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Col. Crackpot wrote:
Anhaga wrote:So you hate lagers but you like Heineken?

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you hate bad lagers and like decent ones like Heineken? :)
Heineken is Dutch Budweiser with extra horse piss.
Actually, in most countries the standard beer is nothing special. Or so I've heard...


As for Budweiser - I once saw a parody site called "Urine, king of beers". That says it all.
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Master of Ossus wrote:Frankly, it's a lot more expensive to make high-quality beers than it is to make low-quality ones, and in the United States there are very few people who simply demand to have high-quality beers.

Also, though, there is a real aversion to marketing for high-quality beer-drinkers. I specifically recall a small-scale brewing company that had cultivated a loyal group of customers for years by making superb beers and asking premium prices. It had a regular distribution chain and everything. Then the owner died and passed the company on to his son, who immediately changed the brewing process and came on with a set of advertisements as follows: "Some beers are made for the discriminating palate. They use top-quality ingredients, hand-selected by master brewers to deliver the ultimate experience to drinkers. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM." They went out of business within months.
Sounds pretty stupid to me. Of course, i wouldn't care if every beer in the world disappeared tomorrow, except that it is used in some pretty good-tasting dishes (beer-fried chicken, as an example).

If you think about it, its kinda sick. You know what alcohol is? ethanol, C2H5OH. Which is also an additive in gasoline, similar to MBTE or tetraethyl lead. And it's a fuel in its own right - some cars can even burn it (or can be jerry-rigged to burn it). Ethanol is a hydrocarbon, just like such products as gasoline, motor oil, rubbing alcohol, farts, plastics, and wax. None of which are edible or drinkable. And we're not talking small quantities - 100-proof whiskey is 50% by mass ethanol. Assuming 1 gram per mililiter (a rough guess, based on water), every 30 mL shotglass is going to have roughly 15g ethanol. Someone who drinks 10 shots and gets hammered has drunk 150 g / 150 mL of a chemical that is also a gasoline additive.

Then again, it's sick to think of how they make cheese, meats, soy sauce, and a lot of 'edible' products as well, so maybe it's not so bad after all. But then, you'd have to drink a LOT of soy sauce to get hammered, and you'd probably die of high blood pressure long before then.
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Anhaga wrote:I don't understand why someone would do that. Especially in a family owned firm. And with an advertising slogan like that. Was the guy an idiot? He had a loyal customer base and decided to change the beer to something no different than mass market beer?
Didn't he realise that if people wanted mass market beer they'd buy a generic brand instead of paying more for the same thing from a small firm?
He must not have. He felt that there was more profit to be made in a big, cheap brewing house. It's now a case-study in what NOT to do when you inherit a family business.
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admiral_danielsben wrote:If you think about it, its kinda sick. You know what alcohol is? ethanol, C2H5OH. Which is also an additive in gasoline, similar to MBTE or tetraethyl lead. And it's a fuel in its own right - some cars can even burn it (or can be jerry-rigged to burn it).
Most modern cars can run on fuel that consists of 85% ethanol.
And we're not talking small quantities - 100-proof whiskey is 50% by mass ethanol. Assuming 1 gram per mililiter (a rough guess, based on water), every 30 mL shotglass is going to have roughly 15g ethanol. Someone who drinks 10 shots and gets hammered has drunk 150 g / 150 mL of a chemical that is also a gasoline additive.
I imagine it would be more than that, since alcoholic drinks should mass more than 1g/ml.
Then again, it's sick to think of how they make cheese, meats, soy sauce, and a lot of 'edible' products as well, so maybe it's not so bad after all. But then, you'd have to drink a LOT of soy sauce to get hammered, and you'd probably die of high blood pressure long before then.
Precisely. Comparing one thing to another is not a good method of determining edibility. For example: rasberries are good to eat; therefore these red berries should be good to eat. That is a good way to book yourself on a one-way trip to the morgue.
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Some beers even have traces of formaldehyde in, you know, just incase you didn't have enough sickly thoughts about it.
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Slartibartfast wrote:Good, yes, but not as good as the locals I'm used to drink.
What's with "slobby" anyway? :?
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Col. Crackpot wrote:ahhh yes, i am quite an expert in this field.

The Colonels Approved List of American Beer:

Am surprised you Didn't list SanFran's Blue Anchor Liberty Bell......


