Should Women be drafted?

[Stuart Mackey]

Of course women should not be drafted.

Go and watch fucking Saving Private Ryan. But then mentally replace the men in it with women.

A load of pretty girls running up a beach and getting their guts rolled out around them in blood and screaming agony and fear, gore guts brains severed limbs and blood.

It's a plain and simple fact to me - there is NO place for women in the meat grinder.

One could say the same thing about men. There's no difference in the way a man and a woman react to being riddled by machine-gun fire. One's as good at catching a bullet as the other. If you're going to object to women being drafted, please do so for rational reasons, not emotional ones.

Sorry, but that's not true. Men are stronger and faster than women, but women are better at survival and at moving over long distances.

New Zealand forces are officialy of the opinion that gender has nothing to do with it, only the ability to do the job. If you cannot do the job, then you dont get in regardless of whats between your legs. As such I know of women in our Artillery and in the Infantry, not a lot granted, but one or two.

[Antediluvian]

Of course women should not be drafted.

Go and watch fucking Saving Private Ryan. But then mentally replace the men in it with women.

A load of pretty girls running up a beach and getting their guts rolled out around them in blood and screaming agony and fear, gore guts brains severed limbs and blood.

It's a plain and simple fact to me - there is NO place for women in the meat grinder.

One could say the same thing about men. There's no difference in the way a man and a woman react to being riddled by machine-gun fire. One's as good at catching a bullet as the other. If you're going to object to women being drafted, please do so for rational reasons, not emotional ones.

Sorry, but that's not true. Men are stronger and faster than women, but women are better at survival and at moving over long distances.

Isn't that sort of a sweeping generalization, MOO?

Everyone's different.

[Darth Wong]

Sorry, but that's not true. Men are stronger and faster than women, but women are better at survival and at moving over long distances.

Isn't that sort of a sweeping generalization, MOO?

We have to be stronger and faster than women, so we can catch them before they get away

[Ted]

but I wonder if there was a draft today, if support for a war in Iraq would be less.

Not from the Intellgent people who relise this an't WWII we don't need 2 Million people in Iraq, your looking at six months minium before you ship out to ANYWHERE and Iraq is not likley to be it(No Machine-gun nests to charge or Beachs to invade that we don't already have enough troops for)

Unless we wanted to attack, Iraq, Iran, North Korea and .... FRANCE on the same day I don't see any possible justifcation for a Draft even assuming 40% Causlity Figures

Even though NK has the second largest standing army in the world?
And NK and France both have nukes?

[Mr Bean]

Its basic biology, Women hold large amounts of Water on hand and can live for a long time off built in body-fat/water than a man can

Men are Stronger and Faster but thats because where we have muscle they have supplies

[Mr Bean]

Even though NK has the second largest standing army in the world?
And NK and France both have nukes?

Its a point Ted you don't seem to graps as you never seem to grasp anything I try and say

The Fact is unless we wanted to Fight North Korea, and Iraq at the same time, THEN add somthing else in there, there are quite enough Troops and planes on hand to do that sort of a conflict, We COULD with todays forces fight a NK, Iraq war assuming it did not go Nuclear as they only way to attack NK is through China(Ha ha ha yeah right) or South Korea(Which would have to support us and we have thier large army/airforce to draw on)

[Ted]

Why would SK support you?
You just assume that everybody will fall instep behind you.
How, with a fighting force of only a few hundred thousand, are you gonna defeat an army of 1 million, out of range of land based planes, (Japan probably wouldnt let you fly sorties from there) and with only one CVBG in the area, with maybe one or two more escorting the landing craft?

[Antediluvian]

Its basic biology, Women hold large amounts of Water on hand and can live for a long time off built in body-fat/water than a man can

Men are Stronger and Faster but thats because where we have muscle they have supplies

You're still making a sweeping generalization.

You can't just say that every single man is stronger and faster than every single woman out there and vice versa. You see what I mean?

[Antediluvian]

Sorry, but that's not true. Men are stronger and faster than women, but women are better at survival and at moving over long distances.

Isn't that sort of a sweeping generalization, MOO?

We have to be stronger and faster than women, so we can catch them before they get away

But you see what I'm getting at, right Mike?

[Antediluvian]

Anyway, women should be able to be drafted.

If men are, I don't see why women can't be.

