Wife Crushes Husbands Testicles, Kills him

[InnerBrat]

Personally, I rank wife beaters higher on my scale of naster scum suckers than your average rapist. Aside from the fact that domestic violence often includes rape, it is a long drawn out bullying process that demeans and humiliates the woman, shatters her self esteem and causes far more psychological damage than the considerable physical harm. I can't say I've been witness to the more extreme forms of wife beating, but I have seen the emotional scarring of just relatively mild bullying within a relationship, and I have no respect for people who treat their partners like that.

However, rape is often a one-off, albeit violent, event, which has a long term psychological effects, yes, but which actually lasts a relatively short amount of time.

[Metrion Cascade]

i don't mean that the crime is as bad.

Its just that people who beat there wives are instantly forfitting themselves to the same punishment as i would give it out. I.E shot on sight

Sorry, can't see it that way. If he's accidentally killed in self-defense, too bad for him. But deliberate killing can only be justified by a mortal threat. A pattern of escalating violence certainly denotes a mortal threat, but the solution to that is to leave the first time a fight occurs. I can't find anything more specific about what this situation was.

My concern: I've seen men (including some I'm rather partial to) badly injured in this manner without justification, and can't simply say, "Oh, yes, go for the testicles whenever you think you should." Like any potentially deadly or crippling means of self-defense, it has to be justified. And there are situations where it should be prosecuted as sexual assault if it wasn't justified self-defense (i.e. a verbal argument, or a physical fight the man didn't initiate).

i think you have the wrong idea, this isn't an issue of justification for me.

rapists piss me off

bully's piss me off

paedofiles piss me off

women beaters piss me off

all to the same degree, and if i catch a bully in the act they get a piece of my mind, if i see it again they get my fist connecting with their face and a trip to the hospital.

i haven't encountered the other three, but i can't claim my reaction will be any less or more severe, im thinking more so though.

I'm more concerned with what the law should say, but I would also use violence (probably not lethal unless I had to) to stop the above if I caught them in the act. Besides. I'm an Atheist. If there's no Hell, then dead people can't suffer. For me, even if I don't have the law to worry about, all violence has to be justified, and in degrees. That's not how you feel, okay. But I'm thinking more in terms of legal issues than personal preference. Because by my own personal standards I'd hunt fundy theocrats with a sniper rifle. Obviously that can't be legal even though I'd like it.

[Metrion Cascade]

Personally, I rank wife beaters higher on my scale of naster scum suckers than your average rapist. Aside from the fact that domestic violence often includes rape, it is a long drawn out bullying process that demeans and humiliates the woman, shatters her self esteem and causes far more psychological damage than the considerable physical harm. I can't say I've been witness to the more extreme forms of wife beating, but I have seen the emotional scarring of just relatively mild bullying within a relationship, and I have no respect for people who treat their partners like that.

I think that in terms of threat analysis, the first domestic fight that becomes physical should be assumed to be the beginning of the above scenario. Ideally the defense is to get out ASAP. If this is somehow impossible, then you have to put the animal down (jail, violence) as you might drop a charging rhino.

However, rape is often a one-off, albeit violent, event, which has a long term psychological effects, yes, but which actually lasts a relatively short amount of time.

The amount of time matters because? This isn't an equation, where the pain and suffering are delivered at a constant rate, and a short enough time means you can shrug it off. I hate emotional weakness, always try to "shrug things off," and a three-minute half-drugged rape that left no physical injury still bought me two years on Celexa.

I'd gauge the crime (for punitive purposes) not by the degree of the perpetrator's psychosis, but by the crime's effects both psychological and physical. The duration of a violation doesn't determine the damage done, and hence shouldn't determine the penalty. The penalty should (as are penalties for other crimes) be based on what damage has been done to the individual survivor, and on what damage such crimes have on a societal scale.

The psychological damage of rape and/or longterm abuse is often incalculable, even by the survivor. Hence I think the penalty for psychological distress should be constant, and very high. The non-sexual physical damage is more easily quantifiable, and can be prosecuted like normal assault (or a history of violent assaults in cases of longterm abuse).

Once the damage is considered, the likelihood of the offender to reoffend is the next factor (and usually very high). I think abusers are hard to reform, but not as hard as rapists or pedos. And as you point out, some creeps are all of the above.

[Raven]

Irony:

- Woman is beat up daily. She refuses to leave despite crappy conditions. Her life sucks.

- Man is kicked in the balls. He refuses to get medical treatment despite blinding pain. He dies.

Hah.


