to an exercise course has got to be a new low.
To be fair, yoga has its 'it's just stretching' adherents, and it has its 'mystical spiritual woo-flavoured new age crap' adherents.

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Any time I hear about people of whatever religious flavor decrying beneficial practices as antithetical to their beliefs, all I can think is hey, anything that voluntarily reduces your guys' life expectancy is okay by me. Less time spent in the world = less damage done.
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Yoga, according to my philosophy handbook, represents the practical lines of reaching the salvation outlined by Sankha (sp?) system. Unlike the Sankha, Yoga acknowledges a personal highest god.
The base idea of yoga, is that trough askesis (sp?), meditation and concentration one can calm lust, gain insight and finally lose from material practicum praktiki. There are eight levels of Yoga, the first five being exercises and the last three being more about mental (and spiritual) exercises.

So be fair, it is a practice and part of orthodox Hinduism, not originally meant to have anything to do with Christianity (and in fact, is older than Christianity). So Yoga is not just a system or exercises, but part of a spiritual system. So, I get where the woman is coming from.

Of course, I see no reason why not adopt these practices nor why the practices could not be separated from their Hinduist roots.

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Not to mention the different forms of yoga - Hatha Yoga, Kriya Yoga, etc etc...
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I guess the huge proportion of physical therapists who recommend yoga to patients are actually hindu missionaries in disguise?
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Of course. People who are right with Jesus don't go to heathen-ass physical therapists. They go to faith healers who can bring the healing Spirit down upon them.
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Come on, guys, they are Southern Baptists. Of course they are going to think bad things about yoga. After all, stretching, exercise, and weird chants aren't the way to Jesus; everyone knows that its fried food, Bud light, and loud singing.
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I never fail to be surprised by the amount of weight people lend to the opinion of a men who, frankly speaking, couldn't reason their way out of a paper bag. The man is an idiot.
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So along with Pokemon, Harry Potter, Lady Gaga, rock and roll, black people music and television, Yoga is now evil and Satanic? I guess it had it coming.

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Mohler argued in his online essay last month that Christians who practice yoga "must either deny the reality of what yoga represents or fail to see the contradictions between their Christian commitments and their embrace of yoga."
this doesn't seem like an unreasonable position within its context-- assuming you want to be a fundamentalist Christian you can't go around practicing parts of other religions and calling it good. He's criticizing the people who ignore the fact that yoga was created as a religious ritual and do it as though it's simply a system of exercises. You wouldn't be surprised if he was complaining about people who called themselves Christians were praying towards Mecca or something; this wouldn't really be any different from his perspective.

If someone came up with a 'sanitized' renamed version of yoga that purged all of the spiritual references, he'd probably be fine with it.

It's easy to call him an idiot [and he is] but if you accept the imaginary predicates of his worldview, this viewpoint is entirely predictable.
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Lagmonster wrote:To be fair, yoga has its 'it's just stretching' adherents, and it has its 'mystical spiritual woo-flavoured new age crap' adherents.
Yeah, some of them get pretty goofy. Howard Stern once was ripping on a Madonna interview where she kept going on about how yoga "changes the molecular structure of your body".

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Seggybop wrote:this doesn't seem like an unreasonable position within its context-- assuming you want to be a fundamentalist Christian you can't go around practicing parts of other religions and calling it good. He's criticizing the people who ignore the fact that yoga was created as a religious ritual and do it as though it's simply a system of exercises. You wouldn't be surprised if he was complaining about people who called themselves Christians were praying towards Mecca or something; this wouldn't really be any different from his perspective.
The most obvious problem with it though, is the sheer amount of pagan traditions that Christianity hijacked and claimed as its own. Ignoring that and pretending there's some sort of pure way to practice Christianity is just cherry picking nonsense.
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I really don't see this as contradictory, stupid, or surprising. This quote in particular cements her position quite nicely:
... Christians who practice yoga "must either deny the reality of what yoga represents or fail to see the contradictions between their Christian commitments and their embrace of yoga." ....
I'm gonna guesstimate that the VAST MAJORITY of American yoga practitioners fall into the former category. That is, they deny the pseudo-spriritual (or legitimately spriritual) heritage of Yoga and instead focus on it as just a physical exercise. Clearly those aren't the types she has a problem with - but rather the latter. Now if she was unable to distinguish that there exists these two categories, that'd be gross stupidity on her part. . . but this quote shows that she clearly knows many Christians do Yoga without any religious leanings.

In a sense, it's the same logic by which a Christian who celebrates Halloween aka: All-Hallow's-Eve must either 'deny the reality of what Halloween represents or fail to see the contradictions between their Christian commitment and their embrace of a pagan belief'. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of trick-or-treaters have no idea and certainly no intent of following ancient demonic rituals and as such do not draw the ire of Mohler.

Either that, or I'm giving her WAY too much credit for intelligence and rationality.
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This is not new, by the way. Heck, I grew up scared of Yoga.
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