[Yogi]

Assuming abolishing the draft is not an option . . .

Equal benefits = Equal cost

Women and men should both be drafted, and then their physical ability determins where they are sent. An extremely athletic woman would serve on the front lines, while scrawny men would be in a support role.

[Mr Bean]

How, with a fighting force of only a few hundred thousand, are you gonna defeat an army of 1 million, out of range of land based planes, (Japan probably wouldnt let you fly sorties from there) and with only one CVBG in the area, with maybe one or two more escorting the landing craft?

YOUR STILL MISSING THE POINT
Either SK is on your side or you don't invade NK its that simple, Unless China Kindly agrees to let you borrow THIER rail-lines and bases to stage your assests out of you CAN'T attack NK in any desent way, thats the point

China or SK must support you, if not, feel free to draft a few million Americans and invade either country but I think you'll find it as hard as trying to invade NK without them...

Logiscitly we CAN'T FIGHT a War in NK without SK's support no matter how many people you have under the US Flag, the simple fact is we don't have the anhib assests to mount another D-Day style large scale Beach Landing

Its very simple Ted, It does not matter if there where a DRAFT TOMMROW! for 20 million new people. We simple would not have any way of using them, we have enough trouble as it is moving our Airborn Divisions around NOW without a load of new people from a Draft tossed in thier too

The Draft Surives a few purposes, but the basic one is to get cannon fodder for attacks, Now it takes YEARS to get a fully quailifed and trained Airborn trooper trained, in a plane and ready to hop out at a moments notice, Thats not where Draftees usaly end up, Drafteese pretty much end up as GIs or Support

You're still making a sweeping generalization.

Yes I'm making a Sweeping Generalization and I'm right, Not just because one makes one does not mean one is right, Sure Training and PT can over-come this to an extent, but ONLY an extent, You can't make a man fly no matter how high he can jump and this basic fact that women can go farther/longer without food then men is somthing one can't overcome, did I say it mattered?

No just point it out(And making a Correct Sweeping Generlization)

[Raptor 597]

I say draft the feminists with the "equal immaturity card" let them get killed for "equal rights"

[RayCav of ASVS]

Assuming abolishing the draft is not an option . . .

Equal benefits = Equal cost

Women and men should both be drafted, and then their physical ability determins where they are sent. An extremely athletic woman would serve on the front lines, while scrawny men would be in a support role.

But the atheltic women tend to be the cute ones!

I say just contract out Manmillian Armor Werks to build a bunch of Necromancer droids to do the job for us. Or better yet get out the Genosians or Kaminoans

[IRG CommandoJoe]

I don't want to take the time to answer many people of whom I partially agree and partially disagree with because that would take hours to do. So, I'll just add some more of my opinions on the matter.

Apparantly, there is no need for the draft. But hypothetically speaking, if there was a need for a draft to defend the U.S., I would say women should also be drafted.

Many people here have said that women should not be drafted because they aren't as strong as men. Now I agree with this. This, however, supports my view that women should be drafted. This supports my view because if women were drafted, they could fill many more of the non-combat roles that other more physically able men would have had in the war. So this means that there is a better fighting force on the battlefield.

Also, I believe that men and women are equal. They have the same rights AND responsibilities. So they should be treated as equals whenever possible in our government and society. I believe that excluding women from the draft is as offensive as excluding certain racial groups from the draft.

I hope that clears up some of my views.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Anyone who's a voting citizen, male or female, should be eligible for the draft - But only in wartime. I wouldn't support a peacetime conscript army whatsoever, but if we needed to levy troops in wartime, it's fine with me. Rights come with responsibilities - That's very clear in the history of democracy, going back to its founding at the end of Dark Ages Greece.

Then, the voting populace were the land owning men who could muster with arms to fight for their land. Eventually it was extended to those who could row to defend their homes as well - IE, the whole populace of male citizens. But you were expected to defend what you voted in.

In the same way, if you're a citizen of your nation who's exercising your right to elect your representatives, you should be eligible to be called up for service during a declared war. Only during a declared war, but during one, yes. Gender should be totally irrelevant to the equation.

[Thunderfire]

The draft should only apply to creationists. Not only are they worthless cannon fodder, but they believe they will go to a better place after death anyway.

