War with China?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-23 05:13pm

Durran Korr wrote:Does China even have a single aircraft carrier yet?

China is currently procuring a blue water fleet, including carriers, from Russia. They are doing this mostly so they can compete over the Spratly Islands.

Malecoda · Post by **Malecoda** » 2003-01-23 05:22pm

Lagmonster wrote:The basic question is this: What in heaven's name does China have that would justify war with them? Rice?

The only reasons I could see are 1) fundies take over the US and start a crusade to convert the heathens, or 2) China invades our allies, or declares war on the US just for the sheer imperialistic hell of it. Neither are really probable.

India and Pakistan could nuke each other and China would try to pick up the pieces, but we won't let em. Don't know if that'll come true, but keeping China from annexing our next base could be a reason. I like the speculation abt China steamrolling New Zeal--uh, North Korea-- with our aid.

^^ · Post by ^^ » 2003-01-23 05:28pm

My guess would be no and a half

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-01-23 05:51pm

Fifty years is too long a time to guess how the world will change, IMHO.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-23 06:18pm

As far as a major shooting war, most likely not. An economic Cold War similar to that with the Soviet Union is far more likely, IMHO. Even that is something I give no better than 50/50 odds, since so much of our cheap labor is from China.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-23 07:14pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:China's on the best way to become a capitalist state.

Yet they have a piss poor human rights record, and they routinely jail pro-democracy supporters...

I see war or at least a cold war type situation as inevitable in the next 50
years. China is starting to get too big for it's pond, and inevitably, the US
will at one point, be called in by the other countries in the region as a
counterbalance to Chinese power.

China has stated that it wants to get an american standard of living
(or at least close to one) for it's people. Now, that needs LOTS of
oil. And there ain't enough oil in the world to go around right now.

Go take a look at the spratly island spats, etc.

So unless china suddenly finds a magically hidden deposit of oil
on her land that's bigger than the Persian Gulf, war is inevitable.

Deimos Anomaly · Post by **Deimos Anomaly** » 2003-01-23 07:33pm

If China wants oil so bad then they should join with us in Operation Stomp Iraq, and grab some of those oilfields for themselves.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-01-23 08:52pm

China snagged a carrier from the Russians, but it's a rusty hulk that they'd have to be insane to try and deploy. More likely they're studying it in hopes of building one of their own. They've also been looking over an old WW2 light carrier they picked up somewhere.

BTW, where does India figure into this? Anywhere besides their stanoff with Pakistan?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-23 08:55pm

Deimos Anomaly wrote:If China wants oil so bad then they should join with us in Operation Stomp Iraq, and grab some of those oilfields for themselves.

Someone show Deimos a fucking map. Siberia and the Spratlys are RIGHT
on CHINA'S DOORSTEP.

Iraq is very very far away from China.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-23 09:05pm

MKSheppard wrote:Someone show Deimos a fucking map. Siberia and the Spratlys are RIGHT on CHINA'S DOORSTEP

And the Spratlys are not filled with Islamic fundies.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-23 09:08pm

Spratlys are the ones by the Philippines, correct?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-01-23 09:19pm

The Dark wrote:Spratlys are the ones by the Philippines, correct?

That's correct, they are located in the South China Sea. They are claimed by the Philippines, Malaysia, China, and I think another country. They are currently not being drilled, because no company will invest money on such a disputed peice of real estate.

If China gets their blue water navy, they can capture and hold the islands, giving them the oil.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-23 09:23pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
The Dark wrote:Spratlys are the ones by the Philippines, correct?
That's correct, they are located in the South China Sea. They are claimed by the Philippines, Malaysia, China, and I think another country. They are currently not being drilled, because no company will invest money on such a disputed peice of real estate.

If China gets their blue water navy, they can capture and hold the islands, giving them the oil.

Yeah, and IIRC the Philippines have the best claim to them. Unfortunately, they're having to deal with their own Islamic fundamentalists right now, and the government's kinda shaky. A couple of my friends are from there and they're worried the nation might actually collapse.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-23 09:29pm

The Dark wrote:Yeah, and IIRC the Philippines have the best claim to them. Unfortunately, they're having to deal with their own Islamic fundamentalists right now, and the government's kinda shaky. A couple of my friends are from there and they're worried the nation might actually collapse.

Won't happen. The Phillipines is basically a US ally. We're already sending
special forces to waste the fundies in the outlying island chains of
the Phillipines.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-23 11:08pm

Setzer wrote:
Montcalm wrote:War with China i hope not they brought us good food like fried cat.
POKE! POKE! POKE! POKE! POKE! POKE! POKE!

There. That was my seven shot POKE! launcher. I work in a Chinese food restaurant. The meats they use are Chicken, Pork, Beef, and Shrimp.
Quit spreading these stupid lies, N00B.

I know a chinese restaurant that operates an illegal abortion clinic on the second floor though

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-01-24 01:53am

Malecoda wrote:
Lagmonster wrote:The basic question is this: What in heaven's name does China have that would justify war with them? Rice?

The only reasons I could see are 1) fundies take over the US and start a crusade to convert the heathens, or 2) China invades our allies, or declares war on the US just for the sheer imperialistic hell of it. Neither are really probable.
India and Pakistan could nuke each other and China would try to pick up the pieces, but we won't let em. Don't know if that'll come true, but keeping China from annexing our next base could be a reason. I like the speculation abt China steamrolling New Zeal--uh, North Korea-- with our aid.

Of course this assumes that West Isla..er, Australia, is not first colonised by New Zeal..um, American Capatilism.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-01-24 01:57am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:Will we see a major war between the United States and China within the next fifty years?

No, based on what we know about China now, China simply does not have th economic strength to do it, or rather is most unlikly to have it.
The Chinese are too pragmatic to shoot themselves in the foot with a war that neither side can efectivly prosicute.

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