[Discussion] Schuyler Colfax (Responses)

[Havok]

Should we move the bulk of this to HoC where SC can respond on his own? All this "by proxy" stuff is annoying, potentially confusing, and... allows a lot of us to artificially inflate postcount by saying "guess what *I* heard!?" second-hand. Feh.

Yes. I am tired of bugging Stark... (If not, lock.)


Oh wow. This is the great rebuttal I waited for? OK one last reply and wasted post on this kid and then I am done.

Havok

He doesn't and never has felt a need to contribute.

Bullfuckingshit I never contributed. I threw in my two cents in countless threads, whether it about a news story or a stupid rar. If it was a topic I could get behind then yes, I would say something.

Learn to read dumbass. I didn't say you DID NOT contribute, I said you never felt the need...

Honestly speaking, I can contribute to the board, I just never really felt the need to. That is something else that I will work on.

Your own words.
You acknowledge your lack of contribution and cite that you can change it. Meaning even you know that you have contributed almost nothing.

He just is on the board to screw around in testing.

If you’re going to generalize all of my points, at least try to make it less obvious. Sure as of late, it may seem that way, but it hasn’t always been like that.

Generalize your points? These are the points you made slick.

When I’m bored, one of my solutions is really, to just to go and screw around in testing, until I have to do something.

He himself feels that he visits the board too often.

I highly doubt I’m the only person on this board that feels that way.

And that has bearing on my point how? This isn't a thread about other people, it is a thread about you.

This is not, nor will it ever be his main social circle/contact.

Which I was saying in response to

with the command to go out and meet real friends in the real world.

The original quote was me saying, I have friends in the real world, and you guys aren’t my only social connection, because I’m getting the impression that some of you actually feel that way.

And my point is that you will therefore NOT be losing your main source of social contact if you are dismissed from the board. It goes to my overall stand that you should not be on this board any longer. Do you really have this hard of a time with reading comprehension?

Basically, in my opinion, he doesn't benefit from being here, nor does the board or its members benefit from him being here.

I like this board, it’s exciting.

Wow. Way to make your case.

Oh and by the way...

Too many hours of advice have been wasted by countless people on him.

Hours???

Yes. Fucking HOURS.

[Mr. Coffee]

You know, I've given Colefail this bit of advice before and he didn't listen then, but maybe it'll sink through this time...

If you're not sure what to say or how what you think you might say will be received, then just shut the fuck up.

[Mayabird]

Even if Colfax is banned, he will still be trolling the chat. A temp ban would mean that he maintains his usual behavior there and then likely returns to the board doing the same crap. Is there some way of kicking him out of the chat as well?

[Mr. Coffee]

Not that I know of, Maya. If there was we wouldn't still be putting up with those assholes CloudStrife and Camel.

[Edi]

Even if Colfax is banned, he will still be trolling the chat. A temp ban would mean that he maintains his usual behavior there and then likely returns to the board doing the same crap. Is there some way of kicking him out of the chat as well?

The chat is a public, free-access venue, so no. You guys would need to implement a Final Solution on him like the ASVS did with Timmy Jones.

[RedImperator]

Even if Colfax is banned, he will still be trolling the chat. A temp ban would mean that he maintains his usual behavior there and then likely returns to the board doing the same crap. Is there some way of kicking him out of the chat as well?

Like Edi said, the only way is an ASVS-style Final Solution where everybody puts him in their killfiles. I don't think there's any way in AIM chat to ban somebody unless it's invitation-only.

[Aaron]

In light of this:

*EDIT: the worst example of this was when Colfax pretended to commit suicide in the Chat. When he realised he wasn't getting any attention, he slinked away, and to this day he refuses to admit any of it ever happened. It's his standard MO, he's doing it again here, and it is obvious he is not taking any of this seriously.

and this:

Lately, on SDN I realized that if I didn’t post anything on a certain topic, no one would really care, hence me not really feeling the need to contribute (not that I haven’t done so Havok). I never felt that there was a ‘contribute to the board or else’ type thing about this board. So I stopped coming to this board for the original reason that I joined, to practice my debating skills, improve my writing (not that I ever really worked on that), and actually be a nerd in good environment while making some ‘friends’ in the process. As of late, I’ve been finding myself with a ridiculous amount of free time. No matter how much I went out, spent time doing homework, reading, playing videogames, nothing filled in that void. So I started using Testing as an excuse to kill time. I started trolling Testing and chat for shits and giggles, and while it did piss off a lot of people; I still felt that I could get away with it. So I will apologize for treating Testing like it was 4chan. Most of my actions aren’t the result of some psychological deficiency; it’s a result of me being lazy as fuck and me being a selfish asshole. It was like poking a bear, but the bear never did anything about it. I wasn’t doing it for attention; I was doing it because I thought I could get away with it.

Coyote and Simplicious, you may consider my offer to mentor the boy withdrawn. Suicide shouldn't be played for attention or laughs and IMO he isn't interested in improving. Sorry SC but I think you ought to be banned, nothing personal mind you.

[Schuyler Colfax]

Even if Colfax is banned, he will still be trolling the chat. A temp ban would mean that he maintains his usual behavior there and then likely returns to the board doing the same crap. Is there some way of kicking him out of the chat as well?

No, I wouldn't. If I get banned then any other connections I have with this site will be terminated.

~snip~

I'd comment, but you don't know the entirety of the story.

And getting told by certain people to 'drink bleach' isn't much better.

it is obvious he is not taking any of this seriously.

Says you.

I really don't want to talk about this anymore because I feel that every time I would say something I would just make things worse. I'm sure even posting this will make things worse.

[Aaron]

I'd comment, but you don't know the entirety of the story.

Well if they story is going to help change opinions of you, then maybe you should tell us.

And getting told by certain people to 'drink bleach' isn't much better.

No, it's not but their behaviour isn't under discussion, is it?


Look, I'd like you to explain things. I personally think you got a raw deal here, similar to DEATH/.303 Bookworm because of some early stupidity but your not doing yourself any favours by obfuscating or lying about things. Hell, I bet if you apologized in a sincere manner and asked to be placed on probation that this would cease to be an issue, provided you made an honest attempt to improve.

[Schuyler Colfax]

What the hell do you think I've been doing?

I apologized a number of times.
I offered to leave for the summer.
And I promised that I would stop treating the board like its 4chan.

And clearly explaining my actions hasn't gone well for me so far.

[Oscar Wilde]

What the hell do you think I've been doing?

I apologized a number of times.
I offered to leave for the summer.
And I promised that I would stop treating the board like its 4chan.

And clearly explaining my actions hasn't gone well for me so far.

Maybe because your "explanations" involving calling other people into question (Enigmas title) and saying "FUCK YOU!" to various people, as well as admitting to trolling and being overall worthless?

[Havok]

SC, If you can make a compelling, coherent argument as to why your version of events is correct and everyone else's is wrong, people will listen. The problem is you as of yet, have not been able to do that. You have REFUSED, either consciously or not, to let any of the advice that any of us have given you sink in or help you.

This isn't a matter of people not getting your humor or any of the other issues you believe it to be about. It is about your absolute lack of maturity or progress in that department in the last couple of years, as well as how you deal with the issues that you come up against. On top of that, you completely piss off and annoy the board members that you do have almost daily contact with in the chat, many of which have tried to help you on so many occasions, one would be hard pressed to keep count.

In fact, everything I am typing right now has me literally rolling my eyes, as I know I have said all this to you at one time or another in some form and once again I find myself trying to help you despite my better judgment not to.

[CmdrWilkens]

What the hell do you think I've been doing?

I apologized a number of times.
I offered to leave for the summer.
And I promised that I would stop treating the board like its 4chan.

And clearly explaining my actions hasn't gone well for me so far.

Ya know half the reason I told the Senate I am going to sit on any punishment vote until tomorrow at the earliest is that you should have a fair chance to offer an alternative...but everyone else is also free to point to problems they have with your counter solution. The core problem here is that a noticeable number of users see your offer of an alternative course of action as more of the same that they have seen before.

Now I don't have a vote save in a tiebreaker but I can say this: If so noticeable a group of posters as have, in the Senate thread in paticular, posted in advocacy of a temp ban for you it suggests that there is cause and nothing I have seen yet from you adequately answers it.

