Creationism vs. Evolution thread at theForce.net

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-10-15 03:46pm

There's an individual named "_Darth_Brooks_"on the boards in that thread (in the Senate Forum) who I believe seriously needs the Imperial Smackdown (tm). He consistently argues against anything anti-fundamentalist and when I tore apart a fundie's weak arguement, he accuses me of stupidity and personal attacks. No one on the boards particularly likes him and his behavior has earned him several bannings. If anyone on the forum has an account on the JC forums, help delievering the smackdown to him there and elsewhere would be appreciated.

Imperial Smackdown(tm) Needed Here!

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-15 04:18pm

I read a significant portion of the thread, and it's a long one. Them's some serious assholery goin' down over them there parts.

There are a couple of ignorant creationists there, but that one guy you mentioned is equal parts Azeron and Creationist.

Frankly, the debate should have been squashed long ago on that thread, but the anti-creationists are letting themselves get dragged around in a variety of nasty and deliberately deceptive debate tactics. You just need to focus on one thing at a time, point out logical fallacies and errors, and try to pin the bastards down.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-10-15 04:57pm

TF.N is full of bible thumpers and annoying ones at that.

Here's a good quote from a mod there

Okay, I'm locking this thread since it's headed vastly off course.

And would people take this as a warning: Do NOT attack a person for their beliefs on a subject. Just because they believe in something that you do not does not give you right to question that.

So basically you're not allowed to disagree with someone according to this one...

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-10-15 05:19pm

I say we invite him here, and shoot down his arguments. People like him only thrive on other forums because they don't face good enough opposition.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-10-15 05:59pm

OK, let me get this straight. We have creationist here, creationist at SB.com, creationist at B5Tech, and creationist at TF.net. What is this, the fucking Creationist Tet Offensive?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-15 08:00pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:OK, let me get this straight. We have creationist here, creationist at SB.com, creationist at B5Tech, and creationist at TF.net. What is this, the fucking Creationist Tet Offensive?

Not really. Creationists come here if they enjoy getting ass-raped. They get slightly warmer receptions at SB.com or B5Tech, and they get a downright friendly reception at TheForce.Net.

You see, one of the head TF.N guys (Josh) is a Southern Baptist (read: fundie idiot). I still remember how he ranted on the TF.N front-page about how Landover Baptist Church was an evil, evil, cruel and unfunny satire site that should be taken off the Internet (even though it's side-splittingly funny if you're not a fundie). I've also seen E-mail he sent to Galvatron (don't ask) about how people who seriously study the subject invariably see that evolution theory doesn't work

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-10-15 08:09pm

*SKSs are heard loading* We're going hunt some Rednecks. Hehehe

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-10-15 08:59pm

Well, there are some good creationist debunkers over there, especially Darth Snowdog (I am Lord_Darth_Bob, but I've grown very sick of the horseshit infecting the forums). Brownie points for those who've bothered to weather the bull and continue to fight for reason over there. Sadly I've grown disillusioned by Darth Brooks' trollfest.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-15 09:05pm

Please, oh God, PLEASE! Do NOT invite Darth Brooks here. He is TROLL all over. Back about a year or so ago, he troll the fuck out of alt.fan.wedge. Never contributes anything of intelligence.

I'm begging you. LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-10-15 09:09pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Please, oh God, PLEASE! Do NOT invite Darth Brooks here. He is TROLL all over. Back about a year or so ago, he troll the fuck out of alt.fan.wedge. Never contributes anything of intelligence.

I'm begging you. LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Oh, come on it'd be fun too watch.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-10-15 09:37pm

You know you can hear the Imperial March....

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-10-15 09:57pm

It just got worse: on the Senate there is now a serious thread on dinosaurs and man coexisting.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-16 08:17am

Don't worry, Kelly. He wouldn't last a week over here. He may be a troll, an asshole, and an idiot, but the people on this board range from decent to extremely skilled debaters.

Users here like Stormbringer, Wong, Spanky and Bean have degrees in Troll-killing from the university of Trolldeath, and have since moved on to being professors of Trollhunting at WeHateTrolls College in Trollstomp, Notrollia.

We'd be fine against his particular brand of lunacy.

Rhadamanthus · Post by **Rhadamanthus** » 2002-10-16 01:14pm

If I didn't know that there was nothing, I'd wish the Creationists would come up with something else that they think proves evolution wrong.

Irreducable Complexity and the "Ordered Universe" get tiring.

and Jesus......Darth Brooks is just.....I don't even know what to say, he doesn't even appear to register counter-arguments, he is fixed on his "truth" and automatically disregards any disagreement as wrong.

I'm really inclined to support a required IQ test before being allowed to procreate

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-10-16 03:30pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:OK, let me get this straight. We have creationist here, creationist at SB.com, creationist at B5Tech, and creationist at TF.net. What is this, the fucking Creationist Tet Offensive?

Creationists make up around 44% of the US population. They're not going on the offensive; they have simply always been here.

Source:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/ ... 90816.html

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-16 03:38pm

Enlightenment wrote:Creationists make up around 44% of the US population. They're not going on the offensive; they have simply always been here.

Source:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/ ... 90816.html

It won't seem like much to any of you, but I actually ground my teeth while reading that news story. Whether it's true or made-up statistics, the THOUGHT of that story being true made me grind my teeth. I NEVER grind my goddamn teeth. That is, ladies and gents, pure Pissoff In A Can.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-10-16 08:26pm

Lagmonster wrote:
Enlightenment wrote:Creationists make up around 44% of the US population. They're not going on the offensive; they have simply always been here.