On a somewhat related tangent:

1. Why do people almost reflexively assume a defensive position (covering themselves) when they see it happen to somebody else?

2. Do people's voices really get higher, or is that a brain bug?

3. Why do you know so much about this topic?

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Personally, I rank wife beaters higher on my scale of naster scum suckers than your average rapist. Aside from the fact that domestic violence often includes rape, it is a long drawn out bullying process that demeans and humiliates the woman, shatters her self esteem and causes far more psychological damage than the considerable physical harm. I can't say I've been witness to the more extreme forms of wife beating, but I have seen the emotional scarring of just relatively mild bullying within a relationship, and I have no respect for people who treat their partners like that.

All kidding aside, you're absolutely correct about it. I probably would have expressed some form of outrage had this occured in a western country and in retrospect that was rather wrong of me and an arrogant oversight of methodology which I now regret. However, one must remember that the reason this sort of cruelty occurs is because it is a systematic part of the social order in countries at this level of development. You can't get it to stop unless you change the very foundation of the countries themselves. The institution of marriage in a country like Ethiopia exists to subordinate the woman to the man with brute force to make the woman do certain tasks and produce babies, and it's very effective at that. The law provides only minimal protections in very specific areas, and is frequently ignored. If the law provides more it is certainly ignored.

The only hope for these countries is a general improvement on all levels so that the conditions which create abuse no longer exist. You cannot focus on the symptoms but on the root cause.

It's entirely likely that more than half of the female population of the world is in an abusive relationship of some sort or another. The problem is so staggering that it becomes like all the others of the third, and developing, worlds. A brutal part of a brutal society which must be buried as soon as possible. That process is further along in some places than others--but in truth nowhere have we really completed it.

[InnerBrat]

I think that in terms of threat analysis, the first domestic fight that becomes physical should be assumed to be the beginning of the above scenario. Ideally the defense is to get out ASAP. If this is somehow impossible, then you have to put the animal down (jail, violence) as you might drop a charging rhino.

Unfortunately, in your classic scenario, the level of control over the victim that keeps her from leaving has already been established through psychological bullying and public humilation before the relationship becomes physical.

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However, rape is often a one-off, albeit violent, event, which has a long term psychological effects, yes, but which actually lasts a relatively short amount of time.

The amount of time matters because? This isn't an equation, where the pain and suffering are delivered at a constant rate, and a short enough time means you can shrug it off. [/quote]
Of course it doesn't, but a one off event is much easier to deal with than drawn out cycle of psychological bullying. Abused women are so psychologically damaged that they enter a cycle, going from one abusive relationship to another. A victim of a violent assault has a tendency not to repeat any mistake she made - be it not to accept drinks of strangers or not to try and walk home alone in the early hours of the morning through the back streets of Camden.

I hate emotional weakness, always try to "shrug things off," and a three-minute half-drugged rape that left no physical injury still bought me two years on Celexa.

And half an hour of vicious fighting and rape that left me with only minor injuries has not resulted in any diagnosed mental illness. It varies from woman to woman. But I'd still rather be raped by a stranger again than be in a relationship with a wife beater, as I have seen the long term effects on my ex of his mother being in just one abusive realtionship.

I'd gauge the crime (for punitive purposes) not by the degree of the perpetrator's psychosis, but by the crime's effects both psychological and physical. The duration of a violation doesn't determine the damage done, and hence shouldn't determine the penalty. The penalty should (as are penalties for other crimes) be based on what damage has been done to the individual survivor, and on what damage such crimes have on a societal scale.

Right. And I feel that abusive husbands are more of a threat to their partner's physical safety and emotional stability as well as to the attitudes of society (as in what is acceptable treatment of a partner) than an 'honest' rapist (apologies for using the word, but I can't think of another way to get across the idea)

Once the damage is considered, the likelihood of the offender to reoffend is the next factor (and usually very high). I think abusers are hard to reform, but not as hard as rapists or pedos. And as you point out, some creeps are all of the above.

I disagree, not about peados, who have a severe psychological disorder, but in that rapists generally know they're in the wrong, and once caught suffer the consequences. Abusers, however, often feel that they have a 'right' to be behaving as they are, and that they're partner deserves treatment, as I'm sure a certain member of this board will testify...

