Disturbing Article

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

I'm not going to preface this except to say that it seems to be a deeply disturbing reinforcement of something I and many others have suspected but been ridiculed for for awhile now:

http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth13.html

[Zoink]

From the Marxist point of view, it all began by chance, for it was by chance that life and man emerged. In the beginning, there was nothing except eternal matter with its meaningless laws. This matter and everything that goes on in it certainly were not created, for there is no God and if, as Soviet Marxism claims, for example, there is a difference between matter and mind, it certainly was matter which existed first and generated out of its womb life and mind. The world began and, in fact, always existed as meaningless matter. When, one day, as Engels explicitly predicted, man will disappear, there again will exist nothing except dumb matter....

This Marx guy almost has it. I know a few fundies that need some of this Marxification the article speaks of.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

From the Marxist point of view, it all began by chance, for it was by chance that life and man emerged. In the beginning, there was nothing except eternal matter with its meaningless laws. This matter and everything that goes on in it certainly were not created, for there is no God and if, as Soviet Marxism claims, for example, there is a difference between matter and mind, it certainly was matter which existed first and generated out of its womb life and mind. The world began and, in fact, always existed as meaningless matter. When, one day, as Engels explicitly predicted, man will disappear, there again will exist nothing except dumb matter....

This Marx guy almost has it. I know a few fundies that need some of this Marxification the article speaks of.

Hey, I don't particularly care what other people believe in one way or the other; but when people are indoctrinated in either believing or not believing for political reasons I tend to find that more than a little suspicious. Slippery slopes aside, once you make people see one thing their progenitors revered as being stupid, it gets easier to indoctrinate them to see more and more of their way of life as stupid, too. First we make fun of something that doesn't matter; once you accept that, we'll move on to getting rid of some things that do.

I think I'd better lay off a bit, before I end up as SD.Net's Official Conspiracy Theorist. lol

[Darth Wong]

The person who wrote that article is a classic McCartyhist. He seamlessly mixes atheism, science, and Marxism together into one conjoined concept, and then not-so-subtly depicts Christianity as the lone defender of mankind's uniqueness against the marching horde. I've seen this shit before. We all have.

[NecronLord]

Do many terrible things to it

grind it into pieces

blast it into oblivion.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

The person who wrote that article is a classic McCartyhist. He seamlessly mixes atheism, science, and Marxism together into one conjoined concept, and then not-so-subtly depicts Christianity as the lone defender of mankind's uniqueness against the marching horde. I've seen this shit before. We all have.

First time for me; I found it disturbing in light of the fact, Mike, that you yourself point out that social engineering has to be done slowly and subtly; this appears to be supporting the idea that such is precisely what's been going on for almost 40 years. In light of recent trends, I don't find that idea surprising.

[AdmiralKanos]

First time for me; I found it disturbing in light of the fact, Mike, that you yourself point out that social engineering has to be done slowly and subtly; this appears to be supporting the idea that such is precisely what's been going on for almost 40 years. In light of recent trends, I don't find that idea surprising.

So? We've had Christian social engineering for 2000 years. If it weren't for the foresight of men like Jefferson and Paine, schoolchildren would still be reciting that ridiculous "Under God" thing. You still have "In God We Trust" on your currency instead of the original "E Pluribus Unum" (from many, one), as well as a host of other Christianity-induced social engineering constructs and laws.

This guy is inventing conspiracies to explain what is far more easily explained through mundane observation. Marxism is popular on university campuses; so what? How does this denote a vast programming conspiracy?

I've lived in university dorm; socialism is common because people there are often beneficiaries of socialism. Large numbers of students in university have no jobs, and subsist off government grants, handouts, etc. Does it really take a conspiracy theory to figure out why socialist ideology breeds easily in this environment? Wake up and buy a fucking clue. When these students get out of school, get jobs, and start paying taxes instead of living off them, they tend to change their tune.

[EmperorMing]

First time for me; I found it disturbing in light of the fact, Mike, that you yourself point out that social engineering has to be done slowly and subtly; this appears to be supporting the idea that such is precisely what's been going on for almost 40 years. In light of recent trends, I don't find that idea surprising.

So? We've had Christian social engineering for 2000 years. If it weren't for the foresight of men like Jefferson and Paine, schoolchildren would still be reciting that ridiculous "Under God" thing. You still have "In God We Trust" on your currency instead of the original "E Pluribus Unum" (from many, one), as well as a host of other Christianity-induced social engineering constructs and laws.

