MORE RIAA SHENANIGANS.....

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2002-10-05 09:19am

I'm sick of these guys....I really am....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... wapping_20

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-05 10:35am

At what point at they going to relise that trying to arrest the File-swappers is like trying to Arrest all the Adulteriers

It does not help that we have 80% of the population in prison if they get thier way

Seriously though latest CNET study shows that at least 60% of people who go online trade files illealy and over 50% do it regualy

Hmm... carry the two, add three

So I wonder how the RIAA plans to arrest twenty million people?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2002-10-05 11:20am

Do you think the judge'll rule WITH the NSDAP, oops, "RIAA" on this one? I thought so. Me Neither! Lata and Happy Filesharing!

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-10-05 07:37pm

I see were they are coming from. However here is my long winded (as usual) take on the matter.

First off, let's take a lot of negatives. People download every song off an album (in fact my dumb ass cousin was fussing at me the other day because I wanted to buy an album, when techinically I could download it.). Which in effect is stealing. This happens very often and unfortunately is happening on albums that are not even released yet. I had come across second hand information that Eminem released the Eminem Show album early for the fact that people would try and download before hand anyways. (Whether it's true I don't know for a fact.) Movies are another problem. Bootlegged from the theaters Episode II I remember a ton of people having the copy they downloaded off the internet. Video games are the same way. File swapping programs like the now defunct Napster, Kazaa, Morpheus, etc. have led to an abuse of piracy.

Now for the positives. File swapping music files. For me, I have never bought albums on a bankrupting scale like everyone else. I have maybe to this day thirty albums. I usually hear a song or a few songs from an artist or group. Why would I buy an album for one song? Your right, I wouldn't. They sell the singles, but they charge upwards of $5 for a damn song, and maybe an instrumental or some crap remix. Not only that, if you buy the album the song on, sometimes it's different from the 'radio version'. So in essence I bought the album for nothing. Not to mention some older songs are hard to get ahold of. Through file swapping you can obtain these tracks. If I wanted an album I would go and buy it. I wouldn't download a bunch of songs that at best would sound like they were dubbed on someone's home boom box in thier bathroom while underwater. Also, remix versions and what other specials they make. Movies is something entirely different. With Star Wars I have mutliple VHS copies, however I do not have the Laser Disc versions. This is bad, because you cannot readily get ahold of widescreen versions of neither standard nor special edition. With that said, I don't want to wear out my tapes. File swapping comes into play here. This would be were I have a movie already and just need a copy that won't wear out. Also, Dragonball Z or other anime movies that you cannot get here in the states can be solved by file swapping. If they release them here, and they are actually good movies then I will buy them.

Basically what I am trying to say is that file swapping has been overly abused to the point that it has caused a problem with a few major industries. Now, the music industry just got thier asses handed to them, or more like the retailers for high priced products. That was always another thing that detered me from an album, $20 for two songs I like. No way. Now it looks like the prices are going to fall a lot. This is a huge plus. New releases would get the $13.99 tag at Best Buy, Warehouse Music or FYE. Yet looking for an older album, that has been out only a few months and see it's for $18.99 or $21.99 is outragous. Maybe it's not like that all over the country but the stores in my town it is. Either way, this non sense about suing people and shutting down all forms of file sharing programs is ludicrous. They're just upset because they can't rob everyone anymore. They should just compete. Hell, I prefer NEW titles when I buy video games over USED/Preowned titles. My friends at EB know this very well. Lower your album prices and singles prices and people like me will jump in there and make up the difference. i guarantee.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-05 07:46pm

I think that store computers should have a CD-building option where you choose, say, twelve songs that you like and put them on a CD and the computer determins a price based on the popularity of the songs. That would be a fair compromise.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-10-05 07:53pm

IG-88E wrote:I think that store computers should have a CD-building option where you choose, say, twelve songs that you like and put them on a CD and the computer determins a price based on the popularity of the songs. That would be a fair compromise.

yea, that would be cool. i´d have to pay an average price of 10 cents per CD then.

Tod zu den SD.net Idioten · Post by **Tod zu den SD.net Idioten** » 2002-10-06 06:35pm

I'm sick of seeing this BS. Time to just blow up their headquarters and be done with it.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-10-06 11:14pm

IG-88E wrote:I think that store computers should have a CD-building option where you choose, say, twelve songs that you like and put them on a CD and the computer determins a price based on the popularity of the songs. That would be a fair compromise.

IIRC, mp3.com did that for ages. Dunno if they still do it though.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-07 01:00am

On the upside it seems a if a few people finally realized that DMCA wasn't such a great idea.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... 2Oct3.html

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-10-07 02:55am

There were a couple of studies done that showed song-trading actually increased the amount of sales. Of course, with a downturned economy, this information will go out the window as the RIAA will claim otherwise.

As far as I am concerned, there are only 3 reasons to trade music:
1 you want to listen to new bands
2 you can't get the music anymore and end up downloading it.
3 replace theft of music (usually from your car-seen this happen to 3 friends so far...)

Movies and other viewable media; go buy it or rent it.

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2002-10-07 03:08am

the MPAA/RIAA is the only reason i ceased buying CDs and other media.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-07 08:34am

I'll put it to you this way

I bought a brand-new spanking CD
with all of the RIAA's new hacking protect schemes on it
Ok...
Hey wait, its not working in my CD player in my house

Or in my Car...

Hmmm
Five mintues online later I had found a crack for the scheme along with many messages about *Fucking idiots who wrote the new copy protection which is incompatable with about half the CD players out there
So I riped the songes, added my message and returned the CD,
That was a year ago and I have not bought a CD since

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2002-10-07 10:04am

As long as an analog stage exists, something can be ripped (IIRC, the RIAA/MPAA are trying to remove it, but it'll be awhile until we get either SPIDF or IEEE1394b interconnects). Get a good sound card and some decent cables and you'll be ready to roll (at the moment, it's the only way to rip either SACD or DVD-A)

Post by **Beowulf** » 2002-10-07 01:50pm

You'll always be able to rip. Worst comes to worst, you put a mic infront of a speaker playing the song, and convert to digital. The only way to stop that would be to bypass your ears...

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-10-07 02:15pm

Bean: Did you try the old magic marker trick?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-07 04:41pm

Bean: Did you try the old magic marker trick?

Ha ha but that only worked on ONE copy protection scheme remeber?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-10-07 05:35pm

If these people want control over every piece of digital audio, why don't tehyjust ban radios, ban TVs, ban computers, ban the sounds printers make (even if they're not digital audio), and ban personal freedom. The recording industry has a history of being greedy. They didn't want VCR's, and now they don't want us swapping files, so they can have all the money.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-07 05:46pm

I am a huge fan of music and i own over 1500 mp3's, but i still buy a album if it's worth my money. The fact of the matter is record companies are shitting their pants. Look at the situation, the record company takes more of the profit from a cd than the artist does, so along comes Napster and a few other clones, all it takes is one band to think "fuck the record company, i'll release my songs over my web site, charge a small fee for the privlidge of downloading the songs and cut out the middle man" in fact U2 pre-release most of their albums via thier site on mp3 before release. If there wasn't as much money in the business then all those manufactured twats will get back to serving big macs where they belong. Only real bands passionate about their music will survive