Three Texas Republicans won with exactly 18,181 votes each.

[Mr Bean]

Ahh back to the Hitler/Bush Parrel

The problem is this

You accuse Bush of Being an idiot, out of place, exctra exctra while same time saying he is Hitler(Obvious Demonzation attempt)

And you bring up examples of Legislation, then Compare Homeland Secruity and through your Logic(Or acutal the Articule writers logic) that the FBI and the CIA are through the new Bill the new SA and SS for American Glory be America Bullshit

You neatly side-step the main problem by Calling Bush Hitler you accuse him of being JUST LIKE HITLER
While bringing up evidance of LEGISLATION Simliar to that Present in Nazi Germany, I won't aurgue with the fact some of the things passed can be seriously abused it still does not get to the Basic Point that your Accusing Bush of Being Hitler and not American Turning into Nazi Germany(As the French and Germans love it call us)


Try it a liittle harder this time, How is BUSH like Hitler not how is AMERICA like Nazi Germany

[MKSheppard]

And you're some legendary military tactician?

Nope. He does know some modicum of WHY it is a bad
idea to attack North Korea while we're attacking Iraq. See,
durig the Clinton Administration, they gutted the TWO WAR
doctrine, that said that US Forces had to be capable of fighting
two wars at once.....

You conservatives have ignored all the evidence I have provided of a conservative bias in the media, among other things.

Then why do I see news reports breathlessly reporting on the evils
of guns, and why they should be banned, instead of reporting for
the 2nd amendment, like little good conservatives would?

Then you would have endorsed Gore, who is clearly less 'evil' than Bush.

Endorse a man who wanted to plunge us into the fucking Dark Ages
by getting rid of the Internal Combustion Engine? Please.

Bush himself is a young earth creationist fucktard. Practicly his whole administration is fundie. He receives funding from a fundie cult leader. He pushes vouchers, which favor fundie schools. Same with xtian 'charities'.

And this is important, how? Anyone with a brain can see that our
Pubic Skuels are failing, and that throwing more money at them
is not the answer. As long as bush isn't asking for bills that give him
the power to intern millions of heathens for the crime of not believing
in the Lord Jesus Christ, I don't give a fuck what his religion is.

[Ultra]

Hi troll. Then I guess we should do something about the conservatives that prop up these dictators in the first place.

What conservatives propping up dictators? North Korea signed an agreement
witht the Clinton Admin not to develop nukes in exchange for us building
them a Nuke Reactor and giving them 500,000 tons of fuel yearly.....

Hello? Reagan propping up the Taliban? Making deals with terrorists regarding hostages? Iran?

Now it's ten years later or so, and we find out that the North Koreans broke
the damn treaty and kept on devloping Nukes....SURRRPRISE![

Now we have Bush doing his best to please NKorea, and keeping his eyes on Iraq, while everyone else was saying "forget iraq, look at N Korea"

Surprise!

Try doing anything about terrorist activities when conservatives are funding these same terrorists, and diverting the congress, the senate, the judiciary, the media, and everyone else to bring you down over a blowjob.

You conservatives didn't care about terrorists during Clinton's term. Now you do, since you have a president that's in it for the oil.

Proof that Conservatives are funding terrorists? All Clinton ever did during
his entire term was to prop up FUNDIE MUSLIMS who were losing wars
and to do puny insignificant missile strikes on empty training camps
with Tomahawks (he damn near depleted the Navy's ENTIRE TLAM
inventory to such an extent that we had to begin converting the nuke
TLAMS to conventional to fill stocks)

Bush Sr is a member of the Carlysle group, which deals in oil and sells weapons. Through Carlysle, Bush helped supply the Taliban and other regimes with weapons. Bush jr gave the taliban 50 million in 2001. Reagan supported the Taliban, but that's ok with you guys. It's ok to train terrorists on US land so we can have our shits and giggles over the eurasia.

[Mr Bean]

And you're some legendary military tactician?

No I'm asking you Captian Brillant How does one attack a Nation as you seem to be demanding we do with a 20+ to 1 Advantage with no Forward Base and No means of Resupply who have Tatical and Possibley Strategic Nuclear Weapons tell me, its not that fucking hard... what exactly could we do IF WE WANTED TO DO ANYTHING
Does not take a four star general to tell you when the Suns up...

There is no logic error. I have seen you call yourself a conservative before

Strange I don't remeber me saying that prehaps if you would be so kind as to back up that statment

And if that weren't enough, all your ignorant rants point to this. Connect the dots. You conservatives have ignored all the evidence I have provided of a conservative bias in the media, among other things.

Triple Ad Homean! Implies I'm an idiot, I have a Darkstar Level Wall of Ignorance and I'm lieing!

Then you would have endorsed Gore, who is clearly less 'evil' than Bush.

