Tarot, Palms, Other Clairvoyancies (& Homosexuality?)

[Mr Bean]

The fact of the matter is, he didn't present himself at all. He wasn't really smiling, nor did he look angry or depressed. I just, well, felt it.

To that I will respond as my friend once said to me


Bean? Yeah he's the kind of person who could play a Billionare on TV and you would not be sure if he was or just acting, I've him sing in a bar and every single person in thier would have said he was drunk of his ass but I know he was stone sober.

I've played many roles but I'm not an actor(I can't seem to do it structured)
This afternoon I played of all things, A christian, I'm visting my grandmother and we went(Her car was in the shop normaly I don't go along) to vist her older friends who are in retirment homes, and we ran accorss a particulary devote woman who was apporaching 100 and not looking like she was going to make it. Well while we were there she become upset at somthing and became angrey saying things like God had forsaken her and why had he done so many bad things to her and what-not, Well my grandmother being herself tried to talk her down but failed and kinda paniced. She left the room and sought the emergency priest they keep on hand at that retirment home(Yes the Town is THAT devote they keep a Priest on hand for anything)

Well drawing on my knowledge of Christianty and my excelent memoery I started talking with her and bit by bit I had worked her down and conviced her it would all get better even if she could not see it, Physcly I was torn as though I am quite the Atheist I know that shoving the fact that Yes Virginia your going to be Wormfood soon is not the nicest thing to say so for the good of that old lady I played the Christian

It ended pretty well, by the time the Preist got thier she was fine and calm and she said that I had explained everything to her and what-not
And I say pretty well as I was a bit disorted from the whole thing and somone-how ended up volitering to help with next Sunday's Pot Luck

Well have to go for now, Gotta figure out how to get myself out of that the nice way

Later

[haas mark]

and the point of that was what, again?

[Larz]

I do know who you are, you gave me the tarot reading. It is nothing more but mindgames. Ever notice that the descriptions are so very vague? That you arn't getting anything solid from them? Why is that? Why do you think that they are so vague? It is so because it helps to keep the area of capture large, it leaves a lot of slack for interperitation. After the abscure "answers" or "predictions" are given, the human mind fills in the blanks, sort of like Gestalt completion theory. You told me vague definitions of each card and left it to me to put it in place of my life, and my mind being like anyone elses did. Thats all, it didn't reveal anything to me that I wouldn't have found on my own by asking myself the right questions. Tarot just gives that little, already known knowledge a little bunt to come to the surface and make us go "wow". We already know it, or are lead to believe it, and that is what tarot is. Maybe I am naturally immune, to dense for the supernatural to touch me. But, I still believe by all my readings into it that is nothing more but a mindgame that encourages the one being analyzed to fill in the blanks without quiet realizing it, and the reader to read these ques and move in those directions.

[Mr Bean]

and the point of that was what, again?

Hmm I seem to has lost it

Prehaps we could do a reading and try and find what the point was agian

[haas mark]

I do know who you are, you gave me the tarot reading. It is nothing more but mindgames. Ever notice that the descriptions are so very vague? That you arn't getting anything solid from them? Why is that? Why do you think that they are so vague? It is so because it helps to keep the area of capture large, it leaves a lot of slack for interperitation. After the abscure "answers" or "predictions" are given, the human mind fills in the blanks, sort of like Gestalt completion theory. You told me vague definitions of each card and left it to me to put it in place of my life, and my mind being like anyone elses did. Thats all, it didn't reveal anything to me that I wouldn't have found on my own by asking myself the right questions. Tarot just gives that little, already known knowledge a little bunt to come to the surface and make us go "wow". We already know it, or are lead to believe it, and that is what tarot is. Maybe I am naturally immune, to dense for the supernatural to touch me. But, I still believe by all my readings into it that is nothing more but a mindgame that encourages the one being analyzed to fill in the blanks without quiet realizing it, and the reader to read these ques and move in those directions.

First off, I said there were "spots" of energy that are more clarifying...and I wasn't sitting in that spot like I normally do. Also, you never gave me a specific question that I could relate everything to. I had to leave everything up to you because I didn't know what you wanted to know.