Source:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/ ... 90816.html
It won't seem like much to any of you, but I actually ground my teeth while reading that news story. Whether it's true or made-up statistics, the THOUGHT of that story being true made me grind my teeth. I NEVER grind my goddamn teeth. That is, ladies and gents, pure Pissoff In A Can.

Aye. Fucking idiot American sheep. Burn the Consumer Collective.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-16 10:49pm

I find it amusing how some people believe that religious freedom is the source of fundamentalist strength. That is bullshit; America has religious freedom on paper, but in practice, not only is there much greater church interference in government than in most other first-world nations, but there is one particular form of religious freedom which is almost nonexistent in North America: the freedom to criticize religion.

What's the first thing you hear out of some idiot fundie's mouth if you say something bad about the Bible? "How DARE you criticize someone's beliefs?" Why the fuck is it wrong to criticize someone's beliefs? Can someone explain that? What happens when you go to TheForce.Net and criticize the Bible? They shut you down and tell you that you can't criticize a belief system.

It is the fucking SACRED COW of Americans; their bizarre belief that it's OK to criticize anything and everything under the Sun ... unless it's a religion. That is why idiotic beliefs such as creationism are so easily taught in America; because they are "beliefs", people feel as if they're not allowed to cut loose on them the way they would against any other ideology (eg- communism), so they exist in a vacuum of criticism, controversy, or serious opposition.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-10-16 11:45pm

If you'll notice, no one ever held Islam responsible for the attacks of September 11. "It wasn't the belief system's fault; people were perverting the belief system. Islam is a religion of peace, after all!"

Bullshit. Honestly, where exactly does everyone think they pull this stuff from? Thin air? It's all in the fucking Koran!

Why do you think America, as a whole, has such a hateful sentiment toward atheists? 90% of the American population seems to subscribe to the bizarre idea that "Religion = Spirituality = Good". Where the fuck does this come from? Why is spirituality suddenly the be-all and end-all of traits someone can have? What the fuck has prayer ever done for anyone in a physical capacity? Nothing.

What's even funnier is when you're accused of being "closed-minded" for simply not giving consideration to logically invalid ideas, like the existence of god. "Open-minded" has gone from meaning "tolerant and accepting of others' beliefs" to "fucking gullible." Hell, someone's "beliefs" or "cultural heritage" apparently trumps observed fact in Alabama!

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-10-17 12:17am

Durandal wrote:If you'll notice, no one ever held Islam responsible for the attacks of September 11. "It wasn't the belief system's fault; people were perverting the belief system. Islam is a religion of peace, after all!"

Bullshit. Honestly, where exactly does everyone think they pull this stuff from? Thin air? It's all in the fucking Koran!

When I heard that, I started snickering.

Don't these morons know anything about Islam?

That "kill the infidels" part is not made up!

And I held Islam responsible, but I guess I was in the minority.

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2002-10-18 03:21am

Durandal wrote: Why do you think America, as a whole, has such a hateful sentiment toward atheists? 90% of the American population seems to subscribe to the bizarre idea that "Religion = Spirituality = Good". Where the fuck does this come from? Why is spirituality suddenly the be-all and end-all of traits someone can have? What the fuck has prayer ever done for anyone in a physical capacity? Nothing.

For some reason, what you just said Durandal reminded me of a story I saw while flipping the channels. (I think it was Animal Planet or something, and they were having stuff about snakes on, so I stopped to see.)

Anyway, the story basically summed up was that this Reverend of a church in the Midwest where they do that snake-dancing shit (can't for the life of me remember what it's called) counter-acted his wife's accusations of cheating on her with another church-goer by putting a gun to her head, marching her out to the snake shed, and forcing her to choose between a bullet and a snake bite. (the snakes were two varities of rattlers, as I recall). Of course she got bit. All while he yelled shit about trusting her faith and whatnot. Then he promised to take her to the hospital. Did he? Of course not. He went to the liquor store (heh) and several other places, but never took her there.

Then as her hand blackened and basically looked like the claw of a mumified corpse, he forced her to write a false suicide note. The took her back to the shed for another bite. This time she didn't get bit. He repeated this again later, and she got bit a second time in the palm. The venom wen straight to her brain, and she barely survived. (she managed to call 911 after he'd passed out while she was fading in and out of consciousness.) She spent 12 days recovering from it.

Yep. Good 'ole "love your fellow man" type religious thing to do, Rev.

And people wonder why I'm a agnostic.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-18 03:27am

What you are refering to is a cult, hardly representative of Christianity, even the Fundamentalists.

It is however, equal to JW.

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2002-10-18 03:47am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What you are refering to is a cult, hardly representative of Christianity, even the Fundamentalists.

It is however, equal to JW.

Indeed. But the point I was trying to make was that Christianity, and most/alot of it's sects or cults if you will, makes a damn hard attempt at pointing the finger at all us "heathens", while ignoring their own hypocrisy.

More blood has been shed in the name of god than any modern war on this planet.

Spoonist · Post by **Spoonist** » 2002-10-18 07:27am

Lord_Xerxes wrote:More blood has been shed in the name of god than any modern war on this planet.

Um, last time I checked we still do it in the name of god even in modern warfare...
Actually I can't come up with any war, that people haven't had a religious figure blessing the troops, hence spilling blood in the name of god.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2002-10-18 08:07am

Religion=millions of gallons of blood. All religions suck.