An Ad campaign that would never fly today....

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-12-09 08:23pm

I can just see the order coming down from the White House to the company
to cancel this ad campaign

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-09 08:26pm

"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic atheism and Christianity."- Sen. Joseph McCarthy, in a speech to the Ohio County Womens' Republican Club on February 9, 1950

Sounds like a crusade to me.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-12-09 08:27pm

Why? The title of "Crusader", or the fact the Crusades had nothing to do with freedom.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-09 08:28pm

The fact that people like McCarthy probably thought of their battle against the Reds as some sort of grand crusade.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2002-12-09 08:28pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic atheism and Christianity."- Sen. Joseph McCarthy, in a speech to the Ohio County Womens' Republican Club on February 9, 1950
Sounds like a crusade to me.

Good old Joseph McCarthy. And he was right, too:

Under Communism you're forced to be an atheist; under democracy you can be a stupid fundamentalist if you want to be one. That's one of the double-edged virtues of freedom.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-12-09 08:28pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Why? The title of "Crusader", or the fact the Crusades had nothing to do with freedom.

The Designation of the F-8 as the Crusader, and the use
of a Crusader in the ad campaign......

Remember, this is when our leader is sucking the anus of
Islam..... "Islam is peace", blah blah blah

"We can't offend Islamic sensibilities, blah blah blah"

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-09 08:30pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Good old Joseph McCarthy. And he was right, too:

Under Communism you're forced to be an atheist; under democracy you can be a stupid fundamentalist if you want to be one. That's one of the double-edged virtues of freedom.

Not necessarily. You DO have to belong to a state-approved religion.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-09 08:34pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Good old Joseph McCarthy. And he was right, too:

Under Communism you're forced to be an atheist; under democracy you can be a stupid fundamentalist if you want to be one. That's one of the double-edged virtues of freedom.

Correction: under McCarthy's version of democracy (not to mention that of George Bush Sr and George Bush Jr although the latter won't say it publicly), you could not be anything but a stupid fundamentalist. It was Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Paine who believed in this quaint idea about religious freedom.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-12-09 08:38pm

Darth Wong wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Good old Joseph McCarthy. And he was right, too:

Under Communism you're forced to be an atheist; under democracy you can be a stupid fundamentalist if you want to be one. That's one of the double-edged virtues of freedom.
Correction: under McCarthy's version of democracy (not to mention that of George Bush Sr and George Bush Jr although the latter won't say it publicly), you could not be anything but a stupid fundamentalist. It was Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Paine who believed in this quaint idea about religious freedom.

You're probably right about Shrub, but that's a bit of a stretch with Bush Sr.; throughout his very long career, he was never as much of an asskisser of the religious right as were certain other Republicans.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-12-09 08:38pm

IG-88E wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Good old Joseph McCarthy. And he was right, too:

Under Communism you're forced to be an atheist; under democracy you can be a stupid fundamentalist if you want to be one. That's one of the double-edged virtues of freedom.
Not necessarily. You DO have to belong to a state-approved religion.

Yes, the Federal govement did not like the Branch Divinded.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-12-09 08:39pm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/crusader.htm

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2002-12-09 08:40pm

Darth Wong wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Good old Joseph McCarthy. And he was right, too:

Under Communism you're forced to be an atheist; under democracy you can be a stupid fundamentalist if you want to be one. That's one of the double-edged virtues of freedom.
Correction: under McCarthy's version of democracy (not to mention that of George Bush Sr and George Bush Jr although the latter won't say it publicly), you could not be anything but a stupid fundamentalist. It was Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Paine who believed in this quaint idea about religious freedom.

I'd have to disagree with that. The USA could never start excluding one particular religion from various rights and privilages: We have too many of them (When you count protestant sects). Simple expediency would suggest that McCarthy was targeting exactly what he was targeting, Atheists.

The definition of religious freedom in the 1950s had a bit more leeway than it does today. The man was a bastard who went to far with what he was doing, but I doubt he seriously entertained anything besides driving "communists" out of America and all their "evil ideas", including atheists, into obscurity and silence.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-09 10:24pm

Durran Korr wrote:
You're probably right about Shrub, but that's a bit of a stretch with Bush Sr.; throughout his very long career, he was never as much of an asskisser of the religious right as were certain other Republicans.

What? Bush Sr. was the guy who said on national television that athiest shouldn't be considered patriots or even citizens because we were "one nation under God".

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2002-12-09 10:25pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
What? Bush Sr. was the guy who said on national television that athiest shouldn't be considered patriots or even citizens because we were "one nation under God".

Never believe what politicians say. Review their actions.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-12-09 10:28pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Wicked Pilot wrote:
What? Bush Sr. was the guy who said on national television that athiest shouldn't be considered patriots or even citizens because we were "one nation under God".
Never believe what politicians say. Review their actions.

And nothing in his actions contradict that. Sure he didn't round every aethiest up and hurl them into the sea but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe what he said.

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-12-09 10:39pm

My grandparents have a bunch of National Geographic magazines from during WW2.

They have some great ads in them for the P-38 lightning and how with you buying war bonds to support their production the war will be won with this superior tech...