What's your opinion on Kevlar?

[MKSheppard]

New York City has outlawed Kevlar for private citizens, and here
in Maryland, you have to go through a background check to even
buy it here.

Anyway, a few years ago, a rapper named Ol' Dirty bastard, who
survived a robbery after being shot 6 times, was arrested because
he was 'caught' wearing a vest in NY.

The man, 'rapper thug' or not....was SHOT 6 TIMES for crying out loud,
he of all people should not have gotten flak for it.

[TrailerParkJawa]

I think body armor is illegal here in CA too. Or mabye its illegal for people with criminal records. Im not sure I couldnt find anything on the net.

I have mixed feelings. After the bank shoot out, I can understand why police agencies dont want it out there. But after the LA riots where society basically breaks down, why shouldnt I be able to have vest just in case?

[Exonerate]

Maybe they should outlaw helmets too, because it stops the police from getting headshots off us...

[haas mark]

I think that's wrong. It is used as a defense of the people. I the police are defending the people, they are now banned from protecting them by using Kevlar (as a public resource).

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Why the fuck do you need kevlar? If you live is so dangerous that you need kevlar, you've done something seriously wrong! God damn. What's wrong with you people?

"I'm too fucking scared to leave my house without full body armor and a fucking bazooka."

You're almost three times more likely to die of Malignant neoplasms of genital organs (what the FUCK is that? No, no, no. Don't tell me, I don't want to know.) than you are of being killed by someone.

LIFE IS NOT THAT DANGEROUS! YOU DON'T NEED BODY ARMOR TO GET THROUGH THE DAY!

[MKSheppard]

Why the fuck do you need kevlar? If you live is so dangerous that you need kevlar, you've done something seriously wrong! God damn. What's wrong with you people?

At times I wish there was a PLONK button for this board, as certain people
are too stupid at times to BREATHE.

I'd like to see YOU tell this to a 7-11 clerk with a STRAIGHT FACE, asshole!

7-11 clerks have a high fatality rate because the corporation won't let
them carry a shotgun under the counter, and because of corporate rules
that the stores have to store all their money in a time lock safe
after dark = lots of dead 7-11 clerks.

Also, I'd like to see you tell postal carriers who have to work in
high-crime areas.....or just about EVERYONE who works in the
inner city, why you do not want them to possess something that
will allow them to survive a botched robbery attempt..

[Shinova]

I say that whoever made that rule was thinking, "NO! We can't let the citizens have kevlar! We're the police so we're the only people who can possibly be authorized to weat kevlar! It's all ours! OURS!!!!!!"

Or something like that. Superiority complex, possesiveness, etc, maybe.

[Shinova]

By the way, scientists are researching chitin to replace kevlar. Just something to add to this debate.


<Note: Chitin is the same stuff insect exoskeletons are made of>

[MKSheppard]

With the Keywords:

Shotgun AND Jewelry AND Store AND Robbery

And see what you come up with....

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/beari ... CU21D.html

[C.S.Strowbridge]

With the Keywords:

Shotgun AND Jewelry AND Store AND Robbery

And see what you come up with....

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/beari ... CU21D.html

MKSheppard. Master of the anecdotal evidence.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Why the fuck do you need kevlar? If you live is so dangerous that you need kevlar, you've done something seriously wrong! God damn. What's wrong with you people?

At times I wish there was a PLONK button for this board, as certain people
are too stupid at times to BREATHE.

I'd like to see YOU tell this to a 7-11 clerk with a STRAIGHT FACE, asshole!

7-11 clerks have a high fatality rate because the corporation won't let
them carry a shotgun under the counter, and because of corporate rules
that the stores have to store all their money in a time lock safe
after dark = lots of dead 7-11 clerks.

Also, I'd like to see you tell postal carriers who have to work in
high-crime areas.....or just about EVERYONE who works in the
inner city, why you do not want them to possess something that
will allow them to survive a botched robbery attempt..

Prove it. Give me some fucking numbers. Your opinion means shit. Back it up, or shut the fuck up.

[MKSheppard]

Prove it. Give me some fucking numbers. Your opinion means shit. Back it up, or shut the fuck up.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/m ... ll/1491663

ANOTHER TRAGIC SHOOTING in our town, where the convenience-store death rate over the past 2 1/2 years averages one every six or seven weeks.

http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dngrjobs.htm

Homicide was the second leading cause of job-related deaths, accounting for 16 percent of the total. Robbery was the primary motive for workplace homicide. About half of the victims worked in retail establishments, such as grocery stores, restaurants and bars, where cash is readily available. (31,000 convenience store clerks are shot every year.) Taxicab drivers, police and security guards also had high numbers of worker homicides. Four-fifths of the victims were shot; others were stabbed, beaten or strangled.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

I think the cops want to outlaw Kevlar so the perps can't use them.
Their thinking must be the people are going to get hurt anyway, so let them, cos without body armor we can kill the perps faster and rpevent them from going on to kill maim mand slaughter.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Prove it. Give me some fucking numbers. Your opinion means shit. Back it up, or shut the fuck up.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/m ... ll/1491663

ANOTHER TRAGIC SHOOTING in our town, where the convenience-store death rate over the past 2 1/2 years averages one every six or seven weeks.

