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Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Posted: 2010-03-10 05:06am
by Spoonist
Hi I wonder if anyone could please help me get the full list of decrees from the First Council of Orléans in 511? On the regular web I can only find references to it as specific new canon regarding but no complete list.
(I'm argiung with someone IRL on the merits of early christendom and he has just pulled clovis from his arse as an example of a noble christian....)
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Posted: 2010-03-10 09:22am
by Thanas
Anybody who says Clovis was a noble christian is an idiot. Don't bother with it.
As for the list of decrets, you can find them in edited latin form in: Monumenta Germaniae Historica (MGH) Conc. I 1ff. Any decent university library has them.
You can also find it digitalized
here. Click on text.
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Posted: 2010-03-10 10:45am
by Spoonist
Thanas wrote:Anybody who says Clovis was a noble christian is an idiot. Don't bother with it.
Agreed on the first part. Why I bother is twofold, firstly I'm interested in the period so I'd like to know anyway, secondly to establish that apart from his own repulisve person Clovis can not even claim the council as something "good" he has done.
Thanas wrote:As for the list of decrets, you can find them in edited latin form in: Monumenta Germaniae Historica (MGH) Conc. I 1ff. Any decent university library has them.
You can also find it digitalized
here. Click on text.
Ouch. Thanks for the source but my latin is non-existant and it being picture scans without text I can not run it through a machine translator either.
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Posted: 2010-03-10 10:52am
by Thanas
You can select an HTML format of the pages. That said, there might be some translations out there. Again, the university library is your friend.
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Posted: 2010-03-10 12:58pm
by Spoonist
Ah, didn't notice the html button. Tried it but the auto-translators fail every third word so its of limited use I am afraid.
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Posted: 2010-03-10 01:14pm
by Thanas
What auto-translator are you using?
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Posted: 2010-03-15 04:50am
by Spoonist
Oups
Sorry, missed your reply there.
I was using
http://www.stars21.com/translator/latin_to_english.html
after a friends recommendation.
Do you have a better suggestion?
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Posted: 2010-03-15 09:48am
by Thanas
You could try looking up individual words in
William Whitaker's Words, which is the best online latin dictionary I have seen.
Re: Need help - First Council of Orléans in 511
Posted: 2010-03-15 09:56am
by Spoonist
OK thanks for the help