DPDarkPrimus: hello
DaVinciinventer: your new to HSD...
DPDarkPrimus: yes
DaVinciinventer: Welcome
DaVinciinventer: how'd you find it?
DPDarkPrimus: a friend
DaVinciinventer: ah
DaVinciinventer: you debate? Or speech?
DPDarkPrimus: i debate
DPDarkPrimus: i'm still an amatur, compared to my friends, but i can hold my own
DaVinciinventer: so your in NCFCA?
DPDarkPrimus: i'm more towards religous debates
DaVinciinventer: yeah.... but are you in NCFCA?
DPDarkPrimus: NCFCA stands for...?
DaVinciinventer: National Christian Forensic Communication Association
DaVinciinventer: I think
DPDarkPrimus: since i am not a Christian, i am pretty sure i don't
DaVinciinventer: oh
DaVinciinventer: then what friend gave you the link to HSD?
DPDarkPrimus: a fellow atheist
DaVinciinventer: um
DaVinciinventer: atheist...?
DaVinciinventer: a sadist?
DaVinciinventer: are they the same?
DPDarkPrimus: you mean Adrian
DPDarkPrimus: ...
DPDarkPrimus: no
DaVinciinventer: yeah
DaVinciinventer: good
DaVinciinventer: wait
DaVinciinventer: but
DPDarkPrimus: atheist and sadist are completely seperate terms
DaVinciinventer: okay
DaVinciinventer: what is a atheist?
DPDarkPrimus: someone who doesn't have a religon, or believe in any god
DaVinciinventer: oh
DaVinciinventer: so you don't believe in anything?
DPDarkPrimus: not anything religious
DaVinciinventer: ah
DaVinciinventer: then what do you believe in?
DPDarkPrimus: it's not a belief as a religion, but i believe in science and the logical examination of the natural world
DaVinciinventer: you believe in evolution?
DPDarkPrimus: it is a sound theory, yes
DaVinciinventer: so you think we were formed by ROCKS?
DPDarkPrimus: ...
DPDarkPrimus: where in the theory of evolution does it say life came from rocks?
DaVinciinventer: well
DaVinciinventer: you guys say that
DPDarkPrimus: life was first formed by a combination of amino acids
DaVinciinventer: something exploded... and then earth cooled down
DPDarkPrimus: and NONE OF "us guys" say that
DPDarkPrimus: no, THE UNIVERSE came from rocks
DPDarkPrimus: life came from amino acids
DaVinciinventer: so
DaVinciinventer: your saying you came from a FISH?
DaVinciinventer: a MONKEY?
DPDarkPrimus: yes
DPDarkPrimus: ever notice how similar monkys and humans are?
DaVinciinventer: yes
DaVinciinventer: but where then are the creatures in between?
DPDarkPrimus: fossils
DPDarkPrimus: they died out because they couldn't evovle
DPDarkPrimus: whereas we did
DaVinciinventer: so
DPDarkPrimus: that is evolution for you
DaVinciinventer: you think pple were really once a fish?
DPDarkPrimus: not a fish, perhaps, but a creature from the sea
DaVinciinventer: ah
DaVinciinventer: how is it POSSIBLE that it culd change?
DPDarkPrimus: it isn't known whether humans evolved from a fish or some other sort of change
DPDarkPrimus: how is it possible?
DaVinciinventer: yes
DPDarkPrimus: genes. DNA.
DaVinciinventer: we haven't evolved some more
DPDarkPrimus: mutation
DaVinciinventer: yes
DPDarkPrimus: we are ALWAYS evolving
DaVinciinventer: how come we haven't evolved anymore?
DPDarkPrimus: we ARE
DPDarkPrimus: every generation, we evolve
DaVinciinventer: so your saying sooner or later we are going to be like something different?
DPDarkPrimus: however, due to our worldwide travel and such, we have slowed our own evolution down... and evolution takes hundreds or thousands of years, anyways
DPDarkPrimus: exactly what i am saying... (unless we die out as a species)
DaVinciinventer: okay...
DaVinciinventer: one second
DPDarkPrimus: sure
DaVinciinventer: debating TWO things at once
DPDarkPrimus: evolution happens quickest in seclusion, that is why humans are changing so slowly
DaVinciinventer: so then how old do you think the world is?
DPDarkPrimus: a few billion years, give or take
DPDarkPrimus: how about you?
DaVinciinventer: oh
DaVinciinventer: hmm
DaVinciinventer: well, it's been 2000 years since Jesus.... so maybe about 6000 or 5000
DPDarkPrimus: oh?
DaVinciinventer: yeah
DPDarkPrimus: what proof do you have that the universe (never mind the earth) is only 6000 years old?