[Darth Wong]

Real predictions have numbers, ladies and gentlemen. That is the difference between science and superstition. Vague predictions can be made to mean anything after the fact (just look at the Nostradamus phenomenon, or "Biblical prophecy" phenomenon), or to fit virtually any series of events.

But precise predictions are not so flexible. They are easily disproven because they come with numbers attached, so, they are meaningful because failure to disprove them counts for something. Failure to disprove a vague prediction, on the other hand, means nothing because a vague prediction is EXTREMELY difficult (maybe even impossible) to disprove.

[Larz]

I do know who you are, you gave me the tarot reading. It is nothing more but mindgames. Ever notice that the descriptions are so very vague? That you arn't getting anything solid from them? Why is that? Why do you think that they are so vague? It is so because it helps to keep the area of capture large, it leaves a lot of slack for interperitation. After the abscure "answers" or "predictions" are given, the human mind fills in the blanks, sort of like Gestalt completion theory. You told me vague definitions of each card and left it to me to put it in place of my life, and my mind being like anyone elses did. Thats all, it didn't reveal anything to me that I wouldn't have found on my own by asking myself the right questions. Tarot just gives that little, already known knowledge a little bunt to come to the surface and make us go "wow". We already know it, or are lead to believe it, and that is what tarot is. Maybe I am naturally immune, to dense for the supernatural to touch me. But, I still believe by all my readings into it that is nothing more but a mindgame that encourages the one being analyzed to fill in the blanks without quiet realizing it, and the reader to read these ques and move in those directions.

First off, I said there were "spots" of energy that are more clarifying...and I wasn't sitting in that spot like I normally do. Also, you never gave me a specific question that I could relate everything to. I had to leave everything up to you because I didn't know what you wanted to know.

Spots or no spots, its still just vague descriptions from a book. And if no question is posed doesn't that revert it to the basic question "what does my future hold, in general?" Anyway, you didn't ask a question, so I made the assumption that everything portrayed my future. And constant chaos is peace, constant chaos is but a phrase to describe chaos in some form of matter that is always present, for "constant chaos" is an oxymoron. There is no peace in living a chaotic life. And the point I'm making is that tarot is nothing more but leaving the interpertations up to the individual. Its so vague that its not an answer, just a handwave and a telling of a something someone could have deduced on their own if they thought about it, or assuring someone of a chain of thought that they had already pondered.

Real predictions have numbers, ladies and gentlemen. That is the difference between science and superstition. Vague predictions can be made to mean anything after the fact (just look at the Nostradamus phenomenon, or "Biblical prophecy" phenomenon), or to fit virtually any series of events.

But precise predictions are not so flexible. They are easily disproven because they come with numbers attached, so, they are meaningful because failure to disprove them counts for something. Failure to disprove a vague prediction, on the other hand, means nothing because a vague prediction is EXTREMELY difficult (maybe even impossible) to disprove.

This though is too true. It is far harder to disclaim such a broad prediction because it engulfs all things with a blanket of light truth. Though one can still show how convoluted and thus unhelpfull a prediction can be. To say that I will be happy is sort of saying that I will drink water sometime from now till next tuesday because it is inevitable. Thats what the predictions are. "You will find happiness"... of course someone will do something that will make them happy, it can not be helped. The teller doesn't say "you will find love that will make you estatically happy and her name will be Bonnie and you and her will really enjoy sitting in the moon together..." that is why the vague description is bunk, it engulfs all. Though it may not be disproved, it gives the one seeking the reading nothing more but some sugar coating to help their previously pondered thoughts.

Back to the original quote of this post: Just because you sit in a certian spot isn't going to make the book change its vague meanings. If we were sitting on the hub of all creation and fate itself and you gave me a tarot reading it would still basically say that I have peace, will find happiness and success. Its still worthless.