The Colonel's Approved List of European Beer:

Guiness Stout (Ireland)
Newcastle Brown Ale (UK)
Bass Ale (UK)
Pilsner Urquell (Chech. Rep.)
Beck's Oktoberfest (Germany)

Add - Badger Brewery's Tanglefoot (UK)
Adnam's Broadside (UK)
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Zac Naloen wrote:crazy thing about ouzo is... mix it with water and you'll be on the floor.
My bro drank a litre of the stuff in orange cordial when we were at a beach BBQ in Corfu once. He was about 12 at the time and didn't even show signs of drunkenness.
There was this one guy around the same time I had the ouzo who had never tried it before. He walked up, remarked that he'd heard a lot about ouzo and was curious, and proceeded to down a large shotglass of it (maybe 3 ounces). Then he went for the Metaxa brandy and downed a shotglass of that.

I left shortly afterwards, but I was kind of wondering exactly how drunk the guy had gotten himself. Didn't see him when I came back a half-hour later to unload some cooking supplies, so...
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I can't stand the taste of any beer. They'll all too bitter to me.

So, give me Groundhog Cider.
Or Scadian-made mead, cordials, and other sweet drinks.

Or... "Ieskey-vahal" (Whiskey, honey, and spices)
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Beer is not supposed to be drunk chilled down to tastelessness. As soon as the average American learns that simple fact there might be a chance for American breweries to turn out something sufficiently resembling beer.

Beer has to be made with barley or wheat malt, hops, water and nothing else!
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Sininen ja Olvi
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Koff, Koff, Koff
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His Divine Shadow wrote:Lapin Kulta, Lapin Kulta
Karjala, Karjala
Sininen ja Olvi,
Sininen ja Olvi
Koff, Koff, Koff
Koff, Koff, Koff
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Jawawithagun wrote:Beer is not supposed to be drunk chilled down to tastelessness. As soon as the average American learns that simple fact there might be a chance for American breweries to turn out something sufficiently resembling beer.

Beer has to be made with barley or wheat malt, hops, water and nothing else!
45F is a good beer temperature. Also, for you to compare all American beers with Budweiser and Miller Lite is like comparing All Australlians to Steve Irwin or All British dental hygine habits with Austin Powers. Most beer drinkers I know enjoy the craftmanship of local Microbrews. Also many of the national brewers of craft beers (Sam Adams, Sierra Nevada, Harpoon, etc) comply with the German Beer Purity Laws (Rhinhenselbuht or whatever the hell its called.)
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Some beers even have traces of formaldehyde in, you know, just incase you didn't have enough sickly thoughts about it.
Folks also sprinkle a little on their marijuana. I mean, bad enough to smoke the stuff, but add some death preservative... yeesh.
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His Divine Shadow wrote:Lapin Kulta, Lapin Kulta
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Sininen ja Olvi
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Only one I haven't drunk is Sininen = Blue if I remember my Finnish?
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Some beers even have traces of formaldehyde in, you know, just incase you didn't have enough sickly thoughts about it.
Is it Methanol that is converted to formaldehyde by your body if you drink it or one of the other -anols ?
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Glocksman wrote:
Too bad it's only a regional beer and not available in my area. :cry:
There are a lot of good regional beers in the USA. Everyone thinks American beer's shit because all the good American beer is near completely unavailable more than one state away from where it's made.

Anyway, I drink Guinness, Spitfire, 6X, and Directors for preference, occasionally Marstons Pedigree. But I'll put up with Stella if there's nothing else going
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ah, Spifire!! Yummy! I've noticed sme decent American beers in Safeways recently - inlcuding Liberty Bell.

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Forget beer...take a bottle of any brand of grain alcohol and somthing like soda or juice to add to the stuff to dilute it. If you know anything about alcohol, you should know that a lot will kill you. In other words don't spike your drink with too much. Enjoy your drinks! :wink:
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Trekdestroyer wrote:Forget beer...take a bottle of any brand of grain alcohol and somthing like soda or juice to add to the stuff to dilute it. If you know anything about alcohol, you should know that a lot will kill you. In other words don't spike your drink with too much. Enjoy your drinks! :wink:
Ah, yes, but a little is good for you. Lowers your blood pressure dontyerknow. (especially red wine).
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A bit of beer is good for digestion. A bit of wine is good for cholesterol. (but the red one is bad for that uric (sp?) acid thing that old people get and their feet get all swollen). Alcohol in general is very bad for diabetics.

In moderation, alcohol is a good muscle relaxant. Beer and wine are the most enjoyable :) go beer!

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No one has yet mentioned the best beer ever--

Hoegaarden.
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For me Hoegaarden's nice one in a while but it's a bit fruity for my taste for regular drinking.
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