[InnerBrat]

All kidding aside, you're absolutely correct about it. I probably would have expressed some form of outrage had this occured in a western country and in retrospect that was rather wrong of me and an arrogant oversight of methodology which I now regret. However, one must remember that the reason this sort of cruelty occurs is because it is a systematic part of the social order in countries at this level of development. You can't get it to stop unless you change the very foundation of the countries themselves. The institution of marriage in a country like Ethiopia exists to subordinate the woman to the man with brute force to make the woman do certain tasks and produce babies, and it's very effective at that. The law provides only minimal protections in very specific areas, and is frequently ignored. If the law provides more it is certainly ignored.

The only hope for these countries is a general improvement on all levels so that the conditions which create abuse no longer exist. You cannot focus on the symptoms but on the root cause.

It's entirely likely that more than half of the female population of the world is in an abusive relationship of some sort or another. The problem is so staggering that it becomes like all the others of the third, and developing, worlds. A brutal part of a brutal society which must be buried as soon as possible. That process is further along in some places than others--but in truth nowhere have we really completed it.

Absolutely. It's a problem with society. But the fact that abusive relationships also occur in our own society shows that it is one we have yet to defeat ourselves.
But yes, the structure of society does affect the interpersonal relationships that occur within it.

[Metrion Cascade]

I think that in terms of threat analysis, the first domestic fight that becomes physical should be assumed to be the beginning of the above scenario. Ideally the defense is to get out ASAP. If this is somehow impossible, then you have to put the animal down (jail, violence) as you might drop a charging rhino.

Unfortunately, in your classic scenario, the level of control over the victim that keeps her from leaving has already been established through psychological bullying and public humilation before the relationship becomes physical.

However, rape is often a one-off, albeit violent, event, which has a long term psychological effects, yes, but which actually lasts a relatively short amount of time.

The amount of time matters because? This isn't an equation, where the pain and suffering are delivered at a constant rate, and a short enough time means you can shrug it off.

Of course it doesn't, but a one off event is much easier to deal with than drawn out cycle of psychological bullying. Abused women are so psychologically damaged that they enter a cycle, going from one abusive relationship to another. A victim of a violent assault has a tendency not to repeat any mistake she made - be it not to accept drinks of strangers or not to try and walk home alone in the early hours of the morning through the back streets of Camden.

I don't know about ease, but I do understand now why you brought up the duration. There's an element of indoctrination, of brainwashing, with an abusive relationship that makes it hard for a woman to realize it's a crime. Whereas a woman raped by a stranger or any other man who hasn't brainwashed her will recognize it as an attack.

I hate emotional weakness, always try to "shrug things off," and a three-minute half-drugged rape that left no physical injury still bought me two years on Celexa.

And half an hour of vicious fighting and rape that left me with only minor injuries has not resulted in any diagnosed mental illness. It varies from woman to woman. But I'd still rather be raped by a stranger again than be in a relationship with a wife beater, as I have seen the long term effects on my ex of his mother being in just one abusive realtionship.

I'd gauge the crime (for punitive purposes) not by the degree of the perpetrator's psychosis, but by the crime's effects both psychological and physical. The duration of a violation doesn't determine the damage done, and hence shouldn't determine the penalty. The penalty should (as are penalties for other crimes) be based on what damage has been done to the individual survivor, and on what damage such crimes have on a societal scale.

Right. And I feel that abusive husbands are more of a threat to their partner's physical safety and emotional stability as well as to the attitudes of society (as in what is acceptable treatment of a partner) than an 'honest' rapist (apologies for using the word, but I can't think of another way to get across the idea)

Unapologetic rapist?

Once the damage is considered, the likelihood of the offender to reoffend is the next factor (and usually very high). I think abusers are hard to reform, but not as hard as rapists or pedos. And as you point out, some creeps are all of the above.

I disagree, not about peados, who have a severe psychological disorder, but in that rapists generally know they're in the wrong, and once caught suffer the consequences. Abusers, however, often feel that they have a 'right' to be behaving as they are, and that they're partner deserves treatment, as I'm sure a certain member of this board will testify...

Who's that?

[InnerBrat]

Right. And I feel that abusive husbands are more of a threat to their partner's physical safety and emotional stability as well as to the attitudes of society (as in what is acceptable treatment of a partner) than an 'honest' rapist (apologies for using the word, but I can't think of another way to get across the idea)

Unapologetic rapist?

No, I mean he's 'honest' about what he's doing, and knows it's wrong and doesn't (always) combine 'you made me do it, bitch' and 'this is how husbands are supposed to treat women', blah blah blah.

I disagree, not about peados, who have a severe psychological disorder, but in that rapists generally know they're in the wrong, and once caught suffer the consequences. Abusers, however, often feel that they have a 'right' to be behaving as they are, and that they're partner deserves treatment, as I'm sure a certain member of this board will testify...

