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Could the Borgias Have United Italy?
Posted: 2012-02-13 02:55pm
by Chirios
I was watching the TV show and a thought occurred to me, had Rodrigo not died when he did could Cesare have successfully united Italy?
Re: Could the Borgias Have United Italy?
Posted: 2012-02-13 04:42pm
by Thanas
No. There were bigger and more powerful states in Italy (Milano, Venice, Florence) that were not led by what every other civilized leader though to be vile and (more importantly) stupid idiots.
Also, Note that a lot of Italy belonged to the three great powers of the day:
- Spain
- The Holy Roman Empire
- France
There is no way any of these could have been held off by a Borgia army.
Re: Could the Borgias Have United Italy?
Posted: 2012-02-13 04:52pm
by Chirios
Thanas wrote:No. There were bigger and more powerful states in Italy (Milano, Venice, Florence) that were not led by what every other civilized leader though to be vile and (more importantly) stupid idiots.
Also, Note that a lot of Italy belonged to the three great powers of the day:
- Spain
- The Holy Roman Empire
- France
There is no way any of these could have been held off by a Borgia army.
How far could they have gotten? They'd also have needed to integrate their conquests into a workable structure.
Re: Could the Borgias Have United Italy?
Posted: 2012-02-13 04:59pm
by Thanas
Not far at all. Remember they did not even have Rome under firm control, what with the different aristocratic families feuding over it. And they tried (unsuccesfully) to carve out their own territory in Northern Italy. Which they only managed to gain a foothold in due to French support.
Re: Could the Borgias Have United Italy?
Posted: 2012-02-17 10:19am
by Elfdart
Chirios wrote:Thanas wrote:No. There were bigger and more powerful states in Italy (Milano, Venice, Florence) that were not led by what every other civilized leader though to be vile and (more importantly) stupid idiots.
Also, Note that a lot of Italy belonged to the three great powers of the day:
- Spain
- The Holy Roman Empire
- France
There is no way any of these could have been held off by a Borgia army.
How far could they have gotten? They'd also have needed to integrate their conquests into a workable structure.
If you want an analogy to work with, keep in mind that Puzo'
The Godfather series was in large part based on the Borgias, and the crime families in the books and movies based on the squabbling noble families in Italy. Did the Corleone Family get the upper hand on the others for a while? Yes. Was there any chance whatsoever of taking over all or most of New York? No.