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Falwell: "[C]ashless society," "one-world government" will happen near Rapture

Summary: Rev. Jerry Falwell stated that the United Nations is "the infrastructure, the stage on which the Antichrist will build his one-world government." Falwell also asserted that the prevalence of online bill-paying is a sign that "God is setting the stage for ... a cashless society," and that "the day will come" when "the only way you can get cash and trade and to do business is to have the mark of the beast."

Predicting events that will happen around the time that many Christians believe will be the second coming of Christ, Rev. Jerry Falwell, founder and chairman of the Moral Majority Coalition, stated during his August 27 televised sermon that the United Nations is "the infrastructure, the stage on which the Antichrist will build his one-world government." Falwell also asserted that the prevalence of online bill-paying is a sign that "God is setting the stage for ... a cashless society," and that "the day will come" when "the only way you can get cash and trade and to do business is to have the mark of the beast." Falwell also stated that "I expect the Lord to return in the 21st century ... because there are no more predicted events that need to happen," adding: "I can't prove that."

As Media Matters for America has noted, some members of the conservative media have seen signs of the Apocalypse in the recent escalation of conflicts in the Middle East and Asia. In a July 22 commentary posted on the conservative news website WorldNetDaily.com titled "On the threshold of Armageddon?," Falwell wrote: "It is apparent, in light of the rebirth of the state of Israel, that the present-day events in the Holy Land may very well serve as a prelude or forerunner to the future Battle of Armageddon and the glorious return of Jesus Christ."

The interpretation that a "cashless society" is a sign of the Antichrist derives from a verse in the Book of Revelation: "He [the Antichrist] also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name." Some religious conservatives view the United Nations as a precursor to a "one-world government" also alluded to in Revelation; for instance, in the Left Behind series of books by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins -- which uses the Book of Revelation as a "framework" to tell a story of the End Times -- the Antichrist character, Nicolae Carpathia, uses his position as United Nations secretary-general to create a world government with himself as ruler.

From Falwell's August 27 sermon at the Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Virginia, where he serves as senior pastor:

FALWELL: I expect the Lord to return in the 21st century to Rapture at his church. Now, I can't prove that. I cannot prove that the Lord is gonna come in this century. No one knows the day or the hour, but in my heart I believe it because there are no more predicted events that need to happen before our Lord can return.

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I expect a global economy in the 21st century, which first will manifest itself as a cashless society. I believe that plastic will take the place of cash, and that while this will only be fulfilled during the tribulation period at the Rapture, I believe that God is setting the stage for, and laying the infrastructure for, a cashless society right now. Most people, many pay their bills online already. And the day will come, I believe, when there will be no cash, and the only way you can get cash and trade and to do business is to [points to his forehead] have the mark of the beast.

And then I expect the nations of the world in the 21st century to move rapidly towards a one-world government. We already have the U.N. -- it's a useless bunch. But we've already got the U.N., and they will not be the one-world government, but they are the infrastructure, the stage on which the Antichrist will build his one-world government
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That's a new one. I really hadn't heard of this one before. So the "Mark of the Beast" is I assume whatever form of ID chip or some such some posit citizens getting to just buy and sell at will? How convenient.

I also notice that American Christian fundies are obsessed with "one-world government". Is this then a case of American fundie ideas drawing inspiration from the hyper-insane isolationist right-wing militia-types that think the UN is trying to take over the world?

Here's another link (includes video of idiots proclaiming next World War and Armageddon- including that moron, Glenn Beck, as well as Pat Robertson pointing at a map and prattling on about prophecy predicting that various Islamic states will ally with Russia and attack Israel, and various other morons).
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I have a pamphlet on this somewhere, someone papered every car at my work's parking lot with it. It had many of the same 'ZOMG!!! teh ID chip is the 666 mark of teh b3@st!!!!'