This guy is inventing conspiracies to explain what is far more easily explained through mundane observation. Marxism is popular on university campuses; so what? How does this denote a vast programming conspiracy?

I've lived in university dorm; socialism is common because people there are often beneficiaries of socialism. Large numbers of students in university have no jobs, and subsist off government grants, handouts, etc. Does it really take a conspiracy theory to figure out why socialist ideology breeds easily in this environment? Wake up and buy a fucking clue. When these students get out of school, get jobs, and start paying taxes instead of living off them, they tend to change their tune.

Nice observation...

[Illuminatus Primus]

First time for me; I found it disturbing in light of the fact, Mike, that you yourself point out that social engineering has to be done slowly and subtly; this appears to be supporting the idea that such is precisely what's been going on for almost 40 years. In light of recent trends, I don't find that idea surprising.

So? We've had Christian social engineering for 2000 years. If it weren't for the foresight of men like Jefferson and Paine, schoolchildren would still be reciting that ridiculous "Under God" thing. You still have "In God We Trust" on your currency instead of the original "E Pluribus Unum" (from many, one), as well as a host of other Christianity-induced social engineering constructs and laws.

This guy is inventing conspiracies to explain what is far more easily explained through mundane observation. Marxism is popular on university campuses; so what? How does this denote a vast programming conspiracy?

I've lived in university dorm; socialism is common because people there are often beneficiaries of socialism. Large numbers of students in university have no jobs, and subsist off government grants, handouts, etc. Does it really take a conspiracy theory to figure out why socialist ideology breeds easily in this environment? Wake up and buy a fucking clue. When these students get out of school, get jobs, and start paying taxes instead of living off them, they tend to change their tune.

Bush just passed "Under God" into law, IIRC.

[AdmiralKanos]

Bush just passed "Under God" into law, IIRC.

Ah, when the Constitution does not oblige the fundies, simply throw it away. Not surprising. And there are people who still deny that America is dominated by fundie idiots.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

First time for me; I found it disturbing in light of the fact, Mike, that you yourself point out that social engineering has to be done slowly and subtly; this appears to be supporting the idea that such is precisely what's been going on for almost 40 years. In light of recent trends, I don't find that idea surprising.

So? We've had Christian social engineering for 2000 years. If it weren't for the foresight of men like Jefferson and Paine, schoolchildren would still be reciting that ridiculous "Under God" thing. You still have "In God We Trust" on your currency instead of the original "E Pluribus Unum" (from many, one), as well as a host of other Christianity-induced social engineering constructs and laws.

This guy is inventing conspiracies to explain what is far more easily explained through mundane observation. Marxism is popular on university campuses; so what? How does this denote a vast programming conspiracy?

I've lived in university dorm; socialism is common because people there are often beneficiaries of socialism. Large numbers of students in university have no jobs, and subsist off government grants, handouts, etc. Does it really take a conspiracy theory to figure out why socialist ideology breeds easily in this environment? Wake up and buy a fucking clue. When these students get out of school, get jobs, and start paying taxes instead of living off them, they tend to change their tune.

What about the ones that go into political careers and continue to live this way? Those are the ones passing laws, and those are the ones that give me cause for suspicion. And how do you explain that even a CBS News television reporter in the industry for 20 years detailed the leftist slant of the mass media in general and his own employer in particular? (I don't recall his name or the title of his book, but I will find it shortly.)

[Illuminatus Primus]

I doubt they are. Most Americans don't see the obvious stupidity of the item, and view it as a quaint tradition: the debasement of which is tantamount to betraying some part of American heritage or something, which was certainly hurried about by the media, who immediately portrayed Newdow to be a traitor or a moron or an attention whore. The politicans who supported it wanted to appease this neo-traditionalist horseshit and appease the Christian and "good ol fashioned values" lobbies.

What about the ones that go into political careers and continue to live this way? Those are the ones passing laws, and those are the ones that give me cause for suspicion. And how do you explain that even a CBS News television reporter in the industry for 20 years detailed the leftist slant of the mass media in general and his own employer in particular? (I don't recall his name or the title of his book, but I will find it shortly.)

Of course, the reaction to that is the just-short-of-idiotic circus show of jingoistic pandering that is Fox News. O'rielly's the only guy I care to watch on there, and he still has his moments.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Bush just passed "Under God" into law, IIRC.

