Hi I wonder if anyone could please help me get the full list of decrees from the First Council of Orléans in 511? On the regular web I can only find references to it as specific new canon regarding but no complete list.
(I'm argiung with someone IRL on the merits of early christendom and he has just pulled clovis from his arse as an example of a noble christian....)
Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
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Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Anybody who says Clovis was a noble christian is an idiot. Don't bother with it.
As for the list of decrets, you can find them in edited latin form in: Monumenta Germaniae Historica (MGH) Conc. I 1ff. Any decent university library has them.
You can also find it digitalized here. Click on text.
As for the list of decrets, you can find them in edited latin form in: Monumenta Germaniae Historica (MGH) Conc. I 1ff. Any decent university library has them.
You can also find it digitalized here. Click on text.
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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My LPs
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Agreed on the first part. Why I bother is twofold, firstly I'm interested in the period so I'd like to know anyway, secondly to establish that apart from his own repulisve person Clovis can not even claim the council as something "good" he has done.Thanas wrote:Anybody who says Clovis was a noble christian is an idiot. Don't bother with it.
Ouch. Thanks for the source but my latin is non-existant and it being picture scans without text I can not run it through a machine translator either.Thanas wrote:As for the list of decrets, you can find them in edited latin form in: Monumenta Germaniae Historica (MGH) Conc. I 1ff. Any decent university library has them.
You can also find it digitalized here. Click on text.
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
You can select an HTML format of the pages. That said, there might be some translations out there. Again, the university library is your friend.
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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My LPs
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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My LPs
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Ah, didn't notice the html button. Tried it but the auto-translators fail every third word so its of limited use I am afraid.
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
What auto-translator are you using?
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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My LPs
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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My LPs
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Oups 
Sorry, missed your reply there.
I was using
http://www.stars21.com/translator/latin_to_english.html
after a friends recommendation.
Do you have a better suggestion?
Sorry, missed your reply there.
I was using
http://www.stars21.com/translator/latin_to_english.html
after a friends recommendation.
Do you have a better suggestion?
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
You could try looking up individual words in William Whitaker's Words, which is the best online latin dictionary I have seen.
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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My LPs
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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My LPs
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
OK thanks for the help