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Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-15 01:02am

Grimm's Fairy Tales

Specifically "Red Riding Hood", & The Lady & The Lion (Beuty and the Beast) in their original format.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-15 01:04am

Or for those that don't know
Red Riding hood has

Underaged Lesbian Incest
Canabalism
an Underaged girl being raped by a werewolf
Same girl getting raped again by a werewolf hunter.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-15 01:07am

Yeah, I remember reading about that one in the Anime Encyclopedia.

Makes me glad I'm trying to download My Fair Masseuse, where the woman actually enjoys making love with her clients...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-15 01:17am

1001 Nights (Sinbad has a Harem full of Ghoula's & Succubae, and they never seem inclined to kill him like they would any normal male) has lots of explicit sex and raunchy humour (The guy who holds in his farts too long and kills his father in-law)

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-02-15 01:34am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Or for those that don't know
Red Riding hood has

Underaged Lesbian Incest
Canabalism
an Underaged girl being raped by a werewolf
Same girl getting raped again by a werewolf hunter.

WHAT??? Which fairy tales have you been reading? I don't remember LRRH having any thing like that in it......

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-15 01:42am

Werewolf? It was just a talking wolf, bear.

You need more sleep or something, your starting to unravel.

And what lesbian underage incest? What the hell are you talking about?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-15 01:47am

He's talking about the original tales...not the disney versions everyone grew up with

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-15 01:47am

Duh, so am I.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-15 01:52am

Unfortunatly I had the misfortune of being exposed to the unexpergated versions of most fairy tales, at a fairly young age.... These are the more or less very frightening versions that got cleaned up. I mean most people don't read the full version of the Thousand & One Nights either.

Yes, The evil stepmother discovered Rapunzel's prince because she began to show (Eg, more then a few months pregnant), and the torcher sequence that followed was pretty graphic in the older versions.

Erm, It wasn't exactly a "Kiss" that the prince used to wake sleeping beuty either, "Kiss" was also a period slang for an entirely different action back then.

Some of those tales were pretty (Bleeping) twisted.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-15 01:54am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Duh, so am I.

Well he's talking about the original original ones....I think you might be thinking of the sanatized written versions....I've read some of the stuff he's reffering to...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-15 02:00am

So have I.

I know about Red drinking the blood of her grandmother, the wolf tricking her into thinking it was wine.

But not about the wolf being a werewolf, the wolf raping Red, some sort of underage lesbian incest, or the hunter raping Red.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-15 02:02am

Yes, I am refering to the Original, Original ones, with full period annotation, My mom's copy of Grimms, The Legend of King Arthur, & The Arabian nights left none of the bad stuff, and had Tolkien-esq appendixes explaining in graphic detail the slang and allusions that were understood at the times and sanitized out of the later versions.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-02-15 02:04am

Here's a site with some less butchered translations:

http://members.fortunecity.com/mighty39/

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-15 02:05am

I can't believe you until you actually tell me exactly what the fuck you're talking about, and refer to my post above for what I don't know what you're talking about.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-15 02:17am

My most traumatic thing in my childhood, actually was reading my mom's Fairy Tales & Arabian Nights books.

The Preface to the Midevil times explained that, it was a common belief during that time period that Werewolves lurked in forrests and liked to eat men, and the old, and Rape young women. Many women claimed to be raped by a were wolf.

The Preface to the tale of little Red Riddinghood, explained that the girl was being sent to her Grandmothers to be "Schooled" in matter's sexual (based on themes of the time, and on some psycho analysis). (So the incest potential was implied), In the older versions the wolf/werewolf (Thus why it could also hide in bed like a human) tricks her into drinking the blood thinking it's wine, and into eating a meat pie made from the remains of granny (Again with full legends of the time Black Sabbath communion would turn someone into a witch or a werewolf), the wolf then raped her, and kept her in his bed. She then escaped, the (were)wolf was killed by a knight who took her as his prize or property.

The lycanthropic angle being the easiest to establish being that the wolf did more then just talk, it had a humaniod shape, used cutlery, could bake, and use vases etc.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-15 02:18am

It's also suggested that "Grandmother" may have been a witch, and that the parent's were selling their daughter to the witch.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-15 02:25am

Ahh, I gotcha.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-02-15 02:47am

The Yosemite Bear could you do a brief synopy(sp) of Arabian Nights books. IIRC those books make John Norman look like a right-wing fanatical feminist.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-02-15 04:11am

Ok, king treats a witch disrespectfully, she shows him that his whole harem is carring on with the palace gaurd, eachother, and the eunics (Oral sex & Dildos). Transported on a whirlwind he arrives and cleans house in an Odyssion Fashion, and then resolves never to trust a woman again, but to always kill them after taking their virginity. Being a king, and the fertility of the kingdom being related to the virility of the king, he hence forth would get married 3 times a week and his new bride would be executed in some horrendous fashion the next day excluding the sabbath.

His main adviser/wisard has two daughters, although the oldest is a witch who communes with demons, she is still physically a virgin. Rather then let another peasant girl be executed in this fashion, the older daughter named Sharazard strides forcefully into the king's chamber. When ordered to bow before her liege. She disrobes completly (Infront of her father, and the king's advisors) and crosses the throne room in a manner immitating a snake never lifting her head from the ground. The king seeing this display decides to have her thrown into a pit of asps and burned alive. Reaching the base of the throne, she lifts her self in imitation of a snake again and with her mouth alone she calms his fury (Gave him one hell of a blow job). Later in the royal bedchamber after a night in which he discovers that not only is she still a virgin (He ruptured her hymen) but she is more knowledgeable in sexual matters then he is. She tells him a bawd tale the night before her impending execution at dawn the next moring.

Addicted to her tales he grants her a daily rapreave as long as she can provide him with a new nocturnal tale that meets with his approval.

Sinbad involves several tales, which have the largest amount of women as property/strange sex, etc. Almost seems a retelling of the Odyssy, Sinbad has sex with: Harpies, Daughter's of Lucifer, witches, Ghoula (Beutiful Female demons who eat men after fucking them), Jinn (as in Genies), Succubae, "Atlanteans"(Not actually called Atlanteans, just he spends 50 years on an Island Paradise, where he doesn't age (niether do the people there, and when his wife dies, he is entombed alive where he eats her, and other unlucky grooms, before escaping the catacombs bringing about the end of the island), all the while treating the women rather badly. He ends up a very wealthy man, with a harem of over a hundred all made up of Gholas and Succubae.

Aladian, is a selfish brat, who motivated by class revenge, posses as a wealthy man, and then treats his princess bride in an appaling fashion, berating her for being shallow enough to marry a Beggar/Thief.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-02-15 05:04am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's just really messed up. I don't think Japan has any tenticle demons or multi-penised monsters in their myths and legends...

It's just an expansion on the rape fantasy. I'm sure the West has similar stuff where women are raped by monsters or animals.

Click here

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-15 05:10am

Yeah, but that's just an octopus.

Europe had depictions of bestiality like that for centuries, too.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-02-15 07:55am

XaLEv wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's just really messed up. I don't think Japan has any tenticle demons or multi-penised monsters in their myths and legends...

It's just an expansion on the rape fantasy. I'm sure the West has similar stuff where women are raped by monsters or animals.
Click here

*Chokes*

*Dies*

Not a pleasant image, IMO.