Return of Jesus 2000 years ago?

[lPeregrine]

I know I've seen this mentioned before, that the bible suggests that the authors were expecting Jesus to return and claim the faithful within their lifetimes. And therefore all the fundies talking about their precious rapture have already been left behind and abandoned to satan. But where is the proof of this (preferably from the bible itself)?

[Rocker5150]

Just today I was wondering how many years would have to pass before Christians start questioning the whole rapture nonsense. Will 2,000 more years be enough to make them realize that Jesus ain't coming, or will the successive generations keep thinking it's just about to happen?


-Kevin

[SirNitram]

The Revelations were written with the full expectation that the Rapture would occour in their lifetimes. The Apostles expecting to see Jesus again. And so it continued, down through two mileenia.

[lPeregrine]

The Revelations were written with the full expectation that the Rapture would occour in their lifetimes. The Apostles expecting to see Jesus again. And so it continued, down through two mileenia.

That's what I thought, but how is this actually stated? Is there a clear quote saying "and this will happen in 20 years"? Is it just implied by the wording of it? Entirely separate from the bible, and just part of christian theology at the time?

[SirNitram]

The Revelations were written with the full expectation that the Rapture would occour in their lifetimes. The Apostles expecting to see Jesus again. And so it continued, down through two mileenia.

That's what I thought, but how is this actually stated? Is there a clear quote saying "and this will happen in 20 years"? Is it just implied by the wording of it? Entirely separate from the bible, and just part of christian theology at the time?

I don't beleive so. Any such statements will have been covered up as thoroughly as possible; try getting them to admit it's past and you'll see the best backpedal in the business.

[Imperial Overlord]

The Revelations were written with the full expectation that the Rapture would occour in their lifetimes. The Apostles expecting to see Jesus again. And so it continued, down through two mileenia.

Revelations wasn't written by an apostle. It's the mad ravings of a nutbar with the same name as an apostle that was barely accepted as prophecy.

[Setesh]

I know I've seen this mentioned before, that the bible suggests that the authors were expecting Jesus to return and claim the faithful within their lifetimes. And therefore all the fundies talking about their precious rapture have already been left behind and abandoned to satan. But where is the proof of this (preferably from the bible itself)?

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Jesus says he will return before the diciples can travel to all the cities of isreal

Matthew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Jesus on the end note the bolded words

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus contridicts himself saying the end won't come till the gospel is preached worldwide.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Jesus tells the high priest he will live to see Jesus return.Note that the time for these 'prophecies' has come and gone with no Jesus. And that's just Matthew

It just continues see link below:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/nt.html

[Gil Hamilton]

It's simple how it works.

The Bible explicitly states that no one can know when the return of the Son of Man is. No one.

However, you've got tons of people who are absolutely certain that the end is nigh and the Rapture is upon us.

The problem with that is that if the Rapture is, in fact, nigh, then the guys who know for a fact that it is nigh (and advertise it in great detail) would be right about it. They know when the Son of Man is due to return.

Therefore, as long as people constantly believe that the end is nigh, then the end cannot possibly be nigh.

In conclusion, those crazies predicting the end of the world are, in fact, providing us with Rapture Insurance.

QED.

[Zero]

Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophesy of this book, because the time is near."

Near... 2 millenia later, we've still got crazies claiming the end is just a few months away.

[drachefly]

It's simple how it works.

The Bible explicitly states that no one can know when the return of the Son of Man is. No one.

However, you've got tons of people who are absolutely certain that the end is nigh and the Rapture is upon us.

The problem with that is that if the Rapture is, in fact, nigh, then the guys who know for a fact that it is nigh (and advertise it in great detail) would be right about it. They know when the Son of Man is due to return.

Therefore, as long as people constantly believe that the end is nigh, then the end cannot possibly be nigh.

In conclusion, those crazies predicting the end of the world are, in fact, providing us with Rapture Insurance.

QED.

Sorry to poke a little hole, but knowledge is justified correct belief. Sure, they have belief, and if they're correct then they're correct; but it sure isn't justified.

[Setesh]

It's simple how it works.

The Bible explicitly states that no one can know when the return of the Son of Man is. No one.

However, you've got tons of people who are absolutely certain that the end is nigh and the Rapture is upon us.

The problem with that is that if the Rapture is, in fact, nigh, then the guys who know for a fact that it is nigh (and advertise it in great detail) would be right about it. They know when the Son of Man is due to return.

Therefore, as long as people constantly believe that the end is nigh, then the end cannot possibly be nigh.

In conclusion, those crazies predicting the end of the world are, in fact, providing us with Rapture Insurance.

QED.

Actually Jesus makes over 20 inferances that he will return within the diciples liftime. So either way they are still nutty.

[Morilore]

It's simple how it works.

The Bible explicitly states that no one can know when the return of the Son of Man is. No one.

However, you've got tons of people who are absolutely certain that the end is nigh and the Rapture is upon us.

The problem with that is that if the Rapture is, in fact, nigh, then the guys who know for a fact that it is nigh (and advertise it in great detail) would be right about it. They know when the Son of Man is due to return.

Therefore, as long as people constantly believe that the end is nigh, then the end cannot possibly be nigh.

In conclusion, those crazies predicting the end of the world are, in fact, providing us with Rapture Insurance.

QED.

So, the Rapture will occur sometime after all the fundies disappear?
Would not then that disappearance of the fundies be, in and of itself, a Rapture?

[Magnetic]

I know I've seen this mentioned before, that the bible suggests that the authors were expecting Jesus to return and claim the faithful within their lifetimes. And therefore all the fundies talking about their precious rapture have already been left behind and abandoned to satan. But where is the proof of this (preferably from the bible itself)?

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Jesus says he will return before the diciples can travel to all the cities of isreal

Matthew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Jesus on the end note the bolded words

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus contridicts himself saying the end won't come till the gospel is preached worldwide.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Jesus tells the high priest he will live to see Jesus return.Note that the time for these 'prophecies' has come and gone with no Jesus. And that's just Matthew

It just continues see link below:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/nt.html

Christians mostly go by the Matthew 24:14 (seen above) as the calalyst. And since today we have the ability to transmit data more easily, cell phones, TV, internet, etc. it's now only a matter of time before the event takes place. Therefore, we are at "the eleventh hour" and it won't be long now.

As far as the scriptures eluding to the second coming during THEIR lifetime, the Christian view would be that those verses were figurative.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Paul stated the endtimes were upon them, and that they would live to see them. I can't remember what verse, he wrote so many goddamn books...

[Eframepilot]

The Rapture can occur now and still be in the apostles' lifetimes because, according to obscure Christian mythology, some of them are still alive. John is currently about 2000 years old and living in the garden of Eden. That English guy in Orlando Furioso who rode a hippogriff met him there.

Anyway, the above is just one of the crackpot technicality ways around the deadline that the finite lives of the apostles would seem to present on the Apocalypse.

[HemlockGrey]

Paul stated the endtimes were upon them, and that they would live to see them. I can't remember what verse, he wrote so many goddamn books...

Well, mostly letters.

[Rye]

Mark 9:1 And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, there are some standing here who will not experience death before they see the kingdom of God come with power." 13:30 "I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."

Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus was fairly explicit that that was the last generation.

[lPeregrine]

Excellent, thanks all of you.