Pretty Girls Who Smoke--WTF?

[Tsyroc]

So, what you're saying is, just let her self destruct and just exploit her for sex? While most people would probably expect me to say "Rock On!", I personally find this morally inexcusable.

Whoa! Ease up on them hammers, son. Have you ever dated a gorgeous person in your teen years or in university, and tried to rid them of cigarettes? Try it. Try to meet a beautiful person in a college bar, date them a bit, and then try to evict their smoking habit. Let me know how it goes. I won't say it's impossible, but I bet Vegas isn't giving you good odds.

If you have a fling with a person with a disagreable habit, and you care enough about the habit that you want to exorcise it to continue being comfortable in the relationship, you will far more often find yourself breaking up, or getting dumped because you harp too much on their habit, than the other person actually breaking the habit. Given that fact, I hold to my statement of: "Enjoy the sex, but be ready to bid the relationship adieu and find someone else."

Don't be so quick to assume that you have to bend so quickly to such responsibility. Smoking is dumb, we know that. But you will lose out if you make a crusade against that habit a requirement of your relationships.

I think the two of you should just combine ideas. Help the poor woman by giving her something "new" for her oral fixation.

It can even be called smoking if she wants too.

[RayCav of ASVS]

So, what you're saying is, just let her self destruct and just exploit her for sex? While most people would probably expect me to say "Rock On!", I personally find this morally inexcusable.

Whoa! Ease up on them hammers, son. Have you ever dated a gorgeous person in your teen years or in university, and tried to rid them of cigarettes? Try it. Try to meet a beautiful person in a college bar, date them a bit, and then try to evict their smoking habit. Let me know how it goes. I won't say it's impossible, but I bet Vegas isn't giving you good odds.

If you have a fling with a person with a disagreable habit, and you care enough about the habit that you want to exorcise it to continue being comfortable in the relationship, you will far more often find yourself breaking up, or getting dumped because you harp too much on their habit, than the other person actually breaking the habit. Given that fact, I hold to my statement of: "Enjoy the sex, but be ready to bid the relationship adieu and find someone else."

Don't be so quick to assume that you have to bend so quickly to such responsibility. Smoking is dumb, we know that. But you will lose out if you make a crusade against that habit a requirement of your relationships.

Actually if I remember the original post concerned someone who was about to or was trying to kill themselves.

Next time, read the whole goddamn post

[seanrobertson]

Bars are always full of cigarette smoke. Popular people go out to bars. Popular people also pay a lot of attention to their hair, makeup, etc.

That's certainly true. What I meant by the bar thing was that I know
a few people, who I can only accurately describe as goofy or as noted
earlier "silly shits," who do not ordinarily smoke but will "pretend" to
when they drink.

IOW, they are, at most, intermittent or non-habitual smokers. I'm
not thinking about those kinds of girls. I'm thinking about the
even goofier shits that smoke daily.

Are you sure you're seeing the trend you think you're seeing? In my experience, while it's true that some girls are just ugly, 90% of the difference between an "ugly" girl and a "cute" girl is usually makeup, hair, clothes, and attitude.

Affirmative. It's difficult to say how accurate my observation is...it is,
of course, a limited sample as such. But at least in this area of the
world (North Carolina, tobacco country), the most stunningly beautiful
girls I see are heavy smokers. This includes a former professor of
mine, who was upwards of 43-44, extremely intelligent and leggy
as all get-out, but was terribly addicted. (I still would've gone out
with her at the drop of a hat, but she'd just gone through a pretty
rough divorce.)

Make up no doubt helped a number of these women literally change
their appearance, but I was largely thinking of the true beauties,
those who rival Anna Kournikova or Ashley Judd now but will struggle
to compensate for early wrinkling etc. in several years.

Bar-hoppers are the girls who pay the most attention to their appearance, they're the most superficial, and (bingo!) they smoke. This is true among guys as well as girls, but of course, we only notice the girls.

Yeah. I don't doubt that if I included chicks in bars in my admittedly
limited observations, the total would go a lot higher (though the standards
would shift somewhat).

Character, no. Intelligence, yes. As soon as I see someone light up a cigarette, my estimate of their IQ drops by about 20. Some of the smokers out there may get pissed off, but that's just too bad; if you can't admit that smoking is stupid, that's your problem.

