Ban the bible

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-07-12 01:40am

It causes much more violence than any videogame, song, board game etc...
Just look.

The crusades: Knights, listen to clergy and try to take back the holy land, killing tens of thousands over hundreds of years of war
The spanish inquisition: The spainish church gets a free hand in religious descions, kills and tourtures thousands
Expansion through the Americas: European settlers used religion as an excuse to persecute and kill Native Americans

Yet no pc freak has yet tried to ban the bible, Why?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-12 01:44am

I'm sure someone, probably dozens of times has.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-07-12 01:47am

Yeah, communist china. But i mean i america or england or mabye canada the lands of pc idiocy.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-07-12 01:49am

It isn't PC freaks who try to ban things, it's PC freaks who try to regulate thought.
It's Fundies who don't know jack shit who attempt to blame violence in Vidgames for violence in rL.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-07-12 01:58am

Oh yeah. I always get my asshats confused

Equinox2003 · Post by **Equinox2003** » 2003-07-12 02:47am

Um....those events you listed were all centuries ago. What is banning
the Bible going to do, bring them back?

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-12 03:06am

darthdavid wrote:Yet no pc freak has yet tried to ban the bible, Why?

Because it would be an infringement upon freedom of religion!!

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-12 03:09am

Because its fucking retarded to ban books.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-07-12 03:09am

The constitution has never stopped idiots from trying to ban stuff before, why
now?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-07-12 06:39am

Not to defend crazy books or anything...but look at the timeframe you've given for the "evils the bible has caused"..it's like centuries dude, and if people hold something like a book close to their hearts and it tells them to believe the political power of the time, or the interpretation of it is thus, it would happen with any book.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-07-12 09:18am

darthdavid wrote:It causes much more violence than any videogame, song, board game etc...
Just look. *SNIP*

The Bible caused none of what you listed. Men bent on evil who used the Bible as an excuse to commit crime and murder caused what you listed. One can take a single passage from nearly anything in order to attempt to justify violence and mayhem. Banning the Bible would be a galactically stupid thing to do.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-07-12 09:43am

darthdavid wrote:It causes much more violence than any videogame, song, board game etc...
Just look.

The crusades: Knights, listen to clergy and try to take back the holy land, killing tens of thousands over hundreds of years of war
The spanish inquisition: The spainish church gets a free hand in religious descions, kills and tourtures thousands
Expansion through the Americas: European settlers used religion as an excuse to persecute and kill Native Americans

Yet no pc freak has yet tried to ban the bible, Why?

Because they'll get blasted by an army of angry Christians, that's why. If Quake's religious following had more clout, the'd crush those against them with ease.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-07-12 11:05am

If we ban the bible we're no better than the Christians.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-07-12 11:39am

you cant ban an idea.

you can however laugh at it.

loudly and cruelly.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-07-12 12:56pm

Gandalf wrote:If we ban the bible we're no better than the Christians.

So true.

Not to mention there's the freedom of religion. Banning one of the major texts (If not only to some groups) of Christianity would be a clear infringment of that.

Hell, wouldn't banning it be an infringment of the Freedom of Speech?

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-07-12 01:03pm

Good point. How about we ban all religious texts from government buildings. Except the white house, that happens to be the president's residence and it would be an infringement on his rights to ban it there. So no more swearing on a bible in court etc...(though you can still probably swear at the bible in court

)

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-07-12 02:06pm

Banning books is not only stupid, but unconstitutional. I don't care who banned what whenever, that doesn't make banning the Bible any less an injustice.

Yuri Prime · Post by **Yuri Prime** » 2003-07-12 02:16pm

Yeah we can't ban books, we'll just put it on the same shelf as Mein Kampf.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-07-12 03:38pm

jegs2 wrote:The Bible caused none of what you listed.

Yeah, it's not like the bible teaches that non-believers are evil or anything like that.

jegs2 wrote:Men bent on evil who used the Bible as an excuse to commit crime and murder caused what you listed.

Interresting how the bible has succesfully been used as an excuse for some of the most horrific attrocities in history despite the fact that it is infact a very benevolent book, from a kind and gentle god who would never kill thousands upon thousands for failing to live up to his standards.

jegs2 wrote:One can take a single passage from nearly anything in order to attempt to justify violence and mayhem.