Who's that?

If they want to come forward, they will. I'm not advertising everyone's private history for them.

[Kuja]

On a somewhat related tangent:

1. Why do people almost reflexively assume a defensive position (covering themselves) when they see it happen to somebody else?

Empathy, spiced with a big dash of "OMG, don't let that happen to me!"

2. Do people's voices really get higher, or is that a brain bug?

People's voices tend to sound higher when they're strained, IOW, speaking when in pain.

3. Why do you know so much about this topic?

I'm a guy. I'm speaking from experience.

[Metrion Cascade]

Right. And I feel that abusive husbands are more of a threat to their partner's physical safety and emotional stability as well as to the attitudes of society (as in what is acceptable treatment of a partner) than an 'honest' rapist (apologies for using the word, but I can't think of another way to get across the idea)

Unapologetic rapist?

No, I mean he's 'honest' about what he's doing, and knows it's wrong and doesn't (always) combine 'you made me do it, bitch' and 'this is how husbands are supposed to treat women', blah blah blah.

This is what I'd call unapologetic - he's not trying to justify it.

[Metrion Cascade]

1. Why do people almost reflexively assume a defensive position (covering themselves) when they see it happen to somebody else?

Dramatics. Or sympathy - it's horrendously painful.

2. Do people's voices really get higher, or is that a brain bug?

Brain bug, mostly one that shows up in slapstick comedy. The idea being that racking a guy suddenly decreases his testosterone levels and that this somehow instantly raises his vocal pitch.

3. Why do you know so much about this topic?

Men are half the human race, and it seems foolish to live among them without knowing their concerns and trying to familiarize myself with their point of view. Also, my husband has testicles and I nearly had a heart attack when I saw what being racked did to him. The bitch who did it nearly had a heart attack too - my response was extremely violent (but unfortunately not fatal).

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Absolutely. It's a problem with society. But the fact that abusive relationships also occur in our own society shows that it is one we have yet to defeat ourselves.
But yes, the structure of society does affect the interpersonal relationships that occur within it.

Well, it's a problem with a particular kind of society. Pretty much the last of the small farmers in the USA were finished off in the 70s when the government gave them bad loan advice and the resulting foreclosures saw the last of the consolidations into major industrial farms. Result: The modern Neo-Nazi movement in the USA. Consisting mostly of dispossessed small-farmers who blamed a government conspiracy to destroy their way of life.

In a way, it's not hard to blame them, because their way of life is being destroyed. They're operating in a classically agrarian system, and it's being replaced by an industrial organization. What possible relevance does this have? Well, of course, agrarian society is a whole bag of tricks--into the social control mechanism over morality and the family. Which is why societies which are still inherently agrarian or organized on agrarian lines have these things as simply commonplace.

With us they are now quite rare, but that's because agrarian societal organization is almost completely dead in the West. Of course, people will always be stupid and brutal and commit such acts; but the official/cultural/societal sanction if you will; this is ending, being eradicated. Just in the same way we see other facets of the agrarian control structure still being destroyed only quite recently. This process is continuing based on large-scale trends in societal development in the west and it is now totally inevitable that it be completed though I grant there is a considerable reaction against it and in particular against some aspects which has hindered the completion of the Industrial Revolution (which I would contend is still going on, in every single industrial country).

In countries where this has only just begun--like Ethiopia; there are others where it hasn't even at all, yet--the level of brutality is fully what we what we would expect in the Victorian era, that height of reaction to the beginnings of the Industrial society and the reorganization it brought.

Individually what this all means is that a lot of suffering which is unnecessary is going to keep on happening for a long while before this development finally finishes up; on a grand level it means there's not much you can do about it because it was originally caused by a series of grand processes far more vast than particular individuals and is being destroyed by the same. However, individual suffering is individual suffering, and as the balance has tilted in particularly industrial societies towards the general destruction of the root cause it is now really quite effectual to attack the symptoms as well. In countries like Ethiopia a total societal restructuring is required before this sort of thing will end; I mean, despite what her condition, even if the woman is acquitted (which is not impossible one grants), she certainly will live in the most base of poverty now.

Entirely brutal, but society is rarely kind to the particular person and one can only hope for the general improvement to that whole region to bring the mechanism for social change.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

No, I mean he's 'honest' about what he's doing, and knows it's wrong and doesn't (always) combine 'you made me do it, bitch' and 'this is how husbands are supposed to treat women', blah blah blah.