[haas mark]

I do know who you are, you gave me the tarot reading. It is nothing more but mindgames. Ever notice that the descriptions are so very vague? That you arn't getting anything solid from them? Why is that? Why do you think that they are so vague? It is so because it helps to keep the area of capture large, it leaves a lot of slack for interperitation. After the abscure "answers" or "predictions" are given, the human mind fills in the blanks, sort of like Gestalt completion theory. You told me vague definitions of each card and left it to me to put it in place of my life, and my mind being like anyone elses did. Thats all, it didn't reveal anything to me that I wouldn't have found on my own by asking myself the right questions. Tarot just gives that little, already known knowledge a little bunt to come to the surface and make us go "wow". We already know it, or are lead to believe it, and that is what tarot is. Maybe I am naturally immune, to dense for the supernatural to touch me. But, I still believe by all my readings into it that is nothing more but a mindgame that encourages the one being analyzed to fill in the blanks without quiet realizing it, and the reader to read these ques and move in those directions.

First off, I said there were "spots" of energy that are more clarifying...and I wasn't sitting in that spot like I normally do. Also, you never gave me a specific question that I could relate everything to. I had to leave everything up to you because I didn't know what you wanted to know.

Spots or no spots, its still just vague descriptions from a book. And if no question is posed doesn't that revert it to the basic question "what does my future hold, in general?" Anyway, you didn't ask a question, so I made the assumption that everything portrayed my future. And constant chaos is peace, constant chaos is but a phrase to describe chaos in some form of matter that is always present, for "constant chaos" is an oxymoron. There is no peace in living a chaotic life. And the point I'm making is that tarot is nothing more but leaving the interpertations up to the individual. Its so vague that its not an answer, just a handwave and a telling of a something someone could have deduced on their own if they thought about it, or assuring someone of a chain of thought that they had already pondered.

It would not have made a prediction of your general future, because you MUST have been thinking about something at the time that you wee shuffling the cards.

Real predictions have numbers, ladies and gentlemen. That is the difference between science and superstition. Vague predictions can be made to mean anything after the fact (just look at the Nostradamus phenomenon, or "Biblical prophecy" phenomenon), or to fit virtually any series of events.

But precise predictions are not so flexible. They are easily disproven because they come with numbers attached, so, they are meaningful because failure to disprove them counts for something. Failure to disprove a vague prediction, on the other hand, means nothing because a vague prediction is EXTREMELY difficult (maybe even impossible) to disprove.

This though is too true. It is far harder to disclaim such a broad prediction because it engulfs all things with a blanket of light truth. Though one can still show how convoluted and thus unhelpfull a prediction can be. To say that I will be happy is sort of saying that I will drink water sometime from now till next tuesday because it is inevitable. Thats what the predictions are. "You will find happiness"... of course someone will do something that will make them happy, it can not be helped. The teller doesn't say "you will find love that will make you estatically happy and her name will be Bonnie and you and her will really enjoy sitting in the moon together..." that is why the vague description is bunk, it engulfs all. Though it may not be disproved, it gives the one seeking the reading nothing more but some sugar coating to help their previously pondered thoughts.

The cards can tell you certain things, like what might happen, or the sun sign of the person, or what a relationship might involve, or even likes and dislikes of a certain person. But they can't tell a name: It's just impossible. Get over that.

Back to the original quote of this post: Just because you sit in a certian spot isn't going to make the book change its vague meanings. If we were sitting on the hub of all creation and fate itself and you gave me a tarot reading it would still basically say that I have peace, will find happiness and success. Its still worthless.

Do you realize that there are so many more people that have readings that their life will be destructive and debilitating? I could read you again today, if you wanted, and it would probably be a lot different from what the other one said. But then again, I resolve that you might be one of those true skeptics that has a mental hold, a block on the situation. The cards won't read someone with that kind of block very well, but if you're willing to try, it's fine by me.

[Larz]

It would not have made a prediction of your general future, because you MUST have been thinking about something at the time that you wee shuffling the cards.

I was wondering what the future held for a certian individual and me, either way it was a pointless thought train for she, as I found out, is engaged.

The cards can tell you certain things, like what might happen, or the sun sign of the person, or what a relationship might involve, or even likes and dislikes of a certain person. But they can't tell a name: It's just impossible. Get over that.