DaVinciinventer: more or less....
DaVinciinventer: well...
DPDarkPrimus: not the Bible
DPDarkPrimus: scientific proof
DaVinciinventer: huh?
DaVinciinventer: um
DaVinciinventer: I'm slow cause I'm debating two pple
DPDarkPrimus: i'm sure
DaVinciinventer: um
DaVinciinventer: well, you see... there was the flood....
DaVinciinventer: and that is true
DPDarkPrimus: is it?
DPDarkPrimus: what proof of the flood?
DPDarkPrimus: wait
DaVinciinventer: many things
DPDarkPrimus: do you mind if i get some math calculations of the Biblical flood?
DaVinciinventer: like the BIG mountain range under the sea
DPDarkPrimus: wait a second, please
DaVinciinventer: huh?
DPDarkPrimus: Total surface area of Earth: 510,072,000 sq km
Highest elevation: 8.85 km
Thus:
510,072,000 * 8.8 = 4,488,633,600
Or four and a half billion cubic kilometers of water required to cover the earth deeply enough to submerge all land. A cubic kilometer of water ought to weigh a billion tons, so:
4,488,633,600 * 1,000,000,000 = 4.48e+18
Or four and a half quintillion tons of matter striking the earth. Assuming a terminal velocity of nine meters per second, which is what I found for the speed of a downpour-level raindrop, we use...
KE = 1/2 * M * V^2
This gives us an energy release of roughly 1.81e+23 joules. There are 4.184e+12 joules in a kiloton, giving us an energy yield for the flood equal to...
43,448,771,701
Forty three billion kilotons, or not quite three billion Hiroshima bombs
DaVinciinventer: jas
DPDarkPrimus: do you know why that is impossible?
DPDarkPrimus: other than the fact that there isn't enough water on the earth to flood all land
DaVinciinventer: um
DPDarkPrimus: The problem with the flood is that energy doesnt just disappear. Energy must be conserved. When a raindrop or any other moving object strikes another object the energy of that collision must go somewhere and often it becomes heat. In the case of the flood the combined kinetic energy of the raindrops striking the earth would be converted at least partially into heat and thus the temperature of the earth would be increased and unless the earth can radiate that energy over those 40 days at the same rate as it is absorbing that energy it will increase in temperature potentially to 100 C at which point the water on earth boils and everything living that wasnt already dead is poached.
DaVinciinventer: I didn't get that
DPDarkPrimus: read
DaVinciinventer: I wilol
DaVinciinventer: *will
DaVinciinventer: jas
DPDarkPrimus: all the energy of the rain would cause the world's temperature to raise so high that the water would boil, killing all life on earth
DPDarkPrimus: ALL LIFE
DaVinciinventer: okay
DaVinciinventer: you see
DPDarkPrimus: i do see
DaVinciinventer: before the flood, it rained from the ground
DPDarkPrimus: how does it rain from the ground?
DPDarkPrimus: that defies the definition of rain
DaVinciinventer: well... it comes up out of the ground
DaVinciinventer: well
DaVinciinventer: not rain
DaVinciinventer: but the water didn't come DOWN, it came up
DPDarkPrimus: where in the bible does it say that?
DaVinciinventer: huh... it doesn't... but some Christian Geologist or whatever have found that out
DaVinciinventer: and also
DaVinciinventer: ever heard of Noah?
DPDarkPrimus: find me the proof
DPDarkPrimus: yes, i have heard of Noah
DPDarkPrimus: can i post the measurements of his ark?
DaVinciinventer: lol
DaVinciinventer: I know... well, actually I forget
DPDarkPrimus: it's in the BIble
DPDarkPrimus: just a sec
DaVinciinventer: yes
DaVinciinventer: it is
DPDarkPrimus: Make yourself an ark of gopher wood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks.
DPDarkPrimus: Genesis 5:14-16
DPDarkPrimus: Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him.
DaVinciinventer: let me read
DPDarkPrimus: Genesis 5:22
DPDarkPrimus: now, there was an experiment done by British scientists in 1910. they built a model of the ark to scale with those measurements... and the boat snapped in half when they put it in water
DaVinciinventer: lol
DaVinciinventer: what do you trust? Some British experiment or the real thing
DaVinciinventer: a LOT of expriments have been wrong
DPDarkPrimus: the "real thing"? there is no proof there was a "real thing"
DaVinciinventer: yes there is
DaVinciinventer: the Bible
DPDarkPrimus: the Bible has not been proven to be historically accurate
DPDarkPrimus: nor is it scientifically accurate
DaVinciinventer: oh yes it has
DPDarkPrimus: by WHOM? using WHAT EVIDENCE?
