Ghosts

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-12-10 05:21pm

So, what do you think about them?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-12-10 05:23pm

Might want to redo your poll.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-10 05:29pm

Ambiguous.

There's all those documentaries about ghost-related events, yet the possibility of them being hoaxes always exists.

I'll be staying neutral until absolute proof of one side or the other appears.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-12-10 05:29pm

They're all lies and delusions.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-12-10 08:27pm

Ghosts are just stories nothing more. Should 'nt we be noticing an increase in the amount of ghosts because of the population has been growing at such a rapid rate? More people should mean more chances of a ghost when they die, right?

I know I am assuming that there is some constant ratio of ghosts to population, but I cant help but think the ghost stories were more common when the world was much smaller.

Shouldnt WW2 have created a large amount of ghosts? How are ghosts created in the first place? Ask me and the only answers I can give you are gonna be related to fantasy role playing.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-12-10 08:43pm

Leaning too lies and dellusions. Though I have no disproving truth.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-10 08:56pm

Too many stories for it to be nothing, but then it doesn't immediately point to ghosts either. It could be anything from natural phenomena/delusions, hell, it may even be aliens is stealth suits (comforting thought).

There's something to it all, but damned if I know what it is.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-12-10 09:05pm

As with the UFO/alien question, it is a viable theory, but not a likely one. It remains on the "back burner" until and unless evidence supporting it to the exclusion of other theories arises.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-10 09:43pm

Neither alien visitors or immortal non-corporeal spirits are known to exist. Self-delusion and irrationality, however, are known to exist and be very widespread. Therefore, there's simply no question which theory we should go with.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-10 09:50pm

Totally fake, with most just made up. However I do believe many honestly think they saw a ghost.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-12-10 09:50pm

Someone I know was dared by a group of people at a pub to spend a night in house that was supposedly haunted. He agreed, on one condition. He got to bring a flashlight and a collapsable riot baton. The group was thrown off by this, and tried to talk him out the baton, which he had with him. His response? "If there's a ghost, it wouldn't care if I took a couple of swings at it with one anyway. It's already dead."

Needless to say, they never followed through.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-10 09:54pm

Hotfoot wrote:Someone I know was dared by a group of people at a pub to spend a night in house that was supposedly haunted. He agreed, on one condition. He got to bring a flashlight and a collapsable riot baton. The group was thrown off by this, and tried to talk him out the baton, which he had with him. His response? "If there's a ghost, it wouldn't care if I took a couple of swings at it with one anyway. It's already dead."

You never know, one good whack and you might hear "aw fuck, that hurt, dude." This would mean it's a fratboy trying to make you Believe in ghosts.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-12-10 10:05pm

Darth Wong wrote:You never know, one good whack and you might hear "aw fuck, that hurt, dude." This would mean it's a fratboy trying to make you Believe in ghosts.

Well, that was the point of it all. They chickened out because they were afraid of this big guy hitting them with a riot baton.

It was a pretty solid plan on their part, aside from that little kink. Get a guy who's probably had one too many, dare him to spend a night in a "haunted" building, then mess with his head while he's tipsy/drunk and scare the bejeebus outta him. With any luck, he'll be drunk enough to think it actually was a ghost, and even if not, the group gets to laugh at the fool they got to believe in ghosts.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-10 11:16pm

The Merdels Plantation is about a 30 minute drive north of my hometown. If I were to ever spend the night there, I'd sure as hell take my NVGs and M-9. No ghost, much less anyone pretending to be a ghost, would fuck with me that night.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2002-12-10 11:30pm

Great, entertaining fiction, but nothing more. Personally, I think ghost stories are great. But they're just that: great stories, not factual accounts.

data_link · Post by **data_link** » 2002-12-10 11:52pm

Oh ghosts definitely exist. I've got a ghost of a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. No, you can't see it, but I know it's there.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-12-10 11:55pm

Yeah, and I've got that freaky little girl from The Ring bugging me every night. Christ, what a bitch.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2002-12-11 12:36am

Messed up the poll but that does not matter because I have a feeling that if you were lucky 3 people would have voted yes.