[Schuyler Colfax]

What the hell do you think I've been doing?

I apologized a number of times.
I offered to leave for the summer.
And I promised that I would stop treating the board like its 4chan.

And clearly explaining my actions hasn't gone well for me so far.

Maybe because your "explanations" involving calling other people into question (Enigmas title) and saying "FUCK YOU!" to various people, as well as admitting to trolling and being overall worthless?

See normally I would tear you a new one, but seeings how I should be on my best behavior right now, I'll give you the 'nice' version of this.

I said 'fuck you' to one person. I don't know where you got various people from.

I did explain myself. Do you not know the definition of an 'explanation'?

a statement made to clarify something (in my case several actions) and make it understandable

And by telling everyone why I did that, I explained things to them.

I'm not posting in this thread again, so don't waste your time trying to get a rise out of me.

Look I'm just waiting for tomorrow, at this point if I were to type up anything in my defense wouldn't help. I could take some time to think and maybe do something tomorrow, but that's about it.

[Aaron]

Look I'm just waiting for tomorrow, at this point if I were to type up anything in my defense wouldn't help. I could take some time to think and maybe do something tomorrow, but that's about it.

Do take the time to think things over and come up with a more rational and thought out response, that's never a bad thing. I understand that you believe your explanations and apologies are sufficient but from what little I've seen of your posts, the criticisms are spot on. If I where you, I'd have someone a little older and more experienced with this sort of thing help you out.

What the hell do you think I've been doing?

I apologized a number of times.
I offered to leave for the summer.
And I promised that I would stop treating the board like its 4chan.

And clearly explaining my actions hasn't gone well for me so far.

If I where you, I'd also try not to take this personally. Generally mouthing off to folks trying to help you out isn't the most constructive thing to do.

[Oscar Wilde]

Maybe because your "explanations" involving calling other people into question (Enigmas title) and saying "FUCK YOU!" to various people, as well as admitting to trolling and being overall worthless?

See normally I would tear you a new one, but seeings how I should be on my best behavior right now, I'll give you the 'nice' version of this.

I said 'fuck you' to one person. I don't know where you got various people from.

I did explain myself. Do you not know the definition of an 'explanation'?

Oh no, the ITG is gonna tear me a new one!

You say fuck you to people quite a bit, notably people giving you advice. I've seen it, so have many others.

And when did I say that you didn't explain yourself? I said your explanation was deflecting to how you didn't like Enigmas title and had an admittance to trolling.

a statement made to clarify something (in my case several actions) and make it understandable

And by telling everyone why I did that, I explained things to them.

And this explanation shows you to be the worthless trolling fuck you are then you act pissed when people call you a worthless trolling fuck.

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Ah yes, my entire purpose is to get a rise out of you. I'm a common playground bully. I couldn't be trying, for reasons I don't entirely know, to show you the folly of your ways. No fucking way that could be the case.

And really, any "defense" you come up with isn't gonna work if you just keep making promises like you've made before and show yourself to be a worthless fuck.

[Mr. Coffee]

And to think, there were people (read as mirthless douchebags that had no fucking clue about how supremely annoying/lame Colefail could be sometimes) that used to swear up and down that it was a "vendetta"...

Ok, apparently explaining to Colefail the "in the event you're not sure what to say or not sure how it will be received, shut the hell up" concept didn't work (strike one...). I'll give some different advice this time and see if it works. Colefail, if you're trying to explain your actions and the explaination seems to only make people more pissed at you, then perhaps you should consider just apologizing and shutting the hell up.

See if this works...

Edit: let me explain it a little more in detail, Colefail. Already you're attempts at explaining yourself have resulted in two of the three people that have volunteered to "mentor" you washing their hands of you. In thew Senate thread they started talking about just temp banning you, but you've already managed to piss of one of the super-mods enough to want to go for a flat out permaban. So either A. you really suck at explaining things/apologizing and acting appropriately contrite, or B. you're just paying us lip service and really don't care if you get permabanned or not. You're best bet really is to just shut the fuck up and hope people either forget about you or they just go with a temp ban until you grow up a bit. I'm trying to help you here, Colefail.

