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The LAW strikes back against Fundie Judge

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Let's hear it for good ol' Judge Thompson!!!! :D :D :D


By BOB JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A Ten Commandments monument
in the rotunda of Alabama's judicial building violates the
constitution's ban on government promotion of religion,
a federal judge ruled Monday.

U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson gave Alabama Chief
Justice Roy Moore, who had the 5,300-pound granite
monument installed in the state building, 30 days to remove it.

Thompson said that previous court rulings have allowed
displays on government property if they have a secular
purpose and do not foster "excessive government
entanglement with religion." He said the Ten Commandments
monument fails this test.

"His fundamental, if not sole, purpose in displaying the
monument was non-secular; and the monument's primary
effect advances religion," Thompson said.


Moore testified during the trial that the commandments
are the moral foundation of American law. He said the
monument acknowledges God, but does not force anyone to
follow his conservative Christian religious beliefs.

A lawsuit seeking removal of the monument argued that
it promoted the judge's faith in violation of the constitution's
ban on government establishment of religion.

Moore installed the monument after the building closed
on the night of July 31, 2001, without telling any other justices.

"This monument was snuck in during the middle of the night a
nd they can sneak it out just as easily. It's a gross violation
of the rights of the citizens of Alabama," said Morris Dees,
lead counsel and co-founder of the Southern Poverty Law
Center, who urged Moore to remove the monument
immediately.

The monument, which features the King James Bible
version of the Ten Commandments sitting on top of a
granite block, is one of the first things visitors see upon
entering the building.

In his ruling, Thompson said he found the monument to
be more than just a display of the Ten Commandments
and other historical quotations.

"The court is impressed that the monument and its
immediate surroundings are, in essence, a consecrated
place, a religious sanctuary, within the walls of the
courthouse," Thompson wrote.

An appeal was expected. Neither Moore nor his lead
attorney, Stephen Melchior, had any immediate comment
on the ruling. An assistant to Melchior said they were
reserving comment until they had read the opinion.

Moore fought to display a wooden plaque of the
commandments on his courtroom wall in Etowah
County, before he won election as chief justice in
November 2000.

"The basic issue is whether we will still be able to
acknowledge God under the First Amendment, or
whether we will not be able to acknowledge God,"
Moore testified.

Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans
United for Separation of Church and State, called the
ruling a setback for "Moore's religious crusade."

"It's high time Moore learned that the source of U.S. law
is the constitution and not the Bible," Lynn said.

One of Moore's supporters, Alabama Christian Coalition
President John Giles, said he believes there may be a
backlash against the ruling in Alabama, a Bible Belt state
in which Moore won easily two years ago.

"I am afraid the judge's order putting a 30-day limit on
removal of the monument will lead to an uprising of
citizens protesting removal of that monument," Giles said.

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WoooHooo.... Perhaps there is a chance for America after all. But those last two paragraphs have me a bit worried. I just hope the Federal Law System doesn't bend to the Fundie's will.
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Seig Hiel?

And good for them

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Jerk judge. He was not elected to erect some monument of the 10 commandments.
You already have to swear on the bible; is that not good enough?
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EmperorMing wrote:Jerk judge. He was not elected to erect some monument of the 10 commandments.
You already have to swear on the bible; is that not good enough?
Considering he's from Alabama he might have been.
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Splash one asshole LOL
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Right, so the monument tells people God is real, but doesn't advocate a religion. :roll: Stupid git.
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Why don't we remove the first 3 and call it "The Seven Comandments"?

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Seig Hiel?
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Hail Judge thompson! :twisted:
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You elect your judges?? how do you maintain impartiality?
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Stuart Mackey wrote:You elect your judges?? how do you maintain impartiality?
They don't. Judges tend to have partisan affiliations, and the higher up you go, the worse it is.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:You elect your judges?? how do you maintain impartiality?
They don't. Judges tend to have partisan affiliations, and the higher up you go, the worse it is.
The only hope is to elect enough from both sides that their partisan biases cancel each other out. Unfortunately, it tends not to work too well.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:You elect your judges?? how do you maintain impartiality?
They don't. Judges tend to have partisan affiliations, and the higher up you go, the worse it is.
Staggers the mind, that does.
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The Dark wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:You elect your judges?? how do you maintain impartiality?
They don't. Judges tend to have partisan affiliations, and the higher up you go, the worse it is.
The only hope is to elect enough from both sides that their partisan biases cancel each other out. Unfortunately, it tends not to work too well.
No offence, but thats crazy. Of course I comme from NZ, we have the British tradition.
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Yup both Australia and New Zealand (that's Australia's Canada don't you know hehehe) derive from the common law system. Our High Court is not partisan. We actually have a homosexual on our High Court. Kirby.
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Vympel wrote:Yup both Australia and New Zealand (that's Australia's Canada don't you know hehehe)

Not after we make you West Iland, part of the greater New Zealand Empire :twisted:

Vympel wrote:derive from the common law system. Our High Court is not partisan. We actually have a homosexual on our High Court. Kirby.
America also has common law, its just evolved to be what it is now, where Aussie and NZ is still similar to Britian, but that will change as time goes on.
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Stuart Mackey wrote:
Vympel wrote:Yup both Australia and New Zealand (that's Australia's Canada don't you know hehehe)

Not after we make you West Iland, part of the greater New Zealand Empire :twisted:
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My friend had a plan to take over the world with New Zealand as a base- his primary weapon- Sheep.

He would just bomb everyone with sheep. How many megatons of energy are released when millions of sheep drop from orbit? :roll:
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To get off the NZ/Aussie flame-(conflict other then war ;))

The impartiality thing is not working, because electing from two sides of an issue only works if.
a) both sides of an issue are equally likely to be elected.
b) there are only those two sides, not several, to the issue.

As Ming wrote on page 1 you have to swear on a bible over there. Clearly an indication of both of these clauses. Why else would you be swearing on book that itself is inadmissable as evidence?
(I mean, the bible it is hearsay at best: the stories where passed down by oral tradition before being put to the paper, has been translated through 2-3 languages with errors & translator bias accumulating in the process, and is internally inconsistent FCOL)
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Vympel wrote:My friend had a plan to take over the world with New Zealand as a base- his primary weapon- Sheep.

He would just bomb everyone with sheep. How many megatons of energy are released when millions of sheep drop from orbit? :roll:
In Australia, there are 10 times as many sheep as people, making for about 230 million sheep. Assuming a 50kg mass for each one, and a 15km/sec impact speed, each sheep should release 5.625 gigajoules of energy. multiply that by 230 million, and you get 1.293e18 joules, or about a quarter of a gigaton. Did I do any math wrong?
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Dropping sheep from orbit? LOL!

Sounds like us aussies will get free BBQ lambchops for breakfast, lunch and tea :lol:
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Holy shit!

What happens if the sheepfarmers get some massive conglomerate to support them, and then revolt? They could level Sydney!
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