It is. Besides, there will be few smokers among our ranks, anyway

I have known some staggeringly intelligent people that did indeed
smoke (the aforementioned professor). Some of my former classmates--including two of the real beauties I was thinking of--had great minds,
but they smoked...a LOT. Both, however, terribly regretted the habit,
made what seemed to be heart-felt attempts to stop, and were addicted
whilst extremely young. They started before they really understood
the implications of what they were doing.

If it weren't for the awkward teenaged years when people will do just about anything (no matter how moronic) to appear "cool" (thus forming the addiction), there would be almost no smoking in this country.

Mindless social conformism is my first guess: "all the cool people smoke, so if I want to be cool, I'd better smoke too".

Bingo-bango!

Yes, definitely. One thing that certainly does not help is the idolization
of movie stars. I don't blame those people for living their lives as
self-destructively as they see fit, and actor-types can be pretty damn
dim, LOL. Still, it blows my mind to see websites like this:

http://www.cs.brown.edu/~lsh/asfs/home.html

This guy's lists are supposedly accurate. Many of the hottest actresses
around make no bones about how much they smoke, including:

Nikki Cox
Liv Tyler
Virginie Ledoyen
Catherine Z. Jones
Nicole Kidman
Christina Applegate
Jolene Blalock (I know, I know, Mike...500 psi )
Jennifer Connolly
Tara Reid (cute as hell, but dumb as a sack of hammers)
Lara Flynn Boyle (EAT SOMETHING)
every chick from the "Friends" cast
Britney Spears (crab-eyed half-wit, if you ask me...but she definitely
has a fan base in big tobacco's targetted demographics)

and so on and so forth...usually, hotties from Europe and the UK
seem far more prone to smoke according to this website (Elizabeth Hurley, that gorgeous princess from "Braveheart," etc.).

That's too many of my favorites, damn it! And all are viewed as "cool" by a decent-sized group of young people. There's no real way to tell what sort of
influence these starlets might have over their fans, and as I said earlier,
it doesn't particularly bother me...BUT, I'd much prefer them as much
longer living, tastier non-smokers

But hey, this didn't surprise me: angelic Natalie Portman is an
ardent NON-smoker. Yay!

[seanrobertson]

Actually if I remember the original post concerned someone who was about to or was trying to kill themselves.

Next time, read the whole goddamn post

Do you mean me, or someone I was talking about? I *know* I'm
not trying to kill myself I like to think I'm brave, but even in
my deepest, darkest moments many years ago, suicide never crossed
my mind. I like living too much

My original post was more concerned with my shock at how some
cuties I've seen seem to pride themselves on being at least
sorta attractive, yet at least 20 times daily they light a little
cylinder that will make them less attractive in several years (and
to many, including me to a small degree, less attractive in the
present, though the website I just pointed out seems to indicate
it's a big "fetish" thing for some guys). Obviously, it will shorten their lives, too, though they won't necessarily die largely due to a smoking-correlated disease.

I should've been far more clear in what I was saying, because I wasn't only thinking of the rather dull girls that can't even conceive of the future,
a'la Tara Reid; I was thinking about intelligent women, girls that know
better yet continue because of [X] reasons.

Some people are simply hedonists, whether they realize it or not.
One almond-eyed, captivating sweet young thing I knew at school,
Lorie, was a true chain-smoker. She was also the kind of girl that
read _Moby Dick_ or _War and Peace_ in her spare time, enjoying every moment (ugh...shoot me first). She was/is highly intelligent, incredibly sweet and just super all-around, but every time she wasn't in class, her delicate hand wasn't without a cigarette for more than 5 minutes at a time (maybe 10). She was exceptional but I knew others like her. I'd like
to know why and be able to put them all on a healthy path, but more
than anything else the post was simply to express my unfailing surprise
at the Lories and their addictions of the world.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

I can't really tell the attractive s who smoke and the attractive s who don't where I live, except the ones that do smoke are mostly skanks. I guess it's just my opinion.

[TrailerParkJawa]

Its funny to see others talk about smoking in bars and other places. Here in California you cant smoke in just about every public place. The only time you get asked for smoking or non smoking seating is when you go to Nevada to gamble.

My personal experience is that smoking made a come back with teens in the mid and late nineties. Why? I dunno. Mabye because the movies make it look cool, mabye it was rebellion against the anti-smoking crowd. Since Ive never smoked I cant really say.

When I graduated from HS in 1989 most of my classmates did not smoke.

[Mr. B]

Well in HS there were only a few attractive women who smoked. Those who did were pretty dumb.

In college it is the same, just a little smarter.