DPDarkPrimus: give me links, please
DaVinciinventer: I don't have the links
DPDarkPrimus: then you are just saying words
DaVinciinventer: Okay
DPDarkPrimus: words that can have as much truth in them as your precious Bible
DaVinciinventer: then how can everything be SO perfect?
DPDarkPrimus: how is everything so perfect? there are millions of people dying of AIDS in Africa as we speak. in Thiland, girls 10 years old are sold into prostitution and raped daily. in the Middle East, people kill innocents because of religous beliefs. in America, 5% of the nation controls more than 50% of the wealth, while hundreds of thousands of people don't even have a house.
DPDarkPrimus: i hardly call that perfect
DaVinciinventer: brb
DPDarkPrimus: and that's not even counting all the black holes, colliding galaxies, etc, that are in the rest of the universe
DaVinciinventer: back.... let me read
DPDarkPrimus: sure, take your time, i'll brb too
DPDarkPrimus: getting a drink
DaVinciinventer: ROFL
DaVinciinventer: okay
DaVinciinventer: but
DaVinciinventer: I'm not talking about that kind of perfect
DPDarkPrimus: oh? then, please, how do you define perfect?
DaVinciinventer: I mean
DaVinciinventer: not that type of perfect
DaVinciinventer: but how is the body of a person SO perfectly formed?
DaVinciinventer: if it was by evolution?
DPDarkPrimus: perfectly formed?
DPDarkPrimus: you mean, all those people born with weak hearts, Down's Syndrome, deformed limbs, blindness, that?
DPDarkPrimus: or people who need glasses, or an inhaler, or a pacemaker?
DaVinciinventer: that is DNA disform
DaVinciinventer: but a healthy child
DPDarkPrimus: no
DaVinciinventer: how is it so perfectly formed?
DPDarkPrimus: quiet
DPDarkPrimus: you said the body of a person
DPDarkPrimus: you never said what sort of person
DaVinciinventer: lol
DaVinciinventer: I mean
DPDarkPrimus: and people who are my age, or older, start losing their eyesight
DaVinciinventer: yes, a heathly
DPDarkPrimus: if the body was perfect, then the eyes wouldn't weaken
DaVinciinventer: lol
DaVinciinventer: I don't mean it that way
DPDarkPrimus: you are contradicting yourself
DPDarkPrimus: what DO you mean, then?
DPDarkPrimus: and please, say what you actually mean this tiem
DaVinciinventer: the bones structer and all
DPDarkPrimus: there are plenty of people born with deformed bones
DaVinciinventer: I'm not talking about them
DaVinciinventer: they have bad DNA form and all
DPDarkPrimus: you know, it would be more effecient if our knees went the other way
DPDarkPrimus: if they were on the back of our legs
DaVinciinventer: like a flamingo?
DPDarkPrimus: no
DPDarkPrimus: to proportion
DPDarkPrimus: with us
DPDarkPrimus: not like a flamingo's
DaVinciinventer: huh?
DPDarkPrimus: but the knee joints would be the same
DPDarkPrimus: oh, and by the way
DPDarkPrimus: you lost
DPDarkPrimus: you mentioned DNA
DPDarkPrimus: DNA=evolution
DaVinciinventer: ROFL
DaVinciinventer: DNA isn't evolution
DPDarkPrimus: unless you think that every person born has the exact same DNA pattern?
DaVinciinventer: no
DPDarkPrimus: evolution
DaVinciinventer: God made each and everysingle snowflake different
DPDarkPrimus: actually
DPDarkPrimus: the freezing of water molcules makes snowflakes
DPDarkPrimus: but nice false analogy
DaVinciinventer: huh?
DPDarkPrimus: you said DNA changes affect the phenotype, thus, deformaties in babies
DPDarkPrimus: that is proof of evolution
DaVinciinventer: no
DPDarkPrimus: mutations in genes is evolution
DPDarkPrimus: mutations aren't always positive
DPDarkPrimus: but those negative mutations usually don't survive to reproduce
DPDarkPrimus: of course, due to human interferance, we keep humans with inferior genes alive, thus leading to slower evolution
DPDarkPrimus: you know, saying "no" doesn't make it wrong
DaVinciinventer: oh boy
DaVinciinventer: now I"m starting to get confused
DPDarkPrimus: that's the logic at work
DaVinciinventer: lol
DaVinciinventer: I have to debate two pple
DPDarkPrimus: not a valid excuse
DPDarkPrimus: you could have waited to debate me
DaVinciinventer: then can I?
DPDarkPrimus: sure, why not
DaVinciinventer: okay
DaVinciinventer: thanks!
To be continued, obviously.
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