It completely ignores the fact that assuming you could pull the chip off you then have to make a national effort that will cost billions to install the readers.
And that's just america

Odin's beard we can't even properly maintain the infrastructure we have and Jerry thinks that the 'Anti-christ' will get us to put up yet another layer of it using the UN as a basis for world domination. How in Hera's feather's does he think that's possible, the UN's budget is less than the NYC fire department's.

Has he been reading too many comic books.

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For the Rapture Ready forum goers, this is old hat. They scream wildly about every new medical identification chip or personal id or ultra-credit card, it's all Beast to them.

The scariest among them claim they'd cut off their own hands if they were 'forced' to get id-chipped (ignore how many questions that begs).
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That's a new one. I really hadn't heard of this one before. So the "Mark of the Beast" is I assume whatever form of ID chip or some such some posit citizens getting to just buy and sell at will? How convenient.
I'm amazed you didn't hear all this! It's one of the key fundie propaganda stuff -that chip implants are coming to doom us all! People will not be able to buy or sell without their "credit" implants which will also be their only link to their account!! :lol:
I also notice that American Christian fundies are obsessed with "one-world government". Is this then a case of American fundie ideas drawing inspiration from the hyper-insane isolationist right-wing militia-types that think the UN is trying to take over the world?
No, this is a case of believing stupid shit, like "Protocols of the ELders of Zion" (check it out - many fundies yet till present sing this day and _sell_ PotEZ. Fucking crazy, yes.
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Also, don't forget.

Pre-1991. Soviet Union was "da great beasto".

Post-EU formation. The European Union is the great beast... and the future "one world government".

Post-9/11. United Nations is "da great beast".

Just where the hell they get their insane, psychotic ideas is beyond me.
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The people who would object to a microchip under the skin are being reactionary and not thinking about what a mark truely is. The mark would be more like a tatoo either visible or invisible, made of a type of ink that can be read by a scanner. The whole thing that freaks them out is that they see not being able to buy or sell as a credit card type thing. They forget that the ID chip would be more obvious. After all, only a small remnant would object to a invisible tatoo to use money and avoid being killed. Of course if this was all happening.
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The UN being the world government is pretty funny. They are hard pressed running themselves, let alone anything else. The "one world government" would devolve into anarchy within 2 weeks.
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You know, I'm starting to wonder if the Rapture did happen, when advertised: Within the lives of Jesus' disciples. It would explain the retards we got, wouldn't it?
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It is only their sheer numbers which keep Christian fundamentalism from being classified as a mental disorder.
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I've been hearing that an "implanted microchip" was the mark of the beast for over 10 years now. Nothing new. Of course those idiots can't show WHY such things like said chip or a one-world government are evil. They can only draw loose parallels between them and verses in Revelation and expect everyone to take their word for it.
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Of course those idiots can't show WHY such things like said chip or a one-world government are evil.
Neither can they put a coherent argument that this system will arise. As of now, I cannot see a One World Government for a hundred years ahead. Same with chips. What are fundies really afraid of?
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Stas Bush wrote:What are fundies really afraid of?
Change.
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Simplicius wrote:
Stas Bush wrote:What are fundies really afraid of?
Change.
And anything not explicitly allowed in the Bible.
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Psychologically speaking, I suspect it's a bit more complicated than that. Fundies are secretly afraid that they won't be invited to God's little clubhouse in the sky because they don't measure up. They're not good enough, they're not kind enough, they're not caring enough, they're not noble enough. So they lash out at all the people they feel are beneath them on the Great Totem Pole of Salvation, in an effort to make themselves feel more righteous and deserving.

That's why you run into some incredibly devout but also very tolerant people on occasion: these people have enough self-confidence that they don't feel they have to bash down everyone else in the world in order to justify their standing in God's eyes. The rest are insecure little shits who lash out like schoolyard bullies.
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Setesh wrote:I have a pamphlet on this somewhere, someone papered every car at my work's parking lot with it. It had many of the same 'ZOMG!!! teh ID chip is the 666 mark of teh b3@st!!!!'