Okay, that's definitely not good either. Seperation of Church and State being what it is, that should not be permitted -- in case anyone still has doubts, my view is that there shouldn't be laws for or against religion.

Of course, I also don't think churches should be tax-exempt, either. If they're getting money, whatever way they get money, they should cough up like everyone else.

[Joe]

First time for me; I found it disturbing in light of the fact, Mike, that you yourself point out that social engineering has to be done slowly and subtly; this appears to be supporting the idea that such is precisely what's been going on for almost 40 years. In light of recent trends, I don't find that idea surprising.

So? We've had Christian social engineering for 2000 years. If it weren't for the foresight of men like Jefferson and Paine, schoolchildren would still be reciting that ridiculous "Under God" thing. You still have "In God We Trust" on your currency instead of the original "E Pluribus Unum" (from many, one), as well as a host of other Christianity-induced social engineering constructs and laws.

This guy is inventing conspiracies to explain what is far more easily explained through mundane observation. Marxism is popular on university campuses; so what? How does this denote a vast programming conspiracy?

I've lived in university dorm; socialism is common because people there are often beneficiaries of socialism. Large numbers of students in university have no jobs, and subsist off government grants, handouts, etc. Does it really take a conspiracy theory to figure out why socialist ideology breeds easily in this environment? Wake up and buy a fucking clue. When these students get out of school, get jobs, and start paying taxes instead of living off them, they tend to change their tune.

Out of curiosity, at what point was "In God We Trust" placed on currency?

[The Dark]

Not sure, but "E Pluribus Unum" is still on it, unless it's changed since the 2001 D pennies were minted, and it dates back to at least the early 1900s (might be able to tell you exactly after Thanksgiving, I'll check my coin collection...have an 1890-something Buffalo nickel).

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

By the way (off-topic to coins) if you find a 1943 copper penny (not steel) it's supposed to be worth a little something.

[The Dark]

By the way (off-topic to coins) if you find a 1943 copper penny (not steel) it's supposed to be worth a little something.

Quite true, although the absolute best coin to find is a 1914-D Mercury dime. I have a 1914-P (IIRC), but not the super-rare D (~a dozen known to exist in the world).

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

By the way (off-topic to coins) if you find a 1943 copper penny (not steel) it's supposed to be worth a little something.

Quite true, although the absolute best coin to find is a 1914-D Mercury dime. I have a 1914-P (IIRC), but not the super-rare D (~a dozen known to exist in the world).

I briefly flirted with the idea of collecting coins, but quickly came to the horrifyingly despairing idea that most of the really rare ones got thrown down storm drains by little kids coming out of candy stores.

[The Dark]

By the way (off-topic to coins) if you find a 1943 copper penny (not steel) it's supposed to be worth a little something.

Quite true, although the absolute best coin to find is a 1914-D Mercury dime. I have a 1914-P (IIRC), but not the super-rare D (~a dozen known to exist in the world).

I briefly flirted with the idea of collecting coins, but quickly came to the horrifyingly despairing idea that most of the really rare ones got thrown down storm drains by little kids coming out of candy stores.

I inherited my grandmother's collection and have been slowly adding to it ever since (she's not deceased, she just gave it to me when she was diagnosed with cancer, which has since gone into remission, but she won't take the collection back).

*Kicks the topic back on course*

[Frank Hipper]

Out of curiosity, at what point was "In God We Trust" placed on currency?

If memory serves, in the fifties, about the same time "under god" was added to the pledge. At least they haven't struck "novus ordo seclorum" from the great seal.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Out of curiosity, at what point was "In God We Trust" placed on currency?

If memory serves, in the fifties, about the same time "in god we trust" was added to the pledge. At least they haven't struck "novus ordo seclorum" from the great seal.

I'm not much good with Latin, Frank. What's that phrase mean?

[Frank Hipper]

NEW SECULAR ORDER!

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

NEW SECULAR ORDER!

Hmm. Eeeeen teresting.

[Frank Hipper]

Actually, it should be "A NEW SECULAR ORDER", please to forgive......

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

But hey, it's not like any of them knew Latin. I hope none of them notice that.

On the subject of the pledge, why didn't Newdow just lobby to remove "Under God" from it, and have it said like it was supposed ot be said, instead of lobbying to discard the whole thing?