Ewo · Post by **Ewo** » 2002-12-11 01:02am

I would like to believe in ghosts but it would suck if everyone became a ghost when they died. I like the idea that people only stick around as "ghosts" because there is something they need to do or that ghosts are really energy left from an event, not something that people become when they die. If we became ghosts then dying is stupid because you just moved from being able to manipulate the world to an eternity as a passerby.
Also, some people say that animals can see ghosts because they are more tuned in to nature. BS! If my cat could see all dead people then she would constantly be looking somewhere else because mankind has been around so long that every square inch of this place should be crawling with a ghost! We would have overpopulation on the spiritual world. And it would be scary if you were the kid from the sixth sense

So I don't know if ghosts exist, but I think that there can be some energies left behind by people that cause things to happen. And if there are ghosts that they aren't hanging around here, on earth, all the time. They are probably all at the John Edwards show...
JE: I see that you have had someone, a male figure die... it is Richard, or Rick, something distinct with an R... anyone? oh, yes, you... yes, it is for you... it is an older male. I see that it is up and to the left, up and to the left. Has your great grandfather died? Did he work? Did he love someone? Because I see him working and doing something, with someone.

stupid woman in audience: OHHH, yes, my great great grandfather was named Richard and he worked!! And he is dead!

JE: That's just his way of letting you know he is alright, of validating that.

MirrorUniverseSpy1 · Post by **MirrorUniverseSpy1** » 2002-12-11 02:04am

I never saw jack diddly to make me think ghosts were real.
We have all seen the TV shows where people swear they saw
this, that, and the other thing, but until I see something, I don't
buy it.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-12-11 09:03am

Alferd Packer wrote:Great, entertaining fiction, but nothing more. Personally, I think ghost stories are great. But they're just that: great stories, not factual accounts.

You are my new best friend. I can't believe it takes me so long to get to these threads...

Ghosts as you know them don't exist. The concept of people existing beyond death as an untouchable, incorporeal entity is silly and basically part of the cushion people need because they can't imagine not existing.

Nowadays, a lot of ghost hunters are trying to suggest that ghosts are 'imprints in space/time', as in, it's not a sentient being you're seeing, but some sort of temporal aftershock of their passing. I don't pay a hell of a lot of attention to that, so I can't extrapolate on their explanation.

Me, now, my big hobby is folklore. I've been in all kinds of 'haunted' places and talked to people ranging from suspiciously superstitious to downright looney. And thus far the best thing I've ever seen was a three-foot column of mist and light erupt from a sixty-year old broken radio in an abandoned house in Manotick, Ontario, followed by tremors and various small, loose debris jumping a half-foot off the ground. And even then I knew there were more than a few ways to explain it (despite that, that was also the night I got to witness a grown man wet himself in fear).

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-12-11 01:06pm

There is no agreement option...

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2002-12-11 01:25pm

Lagmonster wrote: Nowadays, a lot of ghost hunters are trying to suggest that ghosts are 'imprints in space/time', as in, it's not a sentient being you're seeing, but some sort of temporal aftershock of their passing. I don't pay a hell of a lot of attention to that, so I can't extrapolate on their explanation.

Well any "imprint" in space-time requires some real physical thing which could be measured, otherwise they're just speaking nonsense with scientific sounding words (ie. treknobabble). They usually say that the electrical energy within your brain maintains its structure and continue to exist, but that's rather impossible without the structure (your brain) that creates that electricity. People with brain damage can have their mental abilities and personality greatly changed, which doesn't bode well for those with the complete absence of a brain (ie. dead people and fundies).

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-12-11 04:07pm

I don't believe in ghosts, since I myself have never seen one, and the concept is irrational and unlikely to me. It's entertaining, but I don't see how people can believe it.

As for haunted houses, it's no the ghosts I'm afraid of, but rather decaying structural support, other people hiding there, dangerous, rabid animals, and fires that may trap me inside.

Ewo · Post by **Ewo** » 2002-12-11 06:54pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:I don't believe in ghosts, since I myself have never seen one, and the concept is irrational and unlikely to me. It's entertaining, but I don't see how people can believe it.

As for haunted houses, it's no the ghosts I'm afraid of, but rather decaying structural support, other people hiding there, dangerous, rabid animals, and fires that may trap me inside.

That is sure true. My friends and I have been going to an abandonned Mental assylum here and I am more worried about some homeless guy beating my head in or a cop coming than I am about anything eerie.
Still, not denying that they do exist.

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