It completely ignores the fact that assuming you could pull the chip off you then have to make a national effort that will cost billions to install the readers.
And that's just america

Odin's beard we can't even properly maintain the infrastructure we have and Jerry thinks that the 'Anti-christ' will get us to put up yet another layer of it using the UN as a basis for world domination. How in Hera's feather's does he think that's possible, the UN's budget is less than the NYC fire department's.

Has he been reading too many comic books.

P.S. Sorry for the leetspeak.
Your expressions make me laugh! :lol:

Actually, I wish we WOULD go to a cashless society. . . . .or especially a CHECK-less one. I can't stand waiting behind someone in line who's writing a check. Get a stupid check card, for pete sake!

But I digress. :wink:
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Magnetic wrote:Actually, I wish we WOULD go to a cashless society. . . . .or especially a CHECK-less one. I can't stand waiting behind someone in line who's writing a check. Get a stupid check card, for pete sake!
Its just as painful for the guy behind the register. Cards are MUCH simpler and quicker and convienent and...
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Magnetic wrote:Actually, I wish we WOULD go to a cashless society
But you do. A banknote is a representation of the actual currency. But that's lost on these nutters.
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To be honest, . . . I'd also like the ability to pay for things by just using an iris/fingerprint scan. It's much harder to loose (or have stolen) an eye or a finger, and you wouldn't have to remember your wallet. But yes, I bet MANY Christians would never use that sort of payment media because it is TOO close to "the mark".
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Magnetic wrote:To be honest, . . . I'd also like the ability to pay for things by just using an iris/fingerprint scan. It's much harder to loose (or have stolen) an eye or a finger, and you wouldn't have to remember your wallet. But yes, I bet MANY Christians would never use that sort of payment media because it is TOO close to "the mark".
And imagine the problems when you were drunk. At least when I've run out of cash, I know it's time to stop drinking ;)

This whole thing reminds me vaugely of the website I found which claimed that if you ever recieved the 'mark of the beast' anywhere, be it a bank number, phone number etc, you were condemmed to hell for eternity. I was writing a satirical essay at the time.... Easiest work I've ever done - barely any modification of the 'actual' views was needed :D
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Stas Bush wrote:Also, don't forget.

Pre-1991. Soviet Union was "da great beasto".

Post-EU formation. The European Union is the great beast... and the future "one world government".

Post-9/11. United Nations is "da great beast".

Just where the hell they get their insane, psychotic ideas is beyond me.
The United Nations being "the prophesied one world government" far predates 9/11. Heh, I remember one time driving out in the boonies, and some guy had erected on his property a near-billboard-sized sign proclaiming the evils of the UN, how they were going to "invade the US and take our guns" or something like that.

My friend and I had a good long laugh at that.
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Any guess on how many years from now until talk of the rapture is seen by virtually everyone as complete lunacy? It is frightening to think how many people in line at the grocery store believe this crap. A 2002 poll says 59% percent of Americans think the book of Revelations will happen. That is hard to type. Fifty-nine 'kin percent! I'll bet our President and many others in power are right in that figure. Now that is scary.


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God fucking damn. I'm in this man's motherfucking city now. There's a Liberty University TV Channel. It's fucking obscene.

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It's always something or another with these people. Anything new is inevitably mapped to some part of Revelations.

Having been caught up in that type of fanatism in the past, it's no fun living in fear and seeing 'marks and signs' everywhere you go. I suppose it's one way a church leader might make himself look grand, like he's 'in the know' to his congregation, interpreting 'signs of the end' and foretelling this and that. They might even go one step further to show that you have the sign on you or in your house, as one has the misfortune of experiencing.
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Uraniun235 wrote: The United Nations being "the prophesied one world government" far predates 9/11. Heh, I remember one time driving out in the boonies, and some guy had erected on his property a near-billboard-sized sign proclaiming the evils of the UN, how they were going to "invade the US and take our guns" or something like that.

My friend and I had a good long laugh at that.
The UN invading the US and taking our guns awy? :wtf:

The US basicly is the UN, what with nigh unlimited veto power and all.
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