Indeed, but in the case of the bible it is not just one sentance, it's dozens of verses.

jegs2 wrote:Banning the Bible would be a galactically stupid thing to do.

I agree, banning books is never a good idea, but if any book deserves to be banned the bible does.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-07-12 06:18pm

jegs2 wrote:
darthdavid wrote:It causes much more violence than any videogame, song, board game etc...
Just look. *SNIP*
One can take a single passage from nearly anything in order to attempt to justify violence and mayhem.

And yet, even with the past history of massive violence which can be directly traced back to the Bible, its editors haven't changed a god damn thing. If these "holy scriptures" are so vulnerable to abuse, then what exactly makes them holy?

EDIT: The whole point of this thread is that, with anal, yuppie, incompetent parents rushing to ban anything that might possibly lead to violent tendencies in their children, they skip over the Bible, which has the benefit of assumed righteousness. The reality is that the Bible has a higher body count than even the most skilled FPS-gamer could even dream of producing in any game, and virtually all of the death in the Bible is because of people praying to the wrong invisible man. At least in a FPS, you can argue self-defense (and in the case of Counter Strike, the War on Terror).

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-07-12 07:44pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
jegs2 wrote:The Bible caused none of what you listed.
Yeah, it's not like the bible teaches that non-believers are evil or anything like that.
jegs2 wrote:Men bent on evil who used the Bible as an excuse to commit crime and murder caused what you listed.
Interresting how the bible has succesfully been used as an excuse for some of the most horrific attrocities in history despite the fact that it is infact a very benevolent book, from a kind and gentle god who would never kill thousands upon thousands for failing to live up to his standards.
jegs2 wrote:One can take a single passage from nearly anything in order to attempt to justify violence and mayhem.
Indeed, but in the case of the bible it is not just one sentance, it's dozens of verses.
jegs2 wrote:Banning the Bible would be a galactically stupid thing to do.
I agree, banning books is never a good idea, but if any book deserves to be banned the bible does.

If I listed here the number of books folks want banned, you'd finsish reading it before you turned 100, maybe. Banning any literature is stupid, short-sighted, and idiotic. Why don't we gather around a great big bondfire, screaming, "Seig Heil!" while we burn all the books with which we find disagreement? At the same time, we'll gather up those who "don't belong" and those with who we disagree and ship them off to "relocation" camps, where they'll never be seen again. But be careful, or it might be you who winds up "relocated."

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-07-12 07:59pm

jegs2 wrote:If I listed here the number of books folks want banned, you'd finsish reading it before you turned 100, maybe.

However, the interesting thing is that if you excluded books which are hated for violating religious beliefs, the list would be far, far smaller. Once you take away books that are hated for religious reasons, all you have left is white-supremacist nonsense and things like "The Terrorist Handbook", all of which have an extremely tough time finding publishers and distributors anyway. And of course, the Bible

Banning any literature is stupid, short-sighted, and idiotic. Why don't we gather around a great big bondfire, screaming, "Seig Heil!" while we burn all the books with which we find disagreement?

Actually, there are many things which are banned. Publication of national-security information is not allowed. In many countries, publication of hate literature such as "Mein Kampf" is not allowed. While book-banning is not an ideal remedy, it does not necessarily make people into Nazis.

At the same time, we'll gather up those who "don't belong" and those with who we disagree and ship them off to "relocation" camps, where they'll never be seen again. But be careful, or it might be you who winds up "relocated."

Slippery slope fallacy.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-07-12 09:31pm

You know, if religion never existed, we'd still have massively bloody wars stretching far back into antiquity.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-07-12 09:57pm

HemlockGrey wrote:You know, if religion never existed, we'd still have massively bloody wars stretching far back into antiquity.

True, but we'd have less of them, and fewer people would be as eager to give up their lives. It's much easier to give up your life when you think Heaven awaits you, as opposed to silent, empty oblivion.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-07-12 10:04pm

True, but we'd have less of them, and fewer people would be as eager to give up their lives. It's much easier to give up your life when you think Heaven awaits you, as opposed to silent, empty oblivion.

I don't know if we'd have had less of them. When you cut through the dogma, religions are essentially differing, particulary esoteric ideas. Any difference in ideas invites conflict. Simply altering the ideas involved does not change the potential for conflict, unless they are completely identical.

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