Nah wars can be good to sort out the unfit. That's evolutionist. About the
draft itself. Well I think that depends on the country. The social network
of some countries depends on it.

[Antediluvian]

[/quote] (Yes I'm making a Sweeping Generalization and I'm right, Not just because one makes one does not mean one is right, Sure Training and PT can over-come this to an extent, but ONLY an extent, You can't make a man fly no matter how high he can jump and this basic fact that women can go farther/longer without food then men is somthing one can't overcome, did I say it mattered?

No just point it out(And making a Correct Sweeping Generlization)
[/quote]

The fact that said you said training can overcome this to an extent disproves the generalization that MOO made and that you're trying to defend.

In other words, you made my point for me.

Everyone is different, and you have to take that into account, especially factors such as diet and exercise, the body shape they were born with, the amount of tesosterone/estrogen in their bodies etc.

I'm shocked that you and MOO would post such a logical fallacy, because you're obviously a perceptive and intelligent person, and so is MOO.

And obviously, you seem to think it mattered, or you wouldn't have defended MOO's statement.

[Antediluvian]

Assuming abolishing the draft is not an option . . .

Equal benefits = Equal cost

Women and men should both be drafted, and then their physical ability determins where they are sent. An extremely athletic woman would serve on the front lines, while scrawny men would be in a support role.

But the atheltic women tend to be the cute ones!

I say just contract out Manmillian Armor Werks to build a bunch of Necromancer droids to do the job for us. Or better yet get out the Genosians or Kaminoans

You like athletic women?

Cool.

[Mr Bean]

The fact that said you said training can overcome this to an extent disproves the generalization that MOO made and that you're trying to defend.

To an EXTEND!
Don't you understand?

Just because one makes a Sweeping Generlization does not mean one is wrong!

He's one

Dead people don't tend to make phone calls to relatives thefore marking long distance service to them is not a good idea!

Sweeping Generlization right? And I'm corret arn't I?

The fact is to an extent ANYTHING can be corrected but a Trained Woman and a Trained Man, all things considered She WILL go on longer than an equaly trained maned

Sure its a sweeping generelization but its based off Biology!

Here's another one

Human beings without a Head tend to die within hours of loosing it

Its basic Bilogy friend
A Woman Weighing XXX and a Man Weigh =XXX the man will not last as long in a starvation test as the Woman will

Are you honsetly trying to deny basic Biology? You missing the point I'm making AGIAN

[Antediluvian]

The fact that said you said training can overcome this to an extent disproves the generalization that MOO made and that you're trying to defend.

To an EXTEND!
Don't you understand?

Just because one makes a Sweeping Generlization does not mean one is wrong!

He's one

Dead people don't tend to make phone calls to relatives thefore marking long distance service to them is not a good idea!

Sweeping Generlization right? And I'm corret arn't I?

The fact is to an extent ANYTHING can be corrected but a Trained Woman and a Trained Man, all things considered She WILL go on longer than an equaly trained maned

Sure its a sweeping generelization but its based off Biology!

Here's another one

Human beings without a Head tend to die within hours of loosing it

Its basic Bilogy friend
A Woman Weighing XXX and a Man Weigh =XXX the man will not last as long in a starvation test as the Woman will

Are you honsetly trying to deny basic Biology? You missing the point I'm making AGIAN

I see your point. You're missing mine. In your two examples, everyone is in the same state. Dead and missing a head. But that doesn't apply to the statement "Men are stronger and faster than women(which is the statement I'm having trouble with. The other doesn't really matter to me). It doesn't allow for individuality, and all you're doing is placing everyone in the same group regardless of physical condition!

See how this is incorrect?

[Mr Bean]

and all you're doing is placing everyone in the same group regardless of physical condition

No I'm not! Your missing the Bloody point, I said plane and simply

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL

Not EVERYONE IS EQUAL

[Antediluvian]

and all you're doing is placing everyone in the same group regardless of physical condition

No I'm not! Your missing the Bloody point, I said plane and simply

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL

Not EVERYONE IS EQUAL

Yes, you are. Or were.

Not every single man in the world is stronger and faster than every single woman on the Earth! That's what I'm talking about!

I wasn't disputing the survival and endurance capabilities of women! But the stronger and faster statement!

Jesus Christ.

I'm glad to see you finally admit that everyone is different at least.