Satanists & Murder/Mayhem

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-07-08 08:08pm

There have been stories about satanists murdering, kidnapping, and commiting other heneous acts for years. In the mid 90s, PBS did a front line episode debunking most of these. What I am curious is does anyone know any websites debunking these Myths about Satanism?

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-07-08 08:44pm

Try the FBI, their investigative reports into Satanic cult activities regularly turn up precisely nil. Those reports are also available on the website I believe.

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2003-07-08 11:34pm

There may have been some individuals, but nothing really organized.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-07-08 11:39pm

Saurencaerthai wrote:There may have been some individuals, but nothing really organized.

Blood Libel, all of it.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-07-08 11:39pm

Saurencaerthai wrote:There may have been some individuals, but nothing really organized.

I lived in the area where the McMartin pre-school abuse case began all this shit in the mid-eighties. Talk about your witch-hunt hysteria!
Those people's lives were ruined for nothing! And the goddamned child "experts" are probably living comfortable lives, and sleep well at night.
It's enough to put you off your food.....

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-07-08 11:40pm

there are more christians doing this then satanists. that speaks well enough. and lets not forget that the bible advocates these things while satanists oppose the bible.

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2003-07-09 12:26am

http://www.vampireofparis.com/thecellsL ... ornett.htm

At least one.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-07-09 12:37am

Wow.. ::claps:: She got a few JWs, good girl. That'll teach them to knock on her door again!

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-07-09 01:45am

Kitsune wrote:There have been stories about satanists murdering, kidnapping, and commiting other heneous acts for years. In the mid 90s, PBS did a front line episode debunking most of these. What I am curious is does anyone know any websites debunking these Myths about Satanism?

Go PBS!

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-09 03:24am

There have been a few cases of fanatical Satanists burning down churches and harrassing clergy, but that has primarly been in Europe. I can't recall hearing deliberate arson against churches in any other nations than Norway and Poland, so that "Satanic Panic" in the 1980s was probably just mass hysteria.

I'm also sure that some Satanists have killed other people, but I don't think that had any connection to their religious beliefs.

However, the average Church Of Satan member isn't likely to put anything or anyone on fire. In fact, the LaVeyian Satanists, who seem to be the far biggest Satanic denomination, follow a quite humanist philosophy. (the church-burners from Norway are generally considered kooks, even among other occultists. It doesn't help that most of them play in weird metal bands whose album covers usually resemble screen captures from a bad zombie movie)

lux · Post by **lux** » 2003-07-09 03:56am

Usually the ones that commit those violent acts just call themselves satanists, but don't actually know what they are talking about. As far as I know Satanists aren't really violent people at all. I also believe I read that Satanists were originally people who believed in science over religion.. known pretty much as an atheist now. But a little more on topic, no I havn't ever really heard of anything happening, even when I lived in Europe. I think it's pretty rare.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-09 07:54am

See? PBS does have its advantages!
At least during the evening.............

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-07-09 08:04am

weemadando wrote:Try the FBI, their investigative reports into Satanic cult activities regularly turn up precisely nil. Those reports are also available on the website I believe.

By the way, it should be noted that pagan/Wiccan does not equate to Satanic, no matter how "similar" they may be.

~ver

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2003-07-09 11:37am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:. (the church-burners from Norway are generally considered kooks, even among other occultists. It doesn't help that most of them play in weird metal bands whose album covers usually resemble screen captures from a bad zombie movie)

A la Bard Eithun, Tchort, Samoth, and Varg?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-07-09 12:20pm

Ah, public television... the intelligent person's choice for information.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-09 02:18pm

Saurencaerthai wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:. (the church-burners from Norway are generally considered kooks, even among other occultists. It doesn't help that most of them play in weird metal bands whose album covers usually resemble screen captures from a bad zombie movie)
A la Bard Eithun, Tchort, Samoth, and Varg?

Yes. I was almost waiting for some metal fan to mention Varg Vikernes. I've never been to Norway, but I suppose that in his home country he practically has the same status as Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson have in the USA.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-07-09 09:09pm

verilon wrote: By the way, it should be noted that pagan/Wiccan does not equate to Satanic, no matter how "similar" they may be.
~ver

I agree but I thought it was actually pretty obvious

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2003-07-09 11:59pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote: Yes. I was almost waiting for some metal fan to mention Varg Vikernes. I've never been to Norway, but I suppose that in his home country he practically has the same status as Jeffrey Dahmer and Charles Manson have in the USA.

Varg's still very much in his "must kill humanity" frame of mind right now, but what's interesting is that Bard (from what I've read) seems to have cooled down a bit.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-07-10 12:03am

If a self-professed Christian murders an abortion doctor, they say "man shoots abortion doctor". If a self-professed Satanist murders somebody, they say "Satanist slayings".

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-07-10 01:14am

Kitsune wrote:
verilon wrote: By the way, it should be noted that pagan/Wiccan does not equate to Satanic, no matter how "similar" they may be.
~ver
I agree but I thought it was actually pretty obvious

Obvious facts seem to slip the media's attention alot.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-10 05:52am

Saurencaerthai wrote: Varg's still very much in his "must kill humanity" frame of mind right now, but what's interesting is that Bard (from what I've read) seems to have cooled down a bit.

Where have you gleaned that info about Bard??

As for Varg, he was never an avatar of sanity and will never be one. At least not for the next 20 years.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-07-10 05:42pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote: Obvious facts seem to slip the media's attention alot.

True

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2003-07-10 06:24pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote: Where have you gleaned that info about Bard??

As for Varg, he was never an avatar of sanity and will never be one. At least not for the next 20 years.

Mainly, it was what I gathered from an interview when he was near the end of his imprisonment.

As for Varg, he's just one messed up fuck.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-07-10 08:46pm

There was a kid from my hometown that was on vacation near the border got killed in Matamoras, Mexico they found his body along around 30 others in a mass grave. It was at the time linked to the occult, it was implied at the time it was a Satanic cult. IIRC his name was Mark Kilroy, and now Santa Fe (Texas) has some sort of memorial for him somewhere.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-07-10 08:53pm

Death from the Sea wrote:There was a kid from my hometown that was on vacation near the border got killed in Matamoras, Mexico they found his body along around 30 others in a mass grave. It was at the time linked to the occult, it was implied at the time it was a Satanic cult. IIRC his name was Mark Kilroy, and now Santa Fe (Texas) has some sort of memorial for him somewhere.

I remember that, made the national news, bigtime.

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