In fairness I don't think those attitudes are societally harmful to a modern state (in the long term); however, they basically indicate someone who has what is virtually a medieval thought-process towards gender relations and that's hardly someone who should be involved with a member of the opposite. (Either way--a woman who thinks like that is fresh meat for an abusive man--or an abusive social system. This is one reason I have considerable problems with the idea of "respecting" certain concepts/customs/ideas held by some women which ultimately enforce their own subordination.)

[Spanky The Dolphin]

On a somewhat related tangent:

1. Why do people almost reflexively assume a defensive position (covering themselves) when they see it happen to somebody else?

I don't really, but for me it's because I'd rather not think about it happen to myself. I could really care less that it happened to them if I don't know them, as I'm generally apathetic with people I don't know.

2. Do people's voices really get higher, or is that a brain bug?

Brainbug, I think. It's in film and TV because it's funny, and is related to the idea of demasculation.

In my experiance, most people either scream, cry out, make a startled sound, a gasp, or if it's severe enough they vomit.

[LT.Hit-Man]

LOL what a dumb fuck.
And in other news if you give a woman a hard enough kick to the box they can die from that as well.

[Metrion Cascade]

LOL what a dumb fuck.
And in other news if you give a woman a hard enough kick to the box they can die from that as well.

Hardly. But when a part of the body dies, as ruptured testicles can, you get toxins in the body that can kill you if the dead part isn't removed (think gangrene). And perhaps intense enough pain can kill you via shock, but I've heard nothing concrete about that. There are more painful conditions than ruptured testicles that aren't fatal.

[LT.Hit-Man]

LOL what a dumb fuck.
And in other news if you give a woman a hard enough kick to the box they can die from that as well.

Hardly. But when a part of the body dies, as ruptured testicles can, you get toxins in the body that can kill you if the dead part isn't removed (think gangrene). And perhaps intense enough pain can kill you via shock, but I've heard nothing concrete about that. There are more painful conditions than ruptured testicles that aren't fatal.

Realy well let me tell you something me and a friend of mine where sitting in a coffee shop shooting the shit when I told my friend about the time I was at summer camp when I was younger and about the lovely gals that where there and would I would have like to have done to one of them that had cuaght my eye.
No sooner had I said that this dumb hose bag sitting a few tables away from us started getting in my face thinking that I had made a coment about her my friend and a few other people that where there started to watch what was coming down the line.
So I told the this female that I was even talking about her at all and be reasonbale about it.
Still she starts reanting that I was nothing more then a low down sexiest pig, I look at her sake my head told my friend that I think we should leave because it was clear that there was no reasoning with this bimbo.

So me and my friend are leaving when she fucking decked my out of the blue so I cracked her right back, she looks at me as if I had killed god or some damm thing like that and I told her just because you have a cunt does not mean that you can hit and not get hit back and told her to back off or there was going to be hell to pay.
The dumb so and so tried to kick me in the nuts luckly I was quick enough to setp out of the way then I lunged forward and kicked her as hard as I could right in the box, I was pissed I get attack for no good reason at all then I try to get out of the mess to avoid a fight and she trys that happy horse shit with me sorry but that does not fly with me.

Anyways she drops to the ground holding her twat and turning blue in the face, one of the workers at the coffee shop had called the cops when the shit hit the fan so the cops show up along with an EMS crew and they load her up and take her to the hospital leaving a realy nasty bood stain where she had hit the floor, so me and my friend spent the next half hour getting grilled by the cops about it as well as everyone eles that was in that coffee shop and I told the cops that she attacked me frist and I was defending myself.

So a few months later the court date rolls around and after all the bullshit was said and done with I walked without a hich dispite the medical report that she had some realy nasty internal bleeding and that she had nearly died from heart failuer becuase of the shock she went though when I booted her and to top it off her child bearing where over.

Serves her right because there was no call for the whole fuking mess in the frist place!

Re-cap
1: Me and my friend where not even talking about her in the first place.

2: Dispite the fact that we had said nothing abou her she could have been more reasonable and this could have been settled peacefuly but no she had to be a self-centered slut and a drama queen to boot.

3:Me and my friend where leaving before the shit hit the fan any worse then it had and I get attacked NO DICE! as far as I'm concerned the dumb bitch got everything she had coming to her, I will aways try to be a reasonble person but if some one attacks me there going to get it right back on them reguardless of there gender race and all the other shit that makes us who we are for better or for worse.

This is one of the reasons why I quite being a nice guy, I don't need that happy horseshit and if people don't like that, to damm bad!

Make of this what you will.