[Coyote]

I must have missed the suicide thing before in the massive Sargasso Sea of Typeface in the Senate thread. That's pretty fucked up.

[Mr. Coffee]

I must have missed the suicide thing before in the massive Sargasso Sea of Typeface in the Senate thread. That's pretty fucked up.

He did it in the AIM chat. Wasn't funny when he did it and was the basis for the 'go drink bleach, Colfail" joke in the AIM chat because his "suicide attempt" involved him using bleach or some shit.

[Havok]

I'm sorry, but as lame as that was, he wasn't even being remotely serious. Bad taste? Yes. But he certainly wasn't playing up the suicide will get me sympathy and attention card.

[Mr. Coffee]

I'm sorry, but as lame as that was, he wasn't even being remotely serious. Bad taste? Yes. But he certainly wasn't playing up the suicide will get me sympathy and attention card.

Oh, I totally get that it was his lame idea of a joke, only it completely backfired on him just like it did to that one Darth guy that did it as an AFD prank on the board years ago.

[Enigma]

As my name has been mentioned I'll make a reply. The advice I gave SC is a legit and reasonable one. In no way have I had any malicious intent towards him and nor if anyone saw my thread, have I even cussed him out. Yet instead of either accepting the advise or simply ignore it, he goes off half-cocked and plainly insults me. The suggestion of laying low and temp banning yourself is valid since I myself have done that. I knew that if I didn't leave SDN for I think three months that most likely I could have gotten myself perma-banned. So SC, grow up, get a life, and I am saying this nicely.

As for my title, I am not a normal person so why a normal title?

[Shroom Man 777]

Hmm...

I think "that guy" isn't so fun anymore, not even fun in a LAEM way.

The Senate can decide his ultimate fate, for all I care.

Fuck him. Cut out his nipples and fuck him in the gaping blood-gushing wounds that were once his titties. I don't care.

We can have newer, funner stuff to do when he's gone.

[Basically it means that fun-loving Shroom has run out of sympathy for Elite Pwnage.]


EDIT:

Besides, if he used bleach to kill himself, all he would end up doing would be burning his throat or some shit. Then all they'd do afterward would be to connect his stomach or his intestines to the back of his throat, to replace the burnt esophagus and fix his GI tract.

All that'd mean is that he would no longer be able to swallow.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

I tried to give EP advice a few times. IIRC, the general tone was "Look, it's an effin' message board, the worst we can do here is nothing compared to the shit that can happen to you in real life, if it's effecting you this much, just back off and get some priorities."

Apparently he's taken this to mean 'Fly off the handle, then claim that it was all a joke, rinse-and-repeat'.

My contributions here have gone from mediocre to minimal, and yeah, I've had a number of speedbumps due to posting without thinking. Each time, though, I've backed off and found something else to engage my interest before coming back here and inadvertantly making an idiot of myself again. You don't even bother to do that, though, and honestly, I've lost interest.

[Chardok]

I will say this - I attempted to help him, both personally and on the board (That is to say, with his personal issues, not in person) My tolerance for silliness is well known as is my capacity for forgiving past silliness that crossed the line (For instance, Clownshoes is actually a pretty decent regular in the SDNchat I've got no issues with him)

He crossed the line with me the night he pretended to "commit suicide" - I happened to enter SDNET at the tail end of his "Attempt" and only got him to tell me he was joking after threatening to do an IP trace and call 911 in his city. Then he did it AGAIN. He has burned through all my goodwill and tolerance even Hav had to call me off of him once or twice. He is slowly being marginalized, however, most of his responses in the chat are either ignored or mocked. I view him now much as I would an ingrown hair that I cannot dig out - Yes, it's annoying, but if I just don't think about it, eventually it'll go away on it's own.

Or not.

Regardless, this sort of thing is exactly what he craves. We're feeding it, hell, I'M feeding it right now. I say we let all of this die on it's own, don't respond to his attention whoring, and he will either straighten up or grow bored with us and head back to YTMND or chan-land.

I almost think he is from TK, sometimes, heh. It would certainly be a well-played, epic trolling if he was.