Child porn

[BoredShirtless]

What is it with child porn? So many people are getting caught lately. But why would sex with children excite someone? A childs body isn't sexy, it's flat with no curves so it can't be physical attraction. So what kind of mentality do they have?

[Zac Naloen]

Most people are getting busted for looking at 15/16 year olds. Not 5 year olds.



Which is where the line gets blurry cos some 15/16 year olds are curvy and all that stuff.

There was a case in uk of 16 year old getting busted for having a pic of a naked 17 year old. Not sure what the outcome of that was but it just seemed totally moronic to me at the time.

There are always exceptions though, but there are people being labelled with pedofilia when are they are really doing is following their instincts. Im not advocating this behaviour though, all it requires is self control.

[Lord of the Farce]

What is it with child porn? So many people are getting caught lately. But why would sex with children excite someone? A childs body isn't sexy, it's flat with no curves so it can't be physical attraction. So what kind of mentality do they have?

They have completely fucked up sexuality? The low number of people involved with the mainstream sex industry being convicted of child sex crimes seems to indicate that to be the case.

[Lord of the Farce]

Most people are getting busted for looking at 15/16 year olds. Not 5 year olds.

Which is where the line gets blurry cos some 15/16 year olds are curvy and all that stuff.

There was a case in uk of 16 year old getting busted for having a pic of a naked 17 year old. Not sure what the outcome of that was but it just seemed totally moronic to me at the time.

I guess it doesn't help when there are 16 year olds (or younger) that can easily pass for well over mid-20s, and people well over mid-20s who pass easily for 18 year olds (or younger).

[Zac Naloen]

Most people are getting busted for looking at 15/16 year olds. Not 5 year olds.

Which is where the line gets blurry cos some 15/16 year olds are curvy and all that stuff.

There was a case in uk of 16 year old getting busted for having a pic of a naked 17 year old. Not sure what the outcome of that was but it just seemed totally moronic to me at the time.

I guess it doesn't help when there are 16 year olds (or younger) that can easily pass for well over mid-20s, and people well over mid-20s who pass easily for 18 year olds (or younger).

and also that when you turn 16 in the uk you can legally get the real thing anyway. Our laws are totally confusing on his matter.

[InnerBrat]

I have no idea what the psychology behind paedophilia (the preference, not the act) is, so I went to Google to have a look.

I didn't find much explaining the attraction, but I did find a damn disturbing site: http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/

This Essay was written by a paedophile attempting to explain paedophilia. The entire site operates on a principle of "children can give consent", so be warned, some of what he describes is just... *shudder*

[Enforcer Talen]

yeah. . . always gets complicated when the 15-16 yr olds get their curves.

she did look legal. seriously.

[PainRack]

Where I work, there are 2 16 years old, who look like they're 18-20, and 1 16 year old, who looks like 25. Hell, I seriously thought she was my age group, or slightly older than me, imagine my shock when I discovered her age. And it doesn't help that people think I'm in my thirties or mid twenties either............

[Enforcer Talen]

and, of course, keeping sexually repressed for a few years just adds spice. see religious orders for examples.

[dragon]

Hell the US military sets the age of consent at 16. So you can have sex with them but can't take pictures of them. I've seen a 17 year old that got busted for having a picture of his 17 year old wife.

[Sean Howard]

check out this story:

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=71923

A 13 year old busted for having naked pictures of himself

[Enforcer Talen]

Im lovin this legal system.

[Korvan]

The reason you are seeing a lot of pedophiles being caught is because there are a whole fuck load of them out in the world. I have some friends who worked as lifeguards at public pools and their "creepy old man" file was as thick as a phone book.

Being a pedoophile doesn't mean you have raped or molested kids, and I do feel sympathy for those that haven't messed up any kids lives. Once a pedophile has actually done something to a kid, I lose all sympathy. They can't control their sexuality, but they sure as hell can control their actions.
Being a pedophile must suck, you have these feelings that you know are wrong (or at least you should know) but you can't tell anyone about them, you can't ask for help because of the witchhunt mentality our society has about pedophiles.

So the pedophile has to repress his sexuality and maybe he succeeds, or maybe he starts to come up with bullshit ideas about kids and consent, and since he can't share these ideas to have them shot down they can grow in power.
Just like the war on drugs and terrorism, a war on pedophilia can't be won by reacting to events once they have occured. As a society we need to come up with workable solutions and create an environment in which a pedophile can feel safe to come forward and ask for help.

[BoredShirtless]

They can't control their sexuality, but they sure as hell can control their actions.

So who controls their sexuality, God? If they purposely desire children, they are in control. If they "just can't help it" it's because they are cowards who choose not to seek help; choice is control.

Being a pedophile must suck, you have these feelings that you know are wrong (or at least you should know) but you can't tell anyone about them, you can't ask for help because of the witchhunt mentality our society has about pedophiles.

Assuming you're talking exclusively about the "can't help it" crowd, they are weak and choose not to seek help. I really don't have any sympthy for people who could be better if they wanted too, but don't because it would be "embarrassing". Why would a psychologist turn in someone who seeks help?

Just like the war on drugs and terrorism, a war on pedophilia can't be won by reacting to events once they have occured. As a society we need to come up with workable solutions and create an environment in which a pedophile can feel safe to come forward and ask for help.

Huh? It already is safe. Just make an appointment with a shrink.

[General Zod]

They can't control their sexuality, but they sure as hell can control their actions.

