Forwared:Mocking the Protesters(Pic Heavy)

[Kuja]

"The French. Always there when they need you."

Very true, if it wasn't for the French, the Union flag would still fly over the government buildings in the 13 colonies.

That was the French back when they had a spine. Now, they spend all their time bullying Eastern European countries.

[Ted]

That was the French back when they had a spine. Now, they spend all their time bullying Eastern European countries.

And the Americans dont bully countries?

[Nathan F]

I mean, I am not a war monger or anything, although I do think something needs to be done about Saddam in this case, but I just get tired of all the aforementioned peaceniks on every stinking corner making the rest of the university crowd look bad while they are only a small minority of students.

Look at these letters to the school newspaper, as opposed to a very few anti war letters being sent. In fact the only anti-war stuff that I ever see is from a couple of idiots (when I say idiots, I mean that they never support their views with facts) who have columns:
http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/article.php/9207
http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/article.php/9206
http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/article.php/9117

lets see, that is three pro-war in one week, compared with one anti war, which, might I add, doesn't give a very good argument.

This one gives a good example of the complete and utter ignorance of a typical protestor:
http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/article.php/8687
They verbally assault an ROTC cadet saying he was a baby killer in Afghanistan. Hmm, I wonder if they realize that FRIGGEN ROTC CADETS AREN'T IN THE MILITARY!!! Good lord, I was about to join AFROTC, but, because of class scheduling, I wasn't able to. I know that I would most likely have gone off on this person if they had the gall to call me a baby-killer if I was in ROTC.

[Kuja]

That was the French back when they had a spine. Now, they spend all their time bullying Eastern European countries.

And the Americans dont bully countries?

Of course America bullies countries. However, America bullies countries that, in one way or another, appear threatening (Iraq, Iran, NKorea, etc.) However, have you heard what France is doing to EU applicees? Romania and the Czech Republic have both thrown their support towards the US...and now France is telling them that their application to join the EU is now in serious jeapordy. France is using it position as one of the 800-pound-gorillas in the EU (Germany being another) to bully smaller countries into accepting their position.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Oh, sweet heaven... I'm totally printing these out and leaving them in the rooms of the philosphy teachers at my school.

[Shadow WarChief]

I live in San Francisco.

At my school, there are no more than 4 pro war people. 4 is probably pushing it too much. The real answer is probably closer around 2 or 3 and that's including me.

Less than 1% of my school is for war and the remaning 99 are definately against it. Anti War posters are plastered against almost every other hallway.

Therefore, Bean has my undying gratitude: I now have something to cover those signs up with!

[The Great Unbearded One]

ROFL! I like it!

[Mr Bean]

I try to do my best

Also if you head to Rushs Site they acutal have the Streaming audio of this guys call pretty funny

Here's the Link


If the link does not work head to the main site and save target as to get the link
The main site link

[Darth Fanboy]

"Don't send our boys to Iraq! Send missles first!"

"Saddam kills puppies!"

or, to sow dischord among the PETA people

"Saddam likes Steak! (and he kills puppies)"

[Vympel]

Of course America bullies countries. However, America bullies countries that, in one way or another, appear threatening (Iraq, Iran, NKorea, etc.) However, have you heard what France is doing to EU applicees? Romania and the Czech Republic have both thrown their support towards the US...and now France is telling them that their application to join the EU is now in serious jeapordy. France is using it position as one of the 800-pound-gorillas in the EU (Germany being another) to bully smaller countries into accepting their position.

That bunch of nations, largely made up of "reformed" communist governments – e.g. Poland, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria (where the Bulgarian Socialist Party rules) – still do not represent the wishes of their own people, who are quite anti-war:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2078876/

I also finding it interesting that refusing to offer economic priveleges to a bunch of East European shitholes filled with former communist leaders is the act of a bully, but reserving the right to attack any nation on Earth pre-emptively is not.

As for countries that 'appear threatening'- this is defined as pretty much any nation that does not tow the US line; yes this includes shitholes like Iraq/Iran/NK, but also nations like Germany, Serbia (ethnic cleansing, my ass) as well as more subtle bullying in the forms of rampant protectionism (particualrly Australia and New Zealand and Canada) while waxing poetic about 'free trade'.

[Darth Fanboy]

Serbia (ethnic cleansing, my ass)

Ask a few ethnic Albanians about it and i'm sure you'll be enlightened. Those mass graves weren't excavations from an ancient city.

[Vympel]

Ask a few ethnic Albanians about it and i'm sure you'll be enlightened. Those mass graves weren't excavations from an ancient city.

*snort*

What mass graves? You know they didn't find JACK SHIT in all of Kosovo. The number of dead found did not exceed some 2,000, in individual graves, some of them Christian, and no mention of the combatant to non-combatant ratio.

It was a low-level civil war against a bunch of narco terrorists (state departments own words). People get displaced during them.

Hell, even most staunch right-wingers I know on various forums think the thing was a farce. Because Clinton did it.

[Vympel]

"I Was Right About Kovoso"
by John Laughland
The Spectator
11/20/99

"The guy's a complete asshole." Spectator readers, who are simple souls, may be unfamiliar with the sophisticated legal terminology and carefully weighed judicial arguments employed by the Spokesman for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, the body upon which all future international law and civilisation is to be based. Yet this was how Paul Risley described your correspondent when confronted with a recent article in this magazine on the low body count in Kosovo. In it, I alleged that the number of Albanians massacred by Serbs had been inflated by Nato propaganda and that the International Criminal Tribunal is so deep inside Nato's pockets as to make kangaroo courts look like models of due process.