Twising my words what fun it is I suppose when you clip all the relvant quotes explaing WHY Gore was worse than Bush

Bush himself is a young earth creationist fucktard. Practicly his whole administration is fundie. He receives funding from a fundie cult leader. He pushes vouchers, which favor fundie schools. Same with xtian 'charities'.

I see and Evidance for this is where? You call him fundie without provind proof you accuse him of the same things I accuse Liberman off while not proving revlant Proof to that...

If you aren't a conservative then you're fooling everyone here.

Fallen on your own sword Eh Ultra? My entire statment you quoted refernce I'm aginst people who are Idiotic and Evil therfor I must be a Conservative

What does that make you?

[MKSheppard]

Hello? Reagan propping up the Taliban? Making deals with terrorists regarding hostages? Iran?

You stupid fucktard, why don't you take a belt sander to your forehead,
to try to get that asymptomotically sloping look off?

Reagan did NOT fund the Taliban, he funded the Muhijaadeen, which
later became the Northern Alliance, who has been fighting the Taliban
for the last 10 years!

As for Iran Contra, well, that was a hell of a good deal, we bankrupted
what, 4 different enemies of America in the process of freeing AMERICAN
CITIZENS being held hostage....

Now we have Bush doing his best to please NKorea, and keeping his eyes on Iraq, while everyone else was saying "forget iraq, look at N Korea"

Surprise!

You're too stupid to live. Your beloved President Clinton gutted the military
to such an extent we can no longer do TWO WARS at once, which was the
primary tenet of our Cold War policy.

Bush jr gave the taliban 50 million in 2001.

So? That was to eradicate the Opium Trade. It's too damn bad
they had to bite our hand like that, but oh well, that's politics.

[Ultra]

You conservatives have ignored all the evidence I have provided of a conservative bias in the media, among other things.

Then why do I see news reports breathlessly reporting on the evils
of guns, and why they should be banned, instead of reporting for
the 2nd amendment, like little good conservatives would?

I don't see these reports. I do see, however, gun nuts advocating people carring uzis around for their enjoyment.

Then you would have endorsed Gore, who is clearly less 'evil' than Bush.

Endorse a man who wanted to plunge us into the fucking Dark Ages
by getting rid of the Internal Combustion Engine? Please.[/quote]

Please stop talking out of your ass. Gore doesn't want us to, say tommorow, stop using all combustion engines. He wants to help the environment, and who the fuck wouldn't? Well, peabrained conservatives, but we know how illogical they are anyway.

Bush himself is a young earth creationist fucktard. Practicly his whole administration is fundie. He receives funding from a fundie cult leader. He pushes vouchers, which favor fundie schools. Same with xtian 'charities'.

And this is important, how? Anyone with a brain can see that our
Pubic Skuels are failing, and that throwing more money at them
is not the answer. As long as bush isn't asking for bills that give him
the power to intern millions of heathens for the crime of not believing
in the Lord Jesus Christ, I don't give a fuck what his religion is.[/quote]

Sorry, don't want my tax dollars supporting the nazi youth for christ schools, which is where voucher $$$ would go.


Up in Michigan those same rich Republicans have voted down again and again any initiative to fund public schools and to save them. Spending on public schools in Michigan has been halved.
Then they use the "voucher program" to say, see, public schools are failing so we should take that money away from them!

Well, what is wrong with THIS tactic? Set them up to fail, then propose we fund religious schools so kids can get programmed to believe in the great white republican way.

You have absolutely NO WAY of proving private schools are "more efficient dollar for dollar" because private schools are exempt from government oversight, which would prove whether or not they are more efficient and more importantly, whether their teaching standards were up to snuff. Yours is an especially specious and groundless argument.

Secondly, and let me tell you this causes me no end of anger, private schools can deny ANYONE admission. And where I live, they have done exactly that: denying handicapped kids admission, saying they don't have to abide by governmental regulations requiring the schools to accomodate them, which is true.

So using your argument tactics, you're in favor of allowing anybody who doesn't fit the private school's criteria to languish in public schools that are falling apart, that would have substandard equipment, and probably substandard teachers because they can't earn a decent wage.

Now. You know what I'm in favor of? I'm in favor of setting public schools up to SUCCEED, not to fail. What republicans do to public schools and teachers should be criminal; lying about teacher credentials, attacking the union as anti-American, lying about the MEA here in Michigan having a "gay agenda" in public schools, refusing to fund education programs.

And never being called on the carpet for it.

[MKSheppard]

Please stop talking out of your ass. Gore doesn't want us to, say tommorow, stop using all combustion engines. He wants to help the environment, and who the fuck wouldn't? Well, peabrained conservatives, but we know how illogical they are anyway.

Read his fucking BOOK, Earth in the Balance, asshole. It's the fucking
MEIN KAMPF of Gore's career.

Sorry, don't want my tax dollars supporting the nazi youth for christ schools, which is where voucher $$$ would go.

