Well, I had a bad experience today. (Warning Gruesome)

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-11 07:29pm

Seggybop wrote:I understand the position of everyone. What I don't get is that after you capture the animal and it's no longer able to cause you damage you need to kill it. It seems sort of gratuitious.

Yes he captured it, now what's he supposed to do with it? Release it so it can terrorize his chickens some more? Maybe give it to a humane society were it'll be destroyed in a week? Keep it as a pet? I'm not really seeing a lot of options here.

EDIT: That is if humane societies take in possums, I suppose it could depend on where you go.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-11 07:31pm

Seggybop wrote:No, he shouldn't stab it in the first place. He had already captured it. Like shooting captured POWs or something. They can't hurt you anymore but you kill them anyway. Not that the possum is the same as a human, but it's the same idea that there's no reason to hurt it after it's no longer able to attack.

OK, so what should he do with it? Release it elsewhere where it could attack other animals or even humans? Leave it by the road so it could turn into roadkill? Keep it as a pet even though it's a filthy potentially disease-carrying rodent?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-02-11 07:34pm

Seggybop wrote:No, he shouldn't stab it in the first place. He had already captured it. Like shooting captured POWs or something. They can't hurt you anymore but you kill them anyway. Not that the possum is the same as a human, but it's the same idea that there's no reason to hurt it after it's no longer able to attack.

If I'm not mistaken, the animal its not much different from a rat. What should they have done? Manage to keep in secure and drive it to a distant place (possibly another farm)? That's not the way things work in rural areas.

As barbaric as it may seem to a city PETA member, farmers kill all the time. Porcs, chickens, white cuddly rabbits, even newborn cats and dogs. It's a necessity in their way of life.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-11 07:37pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:As barbaric as it may seem to a city PETA member, farmers kill all the time. Porcs, chickens, white cuddly rabbits, even newborn cats and dogs. It's a necessity in their way of life.

Porcs are pigs, right? Four-legged pink or grey animals that snort and wallow in mud?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-02-11 07:40pm

Dalton wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:As barbaric as it may seem to a city PETA member, farmers kill all the time. Porcs, chickens, white cuddly rabbits, even newborn cats and dogs. It's a necessity in their way of life.
Porcs are pigs, right? Four-legged pink or grey animals that snort and wallow in mud?

Yes, sorry. I switched to portuguese somehow. Don't know if "porcs" exist in english

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2003-02-11 07:40pm

Dalton wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:As barbaric as it may seem to a city PETA member, farmers kill all the time. Porcs, chickens, white cuddly rabbits, even newborn cats and dogs. It's a necessity in their way of life.
Porcs are pigs, right? Four-legged pink or grey animals that snort and wallow in mud?

Not to mention delicious.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-02-11 07:41pm

This is a possum. They are nasty, disease-ridden rodents that kill livestock and pets in rural areas, and kill pets, damage power lines, and eat garbage in urban areas. Sad as it may be, they really have no place in man's world.

That said, regardless of how horrible a creature is, it's always hard to kill an animal (at least it should be if you're normal), and anarchistbunny did have a traumatic experience. That sucks.

Seggybop, I'd love to hear what you think he should have done with his "captured" animal.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2003-02-11 08:20pm

Robert Treder wrote:This is a possum. They are nasty, disease-ridden rodents...

Actually it's a nasty, disease-ridden marsupial (sp?) but that's beside the point.

Tough luck that it couldn't be killed more painlessly but when an animal sees you livestock as an easy source of food, you have to act.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-02-11 08:24pm

anarchistbunny wrote:
NF_Utvol wrote:you could just break its neck, alot less gruesome that way, or you could have just hit it against the concrete block really hard like in the head.
Have you seen the teeth on a opossom? Sure there not a tiger, but there intimidating for their size.

Yeah, I have seen the teeth an opossom many times. They look kinda funny when they hiss at you. Didnt you say you had it in a bag or something, though? Just cover up its head with the bag.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-11 08:28pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:Yes, sorry. I switched to portuguese somehow. Don't know if "porcs" exist in english

We call the meat from the pig "pork" which appears to be phonetically identical.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-02-11 08:31pm

NF_Utvol wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:
NF_Utvol wrote:you could just break its neck, alot less gruesome that way, or you could have just hit it against the concrete block really hard like in the head.
Have you seen the teeth on a opossom? Sure there not a tiger, but there intimidating for their size.
Yeah, I have seen the teeth an opossom many times. They look kinda funny when they hiss at you. Didnt you say you had it in a bag or something, though? Just cover up its head with the bag.

Had it in a fishing net.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-02-11 08:47pm

Seggybop, I don't know where you learned about oppossums, but they are NOT the cuddly animals portrayed on Disney cartoons.

We've had several run-ins with them, and in case you're wondering, we keep geese. Oppossums have killed several goslings, and we've lost two geese to them.

One night when my father went out to feed them, he saw a possum heading for the bird pen, so he grabbed the nearest blunt object (a 2x4) and tried to put the thing out. Now, let me tell you that they are extremely nasty creatures, and as hard as a rat to kill. The thing started climbing UP the 2x4; my dad wound up smacking it into the concrete pavement until the board broke.

So why don't you just shut the fuck up, dumbass. It's called survival of the fittest.

Sr.mal · Post by **Sr.mal** » 2003-02-11 10:07pm

anarchistbunny wrote:
Dalton wrote:
Seggybop wrote:I feel like punching your mother if I saw her. Ordering the execution of the pathetic creature and then breaking down when you attempt to comply with the order.
In any case, killing things shouldn't be done unless it's absolutely necessary...
Did you even read the post, or is it just a knee-jerk reaction? The opossum was killing his chickens. I'd say it was justified.
Not only were they chickens, they were pets, most of them have names, and can easily be held. What would you do if you caught a animal that had killed a cat or small dog of yours, that you have had for years? While none of my older ones were killed, I lost several half year old one children of older birds that have died, and some really beautiful new breeds I bought.