Wow, Houston, a city of nearly 2,000,000 people have, on avereate 8 convenience-store deaths per year. If we average that across the country we get 320 convenience-store deaths a year.

http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dngrjobs.htm

Homicide was the second leading cause of job-related deaths, accounting for 16 percent of the total. Robbery was the primary motive for workplace homicide. About half of the victims worked in retail establishments, such as grocery stores, restaurants and bars, where cash is readily available. (31,000 convenience store clerks are shot every year.) Taxicab drivers, police and security guards also had high numbers of worker homicides. Four-fifths of the victims were shot; others were stabbed, beaten or strangled.

So 31,000 Apus are shot a year, and only 320 die? Hmm, I smell something funny.

Roughly 1100 people are murdered on the job (and this includes cops who are allowed to wear kevlar.)

More people get Legionellosis per year. Roughly 4 times as many people drown. You should be fighting for the right to wear snorkles, not kevlar. Twice as many get Cryptosporidiosis, one third as many get Typhoid.

More people get killed in automobile accidents going to work than get shot at work. More people are killed in accidents at work then are murdered at work.

Lesson you should learn: When trying to prove something is a big threat you must compare it to other threats.

[MKSheppard]

Wow, Houston, a city of nearly 2,000,000 people have, on avereate 8 convenience-store deaths per year. If we average that across the country we get 320 convenience-store deaths a year.

And on average, 50 cops get killed each year across the country. I guess
they don't need Kevlar vests, do they now, Strowey?

So 31,000 Apus are shot a year, and only 320 die? Hmm, I smell something funny.

In todays world with fast medevacs and trauma teams, wounds that
were not survivable 30 years ago are survivable today.

A Second Chance Bulletproof vest is the difference between major
surgery to save your life and a few broken ribs.

[Sea Skimmer]

Prove it. Give me some fucking numbers. Your opinion means shit. Back it up, or shut the fuck up.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/m ... ll/1491663

ANOTHER TRAGIC SHOOTING in our town, where the convenience-store death rate over the past 2 1/2 years averages one every six or seven weeks.

Wow, Houston, a city of nearly 2,000,000 people have, on avereate 8 convenience-store deaths per year. If we average that across the country we get 320 convenience-store deaths a year.

http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dngrjobs.htm

Homicide was the second leading cause of job-related deaths, accounting for 16 percent of the total. Robbery was the primary motive for workplace homicide. About half of the victims worked in retail establishments, such as grocery stores, restaurants and bars, where cash is readily available. (31,000 convenience store clerks are shot every year.) Taxicab drivers, police and security guards also had high numbers of worker homicides. Four-fifths of the victims were shot; others were stabbed, beaten or strangled.

So 31,000 Apus are shot a year, and only 320 die? Hmm, I smell something funny.

Roughly 1100 people are murdered on the job (and this includes cops who are allowed to wear kevlar.)

More people get Legionellosis per year. Roughly 4 times as many people drown. You should be fighting for the right to wear snorkles, not kevlar. Twice as many get Cryptosporidiosis, one third as many get Typhoid.

More people get killed in automobile accidents going to work than get shot at work. More people are killed in accidents at work then are murdered at work.

Lesson you should learn: When trying to prove something is a big threat you must compare it to other threats.

So does that mean people should not be able to protect them self against it? When don&#8217;t we pull medical treatment and vaccinations for all but the top five world killers then? Same logic, same stupdity.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Wow, Houston, a city of nearly 2,000,000 people have, on avereate 8 convenience-store deaths per year. If we average that across the country we get 320 convenience-store deaths a year.

And on average, 50 cops get killed each year across the country. I guess
they don't need Kevlar vests, do they now, Strowey?

Cops will be allowed to wear kevlar. Bullet proof vests are part of their equipment. God you're stupid.

So 31,000 Apus are shot a year, and only 320 die? Hmm, I smell something funny.

In todays world with fast medevacs and trauma teams, wounds that
were not survivable 30 years ago are survivable today.

So roughly 1% of bullet wounds are fatal? Why buy a gun in the first place?

[haas mark]

Wow, Houston, a city of nearly 2,000,000 people have, on avereate 8 convenience-store deaths per year. If we average that across the country we get 320 convenience-store deaths a year.

And on average, 50 cops get killed each year across the country. I guess
they don't need Kevlar vests, do they now, Strowey?

