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Posted cos 1) he might want to know and 2) the mods probably want to know the source of the traffic.

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It's a nice FAQ. Even though I disagree with some of Starglider's views on friendly AI, I do appreciate his insights. I have had that FAQ on my favorites for a while, its a nice source.

On a side note, I haven't seen him post in a while.
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Ziggy Stardust wrote:It's a nice FAQ. Even though I disagree with some of Starglider's views on friendly AI, I do appreciate his insights. I have had that FAQ on my favorites for a while, its a nice source.

On a side note, I haven't seen him post in a while.
IMO he's always here, lurking. Kind of like Skynet.
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He posted quite recently in the thread about corporate income tax.
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Yeah I'd be surprised if he DIDNT Know about it.
He's really up to date on a lot of things, almost like he's monitoring the internet all the time, like a computer or something...





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soobtoob 7 points 1 month ago
I've never read this before, but I personally find it rather... uncomfortably biased?
Libertarian, hates the government, and believes that anyone who disagrees is an idiot? ✓
Thinks genetic algorithms, neural networks, and similar methods are dumb ways toward an AGI, and thinks anyone who disagrees is an idiot? ✓
Is aware of the dangers of egotism and isolationism, talks extensively about it, but is in denial that he could reasonably be affected by it for reasons specific to him? ✓
Randomly interspersed mathematical jargon into otherwise ordinary English sentences for no reason? ✓
Is utterly convinced that any intelligent entity is guaranteed to destroy the world, and that it's a moral duty to contribute to FAI? ✓
Cites Eliezer Yudkowsky as a source? ✓
It's almost like it was written by Yudkowsky himself.
I'm sure there are some useful links, and some less useful commentary, but I can't help feeling that a committee could have written a better, more useful, and more honest FAQ.
This post about sums it up.

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It's troublesome. He's an AI developer and obviously knows more about it than most of us here, but his politics are libertarian-goldbug levels of craziness, and how much can you actually trust the proponents and developers of AI when they hype this stuff? They've hyped it before multiple times only for it to fail to pan out on them.

Still, he does sporadically produce thought-provoking commentary in News & Politics, even if it's thought-provoking in the sense of "What the hell was that?".
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In my experience people who dive deep enough into X subject tend to be so occupied by that subject that they completely vanish from internet due to lack of time. Therefore I was very grateful he took the time to write that down on one place instead of piecemealing it out in a million different bits on a thousand different IRC chats. He also seems a lot more cautious about the whole thing than most enthusiastic singularitards like Kurzweil, that makes it more trustworthy.

Maybe we need more socialist-AI-seed programmers?
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Guardsman Bass wrote:his politics are libertarian-goldbug levels of craziness
I have been called a communist stalinist socialist liberal gay anarchist bleeding heart cowardly elitist atheist globalist traitorous evolutionist pacifist democrat scum on various conservative-leaning forums, although not (to date) all at the same time. See; fundamental attribution error.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:It's troublesome. He's an AI developer and obviously knows more about it than most of us here, but his politics are libertarian-goldbug levels of craziness, .
Nah, he just lived in Croydon. It's an effective way to loose any sympthay for the great unwashed. Unlike living in Vietnam, which had the opposite effect.
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Besides, one has to make certain allowances; he manages his Science-related Memetic Disorder pretty well most of the time despite the odd lapse.

(Seriously, though, I suspect that he's actually a really nice guy underneath it all.)
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Starglider wrote:
Guardsman Bass wrote:his politics are libertarian-goldbug levels of craziness
I have been called a communist stalinist socialist liberal gay anarchist bleeding heart cowardly elitist atheist globalist traitorous evolutionist pacifist democrat scum on various conservative-leaning forums, although not (to date) all at the same time. See; fundamental attribution error.
Strangely enough, being probably the only real communist, I never saw you as a goldbug. Were you one? Because if you were, I must say I'm sorry for gold's performance last year :lol:
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