And I don't want my tax dollars supporting "alternative sex ed" in my
public schools here in Montgomery County, MD.

Up in Michigan those same rich Republicans have voted down again and again any initiative to fund public schools and to save them. Spending on public schools in Michigan has been halved.

Damn good for them! Make them do with less money!

Then they use the "voucher program" to say, see, public schools are failing so we should take that money away from them!

Here in Montgomery County, we keep throwing money at our Pubic
Skuels, and they keep failing. Money is not the end-all for all of
our school problems, you fucktard.

You have absolutely NO WAY of proving private schools are "more efficient dollar for dollar" because private schools are exempt from government oversight, which would prove whether or not they are more efficient and more importantly, whether their teaching standards were up to snuff. Yours is an especially specious and groundless argument.

Well shit, I spent 18 years in pubic Skuels and i KNOW i am not sending
my future kids to one....I am sending them to private schools, like your
idols Bill Clinton and Al Gore, who sent their kids to elite, exclusive PRIVATE
SCHOOLS, rather than the fucked up DC Pubic Skuels.

Secondly, and let me tell you this causes me no end of anger, private schools can deny ANYONE admission. And where I live, they have done exactly that: denying handicapped kids admission, saying they don't have to abide by governmental regulations requiring the schools to accomodate them, which is true.

Damn right. I don't want my kid's school payments going to support a
retarded fuck who needs 20 helpers to even stay abreast in class.

So using your argument tactics, you're in favor of allowing anybody who doesn't fit the private school's criteria to languish in public schools that are falling apart, that would have substandard equipment, and probably substandard teachers because they can't earn a decent wage.

Stop with this decent wage crap. School teachers are OVEREDUCATED.
Want to know why schools are failing? It's because of the fucking NEA,
who keeps insisting on more and more standards for teachers, and
to get these standards, the teachers have to go to college, which means...
expensive loans, and that means they need to be paid more to pay
off their student loans......hell, I could probably do a better job as an
elementary school teacher in history than most of the people the NEA
likes.

Now. You know what I'm in favor of? I'm in favor of setting public schools up to SUCCEED, not to fail. What republicans do to public schools and teachers should be criminal; lying about teacher credentials, attacking the union as anti-American, lying about the MEA here in Michigan having a "gay agenda" in public schools, refusing to fund education programs.

And never being called on the carpet for it.

Oh boo hoo hoo.

[Raptor 597]

*Sits back and watches the Flame War* Geez, Ultra calm the Hell down. Bean, what happened I go too sleep for 3 hours, and there is a massive argument?

[Mr Bean]

Bean, what happened I go too sleep for 3 hours, and there is a massive argument?

Sorry but I'm being educated by Ultra here that Being Anti-Evil/Anti-Idiot Makes me a Conservative and I'm trying to dig up the logic behind that and find out what he implies by that

[Joe]

The Day the Press Wakes up to the fact that the Fomer Majority Leader of the Senate Tom Dashel Changes his postion on ANYTHING Twice a week is the day we no longer have a Liberal Biased Media, Can you name the number of places where Bill Clintons 2 Billion Dollers in Unreported Gifts were mentioned? Twas not CNN, MSNBC or ABC thats for sure, I heard that Story on the Fox News Channel

(FYI Unreported Gifts means things that the President is Given but does not keep, in this case Clinton "Donated" the Gifts(Inculding stock opitions whos vaule is not calcuated in) to his "Musem" and strangly most of those items are in temproary storage at the Clinton home....)

Oh PLEASE. Almost every single accusation against Clinton was aired and pushed in the mainstream media. Very few exceptions exist IIRC, one of which was him fathering a black baby; that was left to Rush and the christian right. One thing I must note : I havn't heard of Clinton 'donating' gifts to his museum, not even on the wacko far right websites such as freerepublic.com or lucianne.com. Then again, it's probably as bogus an accusation as when you guys said he trashed the white house and AF1. Conservatives spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to dig up dirt on him, yet found only an affair.

LOL, your ignorance (or your willful disregard of the truth) is appaling. Have you forgotten Whitewater, Travelgate, basically converting the Lincoln Bedroom into a four-star hotel for DNC donors, and the bizarre conduct of the first couple during their final days in the White House?

Fox News is conservative. Don't even bother arguing this point with me. Hannity, O Reilly, Olly North (convicted criminal), Vester, Fox and Friends, Geraldo (when he was offered the dough to join with Fox, he called Clinton a liar and a perjurer) , Cavuto, etc. They are all conservatives.

Clinton is a liar and a perjurer. Only an idiot or a willfully blind liar would deny this. And Fox News is conservative (neoconservative, at least), but that's only one network.

Add it up :

- The media is owned by an ever decreasing number of businesses through mergers. These businesses are conservative in their very nature.