Cops will be allowed to wear kevlar. Bullet proof vests are part of their equipment. God you're stupid.

Someone likes the ad hominem...

So 31,000 Apus are shot a year, and only 320 die? Hmm, I smell something funny.

In todays world with fast medevacs and trauma teams, wounds that
were not survivable 30 years ago are survivable today.

So roughly 1% of bullet wounds are fatal? Why buy a gun in the first place?

Because of the medical treatment we have. Do you not read, man? I fwe didn't have it, then many more bullet wounds would be fatal.

[MKSheppard]

Cops will be allowed to wear kevlar. Bullet proof vests are part of their equipment.

My, you're the Statist aren't you? So it's OK for the agents of the State
to own and use equipment that can save their lives, but not for common
citizens to do so?

So roughly 1% of bullet wounds are fatal? Why buy a gun in the first place?

So you can defend youself adequately against someone who's wigging
out on PCP....not all of us are 300 lb muscle bound behemoths like you,
Strowey.

[Sea Skimmer]

Wow, Houston, a city of nearly 2,000,000 people have, on avereate 8 convenience-store deaths per year. If we average that across the country we get 320 convenience-store deaths a year.

And on average, 50 cops get killed each year across the country. I guess
they don't need Kevlar vests, do they now, Strowey?

Cops will be allowed to wear kevlar. Bullet proof vests are part of their equipment. God you're stupid.

So 31,000 Apus are shot a year, and only 320 die? Hmm, I smell something funny.

In todays world with fast medevacs and trauma teams, wounds that
were not survivable 30 years ago are survivable today.

So roughly 1% of bullet wounds are fatal? Why buy a gun in the first place?

Because you can drop sombody you could never fight hand to hand with. Just because the perp is not dead doesnt mean the gun was ineffective, if your firing in self defence. Many wounds will leave a person on the ground unable to do anything, but will not be fatel until they bleed out. The chances of that happening tend to be low because of the excellent medical care thats close at hand in the West.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

Because you can drop sombody you could never fight hand to hand with. Just because the perp is not dead doesnt mean the gun was ineffective, if your firing in self defence. Many wounds will leave a person on the ground unable to do anything, but will not be fatel until they bleed out. The chances of that happening tend to be low because of the excellent medical care thats close at hand in the West.

One does not need to kill someone to disable him. And guns are easier to acquire than brute physical strength.
Besides, in hand to hand you're more likely to get hurt, no matter how good you are.

[haas mark]

In addition to Sea Skimmer's comment, a mortal wound is NOT necessarily a fatal wound.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Lesson you should learn: When trying to prove something is a big threat you must compare it to other threats.

So does that mean people should not be able to protect them self against it? When don&#8217;t we pull medical treatment and vaccinations for all but the top five world killers then? Same logic, same stupdity.

Two points:

1.) Learn to snip.
2.) Do you wear a life-jacket everywhere you go? Do you carry tick spray? NO YOU FUCKING DON'T! Cause it would be a waste of time, just like wearing a bullet proof vest. The only people who need bullet proof vests are cops and criminals. And when you buy a kevlar vest you only make matters worse.

Think about it this way, you buy a gun to protect yourself from criminals. Statistically speaking, the first criminal that gun will encounter is the one that steals it from you. 300,000 guns are stolen every year. And if you don't think Kevlar vests are going to be a main target for theives you're fucking nuts.

But no, you're not thinking long-term, or at all. You want that Kevlar vest for the 0.00367% protection is offers.

[haas mark]

CSS: Think about it this way: more than often are people killed in crossfire than need to be, especially kids. I think that if parents really gave two shits, they wouldn't mind spending the extra money to have their kids be safe.

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

1.) Learn to snip.
2.) Do you wear a life-jacket everywhere you go? Do you carry tick spray? NO YOU FUCKING DON'T! Cause it would be a waste of time, just like wearing a bullet proof vest. The only people who need bullet proof vests are cops and criminals. And when you buy a kevlar vest you only make matters worse.

Think about it this way, you buy a gun to protect yourself from criminals. Statistically speaking, the first criminal that gun will encounter is the one that steals it from you. 300,000 guns are stolen every year. And if you don't think Kevlar vests are going to be a main target for theives you're fucking nuts.

But no, you're not thinking long-term, or at all. You want that Kevlar vest for the 0.00367% protection is offers.

1) That's SEP (Somebody Else's Problem)
2) Tick spray and a life vest are a hell of a lot more inconvenient to wear than Kevlar, which can be worn under normal clothes without it getting tin the way too much. If you value your life and you live in a danger zone you WILL wear Kevlar. That 0.00367% could be the difference between capping the fucker between the eyes and lying dead in the gutter.

And whether or not the gun belongs to you the Kevlar STILL protects against it.