Fox Hunting...

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-07-01 03:21am

MPs back bill banning fox hunting

Of course, it still has to go through the Lords, and guess what your average Lord does for fun?

I know there are a lot of hunters on this board, but my question is - what do you guys think of hunting with dogs - you know the score:- block up all the fox's dens then chase it down with a pack of dogs who then rip it apart. Do those of you who hunt with guns approve of this practice as well?

And (although it's not in this article) - do young female protestors who strip off actually succeed in getting people to 'pay attention to the issues' or just gather a bunch of spectators who like staring and upper class totty?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-01 03:34am

I doubt I'd do it if given the chance, those foxes do tend to suffer quite a bit once caught. But if other find it enjoyable then go ahead. The UK doesn’t have a shortage of them last time I checked. In addition it appears to be pretty important economically to some areas, given how many hundreds of thousands turn out to protest against the proposed ban.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2003-07-01 05:04am

Ahhh... finally. Although we'll probably get the countryside alliance protesting and all that...

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-07-01 01:17pm

innerbrat wrote:I know there are a lot of hunters on this board, but my question is - what do you guys think of hunting with dogs - you know the score:- block up all the fox's dens then chase it down with a pack of dogs who then rip it apart. Do those of you who hunt with guns approve of this practice as well?

What purpose does killing the fox serve? It's not like people eat them, and there are better ways to get pelts (not that their really needed, anyway).

Surely there's a better excuse to gallop around the countryside on horseback (which is what fox hunters are really interested in doing, AFAIK).

The Third Man · Post by **The Third Man** » 2003-07-01 01:23pm

I'm strongly anti. Not particularly because of the cruelty, although it undoubtedly is, but because of the class thing. I object to an elitist group of people inflicting pain, suffering and death on an animal, merely to establish their supposed social superiority to the rest of us. There's surely something disturbingly wrong with someone who needs to shore-up their self-esteem this way. Same goes for grouse-shooting, pheasant-shooting, anything where if I tried to join up it'd be "oh no, you can't play the killing-this-animal game with us, you don't speak the right way and you don't have the right parents" BTW I have something of a rural upbringing, I've seen the results of fox vs chickens, and I'll admit I've killed stuff myself, pretty much just for pleasure.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-07-01 01:42pm

I hate it, for the elitism as stated above, the pointless cruelty, and the lazy ass farmers.

Their main argument is it's a fun way to control a pest. However, if the farmers properly protected their farms, the fox population should go down naturally.

Damn farmers.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-01 02:51pm

I dont find sport hunting to be ethical. I fish...thats it.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-07-01 03:12pm

Rye wrote:Their main argument is it's a fun way to control a pest.

Control pest why then they don`t fix the rat and pidgeon problem,those are the real pest.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-07-01 04:18pm

Montcalm wrote:
Rye wrote:Their main argument is it's a fun way to control a pest.
Control pest why then they don`t fix the rat and pidgeon problem,those are the real pest.

Everything I have read indicates that foxes control vermin more than go after human livestock

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-07-01 05:18pm

The method they use in fox hunting is beyond despicable, There's no need for such utter cruelty, and I've heard some right horror stories of what happens when it goes wrong and the Fox finds its way to a house or something like that.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-07-01 08:11pm

But without hunting were will disney get ideas for movies.
Think people we need this

on the other note. WHO cares?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-07-01 09:24pm

Dark Hellion wrote:But without hunting were will disney get ideas for movies.
Think people we need this
on the other note. WHO cares?

erm, look at the posts above yours.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-07-01 09:37pm

yup. I should probably be more sensitive to other people.
Truthfully, I have no problem with hunting unless it is done in a cruel fashion. Deer hunters sometimes cross the line, fox hunters leap wildly over the line yelling JOLLY HO!!! at the top of there lungs.
So yes. i find it an unterly senceless and despicable hobbie.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-07-01 09:39pm

Dark Hellion wrote:yup. I should probably be more sensitive to other people.
Truthfully, I have no problem with hunting unless it is done in a cruel fashion. Deer hunters sometimes cross the line, fox hunters leap wildly over the line yelling JOLLY HO!!! at the top of there lungs.
So yes. i find it an unterly senceless and despicable hobbie.

I thought it was TALLY HO.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-07-01 09:43pm

Fox hunting is needlessly cruel; it is not a one-shot one-kill sort of thing and I have never heard of people eating the fox after they've offed it.

Also, I hate the elitism of the thing.

BTW, how does the House of Lords work? If you're a lord, are you automatically in? Do you have to be voted in? Can they veto the House of Commons(and vice-versa?)

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-07-02 04:01am

I'm not against quick 1 shot kill hunting but having a fox torn apart is needlessy cruel.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-02 05:01am

Montcalm wrote: I thought it was TALLY HO.

It is. Now its also been adapted by many air forces to mean "target visually sighted" which is basically want it means in Fox hunting as well.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-02 05:03am

ArmorPierce wrote:I'm not against quick 1 shot kill hunting but having a fox torn apart is needlessy cruel.

Do you approve of fishing with a hook by chance?

After all you could just drop some explosive in and stun and kill them instantly, while with a hook you have the thing fighting for its life for a prolonged period while the hook tears into its mouth. Then its plop into the boat for slow death via suffocation.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-07-02 05:28am

It's better than dumping explosives you wreak the environment I said needless for a reason, some things are necessary. Also it's just a fish. I wouldn't care if you caught a spider and started ripping its legs one by one and a fish isn't much more in the land of intelligence than a spider.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-07-02 05:42am

ArmorPierce wrote:It's better than dumping explosives you wreak the environment I said needless for a reason, some things are necessary. Also it's just a fish. I wouldn't care if you caught a spider and started ripping its legs one by one and a fish isn't much more in the land of intelligence than a spider.

AP, somewhere aroudn here ther''s a thread I started about a study that appeared to show that fish do fell pain.
And I object to your endothermism - fish are higly complex and varied vertebrates.

Ted C - once an animal has been ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs, ther'e not much pelt to be used.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-07-02 12:10pm

Speaking of Foxes.. we used to have these beautiful white fox pelts before they were "lost" during shipping. They were just beautiful to look at and feel.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-07-04 01:51pm

I dont mind hunting when its done for food, or to control populations. But using dogs to tear apart a fox for fun is not something I approve of.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-07-04 02:15pm

Foxhunt like bullfighting and dogfight are a type of entertainment for retards,who get their jollies by watching animal suffer,if they like blood so much why don`t they cut off their wrists.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-07-04 08:21pm

Fox are vermin, and there is nothing wrong with disposing of vermin. I'm still extremely uncomfortable with the needless cruelty, though.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-07-04 08:21pm

I think getting the dogs to rip it up is too creul. Why don't they just shoot the damn thing like they do when hunting every other animal? They're masters of inneficency.

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