What motivates fundamentalists?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-04 06:15pm

What is it that motivates these people to be fundies? What do you guys think?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-04 06:21pm

Shinova wrote:What is it that motivates these people to be fundies? What do you guys think?

Are in in league with mike_006 or is it just a coincidence?

Indoctrination from birth, together with a severe lack of skills at basic Science will do that to you. The only way to escape from a fundie family is through school, and even that is conditioned because of the nice religious private schools fundie parents sometimes choose.

Really, many of them only have the opportunity to face new ideas at college, and some are too dumb to get there, or already too indoctrinated to accept them. Those will be the new fundies, and continue the cycle.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-04 06:25pm

Colonel Olrik wrote: Are in in league with mike_006 or is it just a coincidence?

Just testing something.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-04 06:43pm

Fear. Raw, naked fear. Fear of the world, fear of what comes after this world, fear of the unknown. They wrap themselves in the blanket of religion and use it as both club and shield to 'protect' them from the scary outside. It gives them a community of like minded followers to low and graze with, appealing to the most basic of herd instincts.

Anyone that does not agree with them threatens to invalidate or question their belief systems; hence they circle the wagons and hurl poop until the Scary Things from the Outside go away.

Gricksigger · Post by **Gricksigger** » 2002-12-04 07:44pm

The knowledge that we possess the truth and are commissioned to spread it.

data_link · Post by **data_link** » 2002-12-04 07:53pm

Exactly. Wait...

*looks at name of poster*

Oh. Of course.

How exactly did you delude yourself into thinking that you have anything resembling the truth?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-04 07:54pm

Gricksigger wrote:The knowledge that we possess the truth and are commissioned to spread it.

As I said, indoctrination from birth and lack of skills in Science.

Care to prove it otherwise? humm? Come on, pick a theme. I only ask for it to be whitin a branch of scientific knowledge.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-04 08:01pm

Four things:

Ignorance- Notice how dumb your average fundy is? It's a requirement to turn out like that. Education has always been religion's greatest fear.

Shame and Guilt- they're raised to believe that normal healthy things and even simply being human is a shame. Ever wonder why so many things, and such natural things are sins? Because every one does them. Because no can escape doing those things.

Fear- Now you take people that are dumb as posts and ashamed over everything and you tell them they're going to a place of everlasting torment unless they follow the rules. They're terrified so they do what you tell them. You give them these impossible rules that they don't know are impossible and they're terrified because they can't.

A Slim Hope- you give them a thin veiled hope that maybe, just maybe they'll get in to heaven. If they do everything you tell them, believe everything you tell them. And of course you can't question that system or you'll go to Hell.

Gricksigger · Post by **Gricksigger** » 2002-12-04 08:31pm

Indoctrination from birth? Sure. Especially since I just became a Christian about 1-2 years ago.

How did I convince myself?By the witness of the Holy Spirit, which proves itself to be true.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-04 08:38pm

Gricksigger wrote:Indoctrination from birth? Sure. Especially since I just became a Christian about 1-2 years ago.

Then you simply suffer from lack of a proper education and knowledge.

How did I convince myself?By the witness of the Holy Spirit, which proves itself to be true.

Alright. Is there any tiny bit of science you find to be untrue? Evolution, perchance? something akin to it? Humm?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-04 08:44pm

Gricksigger wrote: How did I convince myself?By the witness of the Holy Spirit, which proves itself to be true.

What EXACTLY does that mean???

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2002-12-04 08:46pm

I don't know. And neither does he.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-04 08:51pm

Shinova wrote:
Gricksigger wrote: How did I convince myself?By the witness of the Holy Spirit, which proves itself to be true.
What EXACTLY does that mean???

He saw funny lights after the brick hit him on the head?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-04 09:12pm

Gricksigger wrote:Indoctrination from birth? Sure. Especially since I just became a Christian about 1-2 years ago.

And you never heard a word about the Bible or this religion called "Christianity" until then? Suuuure.

Gotta love those misdirected "rebuttals".

How did I convince myself? By the witness of the Holy Spirit, which proves itself to be true.

Rarely do you see such an overt declaration of circular reasoning.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-12-04 09:17pm

He saw funny lights after the brick hit him on the head?

That sounds about right[/quote]

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-12-04 10:14pm

Gricksigger wrote:The knowledge that we possess the truth and are commissioned to spread it.

Translation: You are part of a pyramid scheme where you get paid or rewarded for every person you convert.

Gricksigger wrote:Indoctrination from birth? Sure. Especially since I just became a Christian about 1-2 years ago.

Translation: You are stupid and got suckered into the pyramid scheme known as religion 1-2 years ago, and you must now become a mouthpiece for them or have your precious membership revoked.

Gricksigger wrote:How did I convince myself?By the witness of the Holy Spirit, which proves itself to be true.

Translation: Some guy came to your door with pamphlets in hand, and being the dumbass sucker you are you fell for the damn things.

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2002-12-04 10:18pm

Fear
Ignorance
Indoctrination
Stupidity

Heard the phrase "God-fearing man"?

And he is supposed to love you. Like you love a red-headed stepchild, it seems.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-04 10:22pm

Gricksigger wrote:The knowledge that we possess the truth and are commissioned to spread it.

Truth? What truth? Do you have proof that it is true? Or are you going to just say that "Welll... it sez so in th' Buy-Buhlll..." How about outside confirmation?

Indoctrination from birth? Sure. Especially since I just became a Christian about 1-2 years ago.

And how/why/what changed? Were you already a 'nominal Christian' that suddenly got involved? Face it, in the States we live in a Christian-oriented society, so you've been exposed to this for a long time.

How did I convince myself?By the witness of the Holy Spirit, which proves itself to be true.

Oblique references are not an agument make. Details.
Please.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-04 10:25pm

SeebianWurm wrote:Fear
Ignorance
Indoctrination
Stupidity

Heard the phrase "God-fearing man"?

And he is supposed to love you. Like you love a red-headed stepchild, it seems.

What's wrong with red-headed stepchild?

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2002-12-04 10:28pm

I knew I was going to get a comment on that.

I have a running joke with some friends about abuse (red headed step-child being a cliche victim). And no, that does not excuse it.

Plus, I hope you weren't offended at my dastardliness.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-04 10:37pm

Guy fundies: just can't get any pussy, so they must make up a reason why everyone else should not get pussy.

Girl fundies: to nervous to get fucked, so they like the reasons that guys make up explaining why they should not be fucked.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-04 11:02pm

Gricksigger, I can personally attest to the fact that I'm God, and I can assure you I didn't visit you. You have been mislead by Satan and he is trying to trick you. Come to me, my son, and you shall be saved.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-04 11:06pm

A good deal of the Fundies honestly beleive that is the truth, and are trying their hardest to save everyone else from Hell because that's what they've been taught. The thought is nice, though they are seriously misguided.

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2002-12-04 11:11pm

They think they are being nice.

One of my pet peeves: honesty is used as an identifier of "meanness".

Off topic, I know. But the thinking they are nice point, rose up a recent encounter of the moron kind.

Frank_Scenario · Post by **Frank_Scenario** » 2002-12-04 11:20pm

My hunch is that fundamentalists are motivated by the same thing that motivates atheists to attack them. They believe (regardless of the validity of their belief) that they know the truth. They want others to gain this knowledge. If this means being aggressive, being rude, or coming off as an idiot, so be it. It happens to be the case that most fundamentalists are all of these things, but I know some that are none of them; they are much more pleasant to be around.

Note that their motivations are independent from the validity of their beliefs.

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