- Talk Radio is completely conservative.

- Reagan killed the fairness doctrine, which allowed the media to be bought up.

The fairness doctrine was anti-free speech, why shouldn't he kill it?

- GOP strategist William Kristol admits calling the media liberal was a tactic:

"I admit it: the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."


- Pat Buchanan admits there's no liberal media:

"The truth is, I've gotten fairer, more comprehensive coverage of my ideas than I ever imagined I would receive." He further conceded: "I've gotten balanced coverage and broad coverage -- all we could have asked… For heaven sakes, we kid about the liberal media, but every Republican on earth does that."

Appeals to authority; even so, WHERE do these quotes prove your point; they only concede that the liberal media is not as powerful as many conservatives have alleged. If anything, Buchanan's quotes DISPROVES your point, since he seems to be claiming that the media is fair and balanced in it's coverage of ideas.

- Adam Myerson, editor of the conservative Heritage Foundation's Policy Review, admits a conservative bias :

"[Pundit] journalism today is very different from what it was 10 to 20 years ago. Today, op-ed pages are dominated by conservatives… We have a tremendous amount of conservative opinion, but this creates a problem for those who are interested in a career in journalism after college… If Bill Buckley were to come out of Yale today, nobody would pay much attention to him. He would not be that unusual… because there are probably hundreds of people with those ideas [and] they have already got syndicated columns."

Another appeal to authority. OK, this one proves that pundit journalism is conservative; does not prove that the media as a whole has a conservative bias, as you claim.

- New polls show the majority of journalists are centrists. And of those who are not centrists, there are more conservatives than liberals on economic issues.

The following study was conducted by David Croteau of Virginia Commonwealth University. (24) He targeted Washington bureau chiefs and Washington-based journalists who cover national politics and/or economic policy. His questionnaires went to 78 national news organizations, with an emphasis on the following 14:

1. ABC News /ABC Radio
2. Associated Press /AP Broadcast News
3. Bloomberg News
4. CNN
5. Knight-Ridder Newspapers/Tribune Information Services
6. Los Angeles Times
7. NBC News
8. New York Times
9. Reuters America, Inc.
10. Time
11. USA Today/USA Weekend
12. Wall Street Journal
13. Washington Post
14. Washington Times

The 141 journalists and bureau chiefs who responded were an excellent cross-section of the target group as a whole. When their positions on political issues were tallied up, this was the result:


Q#22. On social issues, how would you characterize your political orientation? Q#23. On economic issues, how would you characterize your political orientation?

Left 30% Left 11%
Center 57% Center 64%
Right 9% Right 19%
Other 5% Other 5%

Well, here you have provided EXCELLENT evidence that the media indeed does have a centrist bias. Concession accepted.

- 20/20 censored part of their interview with Gore. In the cut part, Gore discussed how, during the elections, the christian right harrassed his family at his own home.



- The Washington Times started the urban legend about Gore saying he invented the internet, among other lies the Times propagated. The Times is owned by a cult leader that propped up Falwel and Robertson and funds Bush. He also funded Reagan back in the day. www.unification.net is his official website.

He said that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." A lie? No, since Gore did support pro-Internet legislation. An overexaggeration? Sure.

Al Gore said that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet."
- A late January 2002 quote from Coulter's address to CPAC (the Conservative Political Action Conference).

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

Her words were applauded by National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice, Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson, and Lynne Cheney (wife of Vice President Cheney), all of whom were in attendance.

Coulter's threats to liberals were not not addressed by the media. She got away with it. A liberal would not have escaped public outrage if he/she said the equivalent towards conservatives.



There's so much evidence that suggests a conservative bias in the media its not even funny.

By reporting Coulter's ridiculous comment, they would have been spreading it to more people. Maybe they figured ignoring the comment would be the best way of minimizing its effect?

Your evidence is based on isolated events, you have NOT proved any trend that shows a conservative media bias (you have, however, proved a centrist bias).

[Raptor 597]

Bean, what happened I go too sleep for 3 hours, and there is a massive argument?

Sorry but I'm being educated by Ultra here that Being Anti-Evil/Anti-Idiot Makes me a Conservative and I'm trying to dig up the logic behind that and find out what he implies by that

Ah, thanks Bean.Tips his cap* Looks like I might join after you guys are finished chewing him up.

[Andrew J.]

He said that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." A lie? No, since Gore did support pro-Internet legislation. An overexaggeration? Sure.

"Overexaggeration"? I like it. It could be the new irregardless.

[ArmorPierce]

yeah that's the way to go at it

[Joe]

Just another point, concerning Ultra's claim that the media "failed" to cover the admittedly bizarre local election in Texas that he referred to; when is the last time you remember the NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA granting a great deal of coverage to LOCAL ELECTIONS that, generally speaking, mean precisely dick to just about everyone outside of that particular locality?