I would fucking MURDER them!

Sektor31 · Post by **Sektor31** » 2003-02-11 10:15pm

Doesn't matter how you killed it, as long as it died quickly.

I would kill the enemy that kills my own friends routinely without any questions. How you kill doesn't matter, as long as it isn't slow and painful, now that would be immoral.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-11 10:19pm

If you got bite or scratched, did you go to a doctor to get it checked out?

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-02-11 10:19pm

Reminds me of when I've had to deal with feral cats. Yes, they look like normal cats, but they are fucking psychotic. If you wound one, don't even think about trying to wring its neck like you would a rabbit, its time for a baseball bat or just time to shoot it again.

And before you protest about the violence of it you should see feral cats in number. I mean like tens, if not hundreds of them. They'll clear a forest of native wildlife in a week or so.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-02-11 10:21pm

Possibly Seggy doesn't understand the difference between a cuddly white mouse and a vicious, disease-riddled opossum which previously killed an assload of family pets.

Yes, I'm suggesting that he's stupid.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-11 10:22pm

Guys, calm it down. We don't need to nuke Seggy.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-02-11 10:24pm

Dalton wrote:Guys, calm it down. We don't need to nuke Seggy.

He haven't made a reply yet either to what we said already lol heheh.

Edit: As for the possum, nice to know it's dead...If you can find a forest man give it to him.

Cyaround,
Jason

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-02-11 10:26pm

Seggybop wrote:No, he shouldn't stab it in the first place. He had already captured it. Like shooting captured POWs or something. They can't hurt you anymore but you kill them anyway. Not that the possum is the same as a human, but it's the same idea that there's no reason to hurt it after it's no longer able to attack.

Excuse me Seggy, but do you delight in reminding him about what he had to do?

Just what the fuck was he 'supposed' to do, call animal control and hope the damn thing didn't chew through the fish net and go after him? They are NOTHING like the disney animals you see on TV. They are flat out MEAN, and will attack anything close to their size, or even larger if threatened enough. He did what he had to do with what he had nearby. Sure, what he did was pretty harsh but it was NECESSARY. He was not only protecting himself, but his animals as well. He was justified in his actions, and I probably would've done worse if it had attacked my dogs.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-02-11 10:26pm

HemlockGrey wrote:There is a bear who routinely raids my uncle's beehives.

My uncle is a former US Marine, an extremely good shot, and better armed than a hundred Shep's.

That bear is in serious trouble if he ever missteps.

On a more related note, that sucks. Part of the reason my uncle carries a pistol on his property and up at his cabin is so that he can put down animals quickly and easily.

I would be careful about advocating violence against bears around here, it can be hazades to your health.

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2003-02-11 10:42pm

Seggy, you sir are an idiot. For the record, I am one who'd love to see every damned PETA "member" executed for crimes against humanity.

Anarchistbunny, sorry to hear about your chickens, back before I moved to Washington (from California) I had about 50 chickens, most of them had names, most would come when called, all of them were egg hens of course. We also used to have geese. 'Coons and possums were a serious problem, we lost like 3 geese to 'coons and always had to worry about the cats and the possums.

That has to suck having to do it that way, though on a similar note, in the future if you have to remove a creature like that from the world of the living, grab the tail (and/or back legs), step on the head, and pull sharply, they don't feel a thing and are dead even before you're done with the motion. I know how this works as I've had to do it with mortally injured animals, including a pet goose and a couple of chickens.

Just so you all know, having to put down an animal you own (even if not a pet, but especially a pet) never gets any easier, it seems to be an ingrained thing in a normal human mind that taking a life is bad, even if it is for a reason, such as ending the creature's suffering.

A final note to Seggy: keep this PETA-esqu crap up and you'll shortly have an enemy on this board. On and PETA really stands for "People for the Eating of Tasty Animals"

Falkenhorst · Post by **Falkenhorst** » 2003-02-11 10:46pm

Possums are hard as fuck to kill. One time I noticed one lurking near my grandma's woodshed, so I went and got a shotgun and when I came back it had climbed up on top of a stack of firewood. I shot it from about 20 feet away and it fell off the woodpile. I started walking over there, and the stupid thing got up and climbed back up on the firewood again, so I shot it a second time. It finally died after a few minutes of kicking and twitching.

I've heard their brains are very small, and you can actually shoot them in the head with a .22 and they'll shrug it off. That's why you have to nail em with a stick or shovel or a shotgun or something, to put them down hard.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-11 10:52pm

If you guys don't stop cooking off at Seggy (who hasn't even defended himself yet) I will lock this thread. Ganging up on him is unfair. Let him explain his rationale.

(Yes, I realize this might sound hypocritical, but I haven't snapped at him the way you guys have.)

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-02-11 10:55pm

Falkenhorst wrote:Possums are hard as fuck to kill. One time I noticed one lurking near my grandma's woodshed, so I went and got a shotgun and when I came back it had climbed up on top of a stack of firewood. I shot it from about 20 feet away and it fell off the woodpile. I started walking over there, and the stupid thing got up and climbed back up on the firewood again, so I shot it a second time. It finally died after a few minutes of kicking and twitching.

I've heard their brains are very small, and you can actually shoot them in the head with a .22 and they'll shrug it off. That's why you have to nail em with a stick or shovel or a shotgun or something, to put them down hard.

Thats an Opossum. Aussie possums, goddamn... I've seen those things shrug off a headshot from a 30-06 and just keep on going about their business.