It didn't happen to tell me anything about the person, the reading seemed more the focus on me. Anyway, the point is that the cards and the interpertations are to vague to convey anything usefull. I could listen to someone cry their life out to me and make a profile of the person and using it either make a probabilty list for the person or just wing a prediction for them and it would be just as good or better than a tarot reading. Tarot is psycoanalysis, profiling, and making the vague descriptions fit with the problem.

Do you realize that there are so many more people that have readings that their life will be destructive and debilitating? I could read you again today, if you wanted, and it would probably be a lot different from what the other one said. But then again, I resolve that you might be one of those true skeptics that has a mental hold, a block on the situation. The cards won't read someone with that kind of block very well, but if you're willing to try, it's fine by me.

I'm an open minded induvidual, why don't you give me another reading and I'll ask you about a person I know. You can read the cards, tell me about them or about the person I like and I will compare what I know as fact to what you predicted from the cards. If your prediction is eriely close, I'll post my concession. (though I may still believe that it is bunk)

[haas mark]

Will do.

[haas mark]

Gave Larz his Tarot reading today...and of course its all but possible to change a skeptic's mind in these instances. But if he'll allow, I'd like to tell you what happened. (That's another thing: no telling about Tarot readings unless given permission)

Yet he stated to me that he used to read palms...hm. A hypocrite, or not, everybody?

[Andrew J.]

You and your silly little superstitions. I'm not dumb enough to believe that crap, because I'm a Scorpio.

[haas mark]

You are such a Scorpio....

[Andrew J.]

You are such a Scorpio....

Don't hate me because I'm a Scorpio...

Hate me 'cause I'm better than you and you know it.

[haas mark]

*growls* how are oyu better than me? Who are you to judge?

[Andrew J.]

*growls* how are oyu better than me? Who are you to judge?

I'm me, and that makes me better than eveyone and qualified to judge that fact!

(Just checking, but we are just joking aroud, right? I'd hate to think I've offended someone by accident...)

[haas mark]

Actually, I have been offended, but I also do forgive (hey, you apologized in advance--very admirable!)

I was just saying you are such a Scorpio because you just completely contradicted yourself! A true sign of a Scorpio!

[Andrew J.]

Actually, I have been offended, but I also do forgive (hey, you apologized in advance--very admirable!)

I was just saying you are such a Scorpio because you just completely contradicted yourself! A true sign of a Scorpio!

*whaps verilon on the head*

That was ironic humor!

Also, a real sign of a Scorpio is being an arrogant jackass, which I think I've pulled off admirably so far, eh?

[haas mark]

Somewhat.

But for a Cancer, I seem to be one of the most outgoing on this board...I mean, 600 some LOGICAL posts in less than a month!

[Andrew J.]

illogical

Somewhat.

But for a Cancer, I seem to be one of the most outgoing on this board...I mean, 600 some LOGICAL posts in less than a month!

So does that mean the other 160-odd posts are illogical?

And you seem to be less wishy-washy than the average Cancer, too.

[haas mark]

Well, try the "Let's play a game threads"

Wishy-washy...? Cancers...? No, that's more of an Aquarian trait.

[Andrew J.]

Wishy-washy...? Cancers...? No, that's more of an Aquarian trait.

Well, wishy-washiness is relative, especially when you're dealing with a Damn Evil Scorpio(TM) such as myself...

Post count +1

Ego count +1

[Kelly Antilles]

Actually, I have been offended, but I also do forgive (hey, you apologized in advance--very admirable!)

I was just saying you are such a Scorpio because you just completely contradicted yourself! A true sign of a Scorpio!

*whaps verilon on the head*

That was ironic humor!

Also, a real sign of a Scorpio is being an arrogant jackass, which I think I've pulled off admirably so far, eh?

So, since I'm a Scorpio means I'm an arrogant jackass too?

[Lagmonster]

So, since I'm a Scorpio means I'm an arrogant jackass too?

I think I'm supposed to be a Leo. Doesn't that mean I'm arrogant and vain? Here, all along, I just thought I was perfect.

[Kelly Antilles]

Scorpios are not arrogant jackasses... at least not visibly. We know how to do it without you ever knowing you were just totally slapped down. Mwhahahahaha.