Revelations Question

[Rye]

Ok, i haven't got the actual quotes, but from memory it goes a little like this:

Some angels do something with seals on urns. The four horsemen come out of a pit or hole or something, and then Hades follows them.

IIRC, it mentions Hades just as the other horsemen, and no indication is made that it's anything other than the greek god of the underworld. So what's going on? Why's there another god in here?

[Atomik Chicken]

I think Hades is, in this case, just another word for hell, not a specific entity like the Greek god Hades (known as Pluto to the Romans).

[Colonel Olrik]

First seal is opened : a white horse appears, its rider held a bow (conquest).

(Rev 6:1-8 NIV) I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" {2} I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

Second seal is opened : a red horse appears, its rider holds a sword (war)

{3} When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" {4} Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.

Third seal is opened: a black horse appears, its rider holds a pair of scales (famine)

{5} When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. {6} Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

Fourth seal is opened : a pale horse appears, its rider is called Death

{7} When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" {8} I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild

[Rye]

Well, i looked it up in the KJV, and it says "Hell" rather than Hades...so which is more accurate?

And was Hades actually changed properly to mean hell, or was it a mistranslation that made everyone think Hades meant hell...or what?

[Rye]

All answers lie here

So hades in revelations context does mean hell. But hell means concealment, hidden, not the hell of later christianity which includes fire and brimstone, but rather a place ALL souls, good and bad, go to after death, until the resurrection.

apparently, job prays to go there until the resurrection...

Although, i'm not too sure what it means when the hidden realm where souls go comes out after death...

Thoughts?

[Darth Gojira]

Cool! When do Ares, Poseidon, and Zeus show up?

[CJvR]

I always thought the four horsemen where:

War
Pestilence
Famine
Death

rather than the Colonel's

Conquest
War
Famine
Death

Different versions of the bible perhaps?

[SyntaxVorlon]

What about Ronnie Soak?

[Gil Hamilton]

I always thought the four horsemen where:

War
Pestilence
Famine
Death

rather than the Colonel's

Conquest
War
Famine
Death

Different versions of the bible perhaps?

Nah, the Conquerer is the first. Pestilence was a horsemen in Marvel comics though.

[SirNitram]

What about Ronnie Soak?

He left before they made it big.

[Rye]

MAybe this needs another thread, but it turns out our pal Yahweh used to have a wife, her name was Asherah, further indicating early israelites were polytheistic.

[Gil Hamilton]

MAybe this needs another thread, but it turns out our pal Yahweh used to have a wife, her name was Asherah, further indicating early israelites were polytheistic.

Very likely since, even old Hebrew texts refer to gods as in plural. After all, the word "elohim" which is translated commonly as "God" actually translates to "Gods" (the "-him" is always a plural ending in hebrew without exception).