So who controls their sexuality, God? If they purposely desire children, they are in control. If they "just can't help it" it's because they are cowards who choose not to seek help; choice is control.

just like homosexuals 'choose' to be attracted to and desire members of the same sex, right?

Assuming you're talking exclusively about the "can't help it" crowd, they are weak and choose not to seek help. I really don't have any sympthy for people who could be better if they wanted too, but don't because it would be "embarrassing". Why would a psychologist turn in someone who seeks help?

there's being attracted, and then actually acting on that attraction. slight difference there, and it's not exactly like the vast majority of people actually choose who, or in some cases what they're attracted to.

[fgalkin]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Lord Pounder]

I have just one question, how in the name off good fuck can a child give consent? I remember one case in my violuntry work where a 15 yo girl had been assaulted by her 30yo boyfriend, as it turned out the scum bag had spent a year grooming her over a chatroom and when she turned him down he beat the shit outta her. There is no excuse for peadophillia are scum that needs removed from society, in the most painful way possible.

[BoredShirtless]

They can't control their sexuality, but they sure as hell can control their actions.

So who controls their sexuality, God? If they purposely desire children, they are in control. If they "just can't help it" it's because they are cowards who choose not to seek help; choice is control.

just like homosexuals 'choose' to be attracted to and desire members of the same sex, right?

I guess so. If a guy likes being attracted to other guys, so what? It isn't bad nor is it a problem. Where did homosexuals come from anyway? There is a massive difference between homosexuals and pedophiles.

Assuming you're talking exclusively about the "can't help it" crowd, they are weak and choose not to seek help. I really don't have any sympthy for people who could be better if they wanted too, but don't because it would be "embarrassing". Why would a psychologist turn in someone who seeks help?

there's being attracted, and then actually acting on that attraction. slight difference there, and it's not exactly like the vast majority of people actually choose who, or in some cases what they're attracted to.

Of course there's a difference between being attracted to children only, and acting on that attraction. Did I say there wasn't?

[BoredShirtless]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Why not "tennis players" or "chocolate"? You can't replace pedophilia with homsexuality in my argument without distorting it into some freak construct.

[fgalkin]

BS, substitute "homosexuality" for "pedophilia" in your arguments and see where it takes you.


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Why not "tennis players" or "chocolate"? You can't replace pedophilia with homsexuality in my argument without distorting it into some freak construct.

Sure I can. If pedophilia is hard-wired into the brain, you can't change it any more than you can become straight.

Now, that's not to say that pedophilia is good, because it involves the rape of a child, but I think that pedophiles should recieve help to stop them from acting out their desires, precisely because this would prevent cases of them abusing a child.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Lord Pounder]

The difference is homosexuals DO NOT hurt or harm the people they have sex with. An adult is mature enough to accept the consequences of being with a member of the same sex.

On a related note sexuality cannot be chosen, i didn't wake up one day and decide "hey i wanna fuck other men up the ass" why the hell would i chose a sexuality that causes me to be disowned by my extended family? I question the idea that Peadophilia is a sexuality, it's is a twisted form is rapism IMHO

[BoredShirtless]

Sure I can. If pedophilia is hard-wired into the brain, you can't change it any more than you can become straight.

We are masters of our desires and actions; we have total control to change them, if that's what we want. Pedophilia is wrong, we all know that, hence pedophiles can try getting help if they want to change. Let me expand on my incomplete argument; seeking help doesn't guarentee change. But if they DON'T change, despite our best efforts to help them, they are weak minded and deserve our disrespect and condemnation....with a side dish of us failing a little too in our treatment I guess.

[fgalkin]

The difference is homosexuals DO NOT hurt or harm the people they have sex with. An adult is mature enough to accept the consequences of being with a member of the same sex.

Exactly. Which is why acting out one's homosexulaity is acceptable (unless you're a fundie), whereas actiong out one's pedophilia is not.

On a related note sexuality cannot be chosen, i didn't wake up one day and decide "hey i wanna fuck other men up the ass" why the hell would i chose a sexuality that causes me to be disowned by my extended family? I question the idea that Peadophilia is a sexuality, it's is a twisted form is rapism IMHO

Well, that's the iffy part. There is a drive for men to find the youngest possible mates, so pedophelia might be a fucked up variation threof.

Using your example, why would someone choose a sexuality that causes one to be treated like the scum of the earth?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[fgalkin]

Sure I can. If pedophilia is hard-wired into the brain, you can't change it any more than you can become straight.

We are masters of our desires and actions; we have total control to change them, if that's what we want. Pedophilia is wrong, we all know that, hence pedophiles can try getting help if they want to change. Let me expand on my incomplete argument; seeking help doesn't guarentee change. But if they DON'T change, despite our best efforts to help them, they are weak minded and deserve our disrespect and condemnation....with a side dish of us failing a little too in our treatment I guess.

You can't control your desires. Merely your actions. Seeking help won't CHANGE pedophiles, but it would prevent them from actiong out their desires.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[BoredShirtless]

You can't control your desires.

We desire things because we want to consume or experience them. Wanting something however is naturally connected to our judgement, which itself is built around morals. If you desire something you knew was immoral or wrong [for whatever reason], then you would nautrally ask yourself "why waste time desiring something which isn't good?". So by questioning your desires, by logically showing they are wrong, you can stop them.

Merely your actions. Seeking help won't CHANGE pedophiles, but it would prevent them from actiong out their desires.

Your argument trips on the unproven conclusion that we don't control our own desires. Who does then?