Last week, the Tribunal's Prosecutor, Carla del Ponte, made a statement to the United Nations in New York to counter the article's allegations. She claimed that the findings of the forensic investigators were helping to establish both the total number of dead and the overall pattern of the killing. In fact what the report establishes is both the overall pattern – and indeed the detail – of the deception practised by the leading Nato governments.

In May 1999, at the height of the attacks on Yugoslavia, the US State Department published a detailed report entitled "Erasing History, Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo." Its political impact was immense, contributing to the indictment of Slobodan Milosevic and the other Yugoslav leaders. The report is still available on the State Department's web site, suggesting that it remains authoritative. But what the Tribunal's findings now prove is that the report contained little but the wild imaginings – or deliberate lies – of the men and women whose fingers are on the buttons of the world's most powerful military alliance.

According to the State Department, the following massacres occurred: "Serbian military and police forces reportedly killed as many as 350 ethnic Albanians in Suva Reka"; 200 ethnic Albanian men were executed at Orlate; 200 men of military age were killed in Podujevo; "approximately 150" were killed in Izbica; in Kraljane, 100 Albanian civilians were executed; a "mass grave" contained 70 bodies in Rezala; approximately 50 men were executed in Malisevo; in Kaaniku, 45 were killed and dumped in mass grave; 63 people were killed in Cecelija ("according to Albanian TV in Tirana"); 21 were killed in Kuraz; 20 in Goden; 12 in Gornje Obrinje; "at least 6" in Gniljane; and 5 at Hade. There were "three truckloads of bodies" in Pristina and 14 Albanian men were executed at Vataj. This makes a total of over 1,300 reported deaths. However, the ICTY investigators have not discovered one single body at any of these 16 sites. In a separate allegation, John Sweeney wrote in The Observer in June that the Serbs had been burning "a hundred bodies a day for the past two months" in the incinerators at the Trepca mines, yet Tribunal investigators have categorically denied that there were any human remains either in the mine shafts or in the incinerators – a fact which The Observer has not deigned to report.

The State Department reported 300 killed in Djakovica; 60 at Belenica; 50 at Glogovac; at least 70 in Kosovo Polje; 100 at Ljubenic; 112 at Mala Krusha; 20-30 at Prizren; 50 in Rugovo; 115 in Srbica; 40 in Urosevac. This makes a total of 927 alleged murders. The ICTY investigators have in fact discovered 99 bodies at these sites, a whisker over 10% of the figures reported. Finally, the State Department reported 100 killed in Brusnik, while 28 bodies have been found there. 37 bodies have been found at Jovic; 16 at Kacanik; 25 at Kotlina; 65 in Pec. Other significant finds include 98 bodies at Gornje Sudimlja; 70 at Suvi Do; 77 at Bela Crkva; 74 at Velika Krusa (where about 70 people were killed by Nato cluster bombs); 67 at Celina; 68 in one site at Orahovac; 106 at Pusto Selo; 97 at Rakos; and 121 in three sites at Cikatovo. The total body count reported by the Tribunal is 2,108.

Even if one assumes that all these people are Albanians murdered for ethnic reasons by Serbs, this is 1/5 of the number alleged by the Foreign Office in June; 1/50 of the number alleged by William Cohen in May; and 1/250 of the number suggested by the State Department in April. However, even this assumption is unjustified. First, in the vast majority of cases, the bodies were buried in individual, not mass graves. Second, the Tribunal will not say what sex or age the alleged victims are, let alone what nationality. There were many causes of violent death in the province: over 100 Serb and Albanian civilians have been killed in terrorist attacks by the Albanian KLA since its insurrection began in 1998; 462 Serb soldiers and 114 Serb Interior Ministry police were killed during the war; the KLA, which had tens of thousands of men under arms, also sustained casualties, as death notices in Kosovo towns announcing Albanian men killed in combat testify; and finally, hundreds of Serb and Albanian civilians were killed by the Nato bombing. (For that matter, over 200 hundred people have also been killed since the war by stepping on unexploded Nato cluster bombs.) Many of the excavations have been carried out in what are obviously Christian cemeteries (with gravestones rather than posts) while several corpses have been wearing blue (i.e. Serb police) uniforms.

The Prosecutor insists that this figure is not a final body count nor even a full census of the dead. As she says with remarkable candour, her office's first priority has been "to gather evidence relevant to the criminal charges against President Milosevic and other leaders" – in other words to look the other way if atrocities are committed by Albanians against Serbs or gypsies. (To underline the organic connection between the Tribunal and Nato, indeed, the former's web page has a link to the latter's.) Instead, she implies that the final body count may be higher when examinations of the remaining "crime scenes" resume in the spring. Paul Risley claims the exhumations have been shelved "because the ground is frozen". However, there has been no frost in Kosovo and the ground is not frozen: on the day this article was written (15th November) it was raining heavily in the province and the temperature was 10 degrees Centigrade. The exhumations must, therefore, have been interrupted for some other reason and the suspicion must be that the winter break is an attempt to kick the embarrassing question of the low body count into touch for a few months, in the hope that people will soon forget about it.

The pattern which is emerging, in other words, is not so much of a systematic attack on the Albanian population as such – Nato's declared casus belli – but rather of a low-level civil war with casualties on both sides, a situation greatly aggravated by Nato's attacks. The fighting was of an utterly different scale from that in either Bosnia or Croatia. Yes, crimes were committed by Serbs during the war, as they indisputably have been by Albanians before and after it. But the most accurate depiction of the nature of the Kosovo conflict is probably that given by a series of court rulings in Germany between January and March of this year, when a series of applications for political asylum by Kosovar Albanians were rejected because political persecution could not be proven. On 12th January 1999, for instance, the German Foreign Ministry gave the following opinion to the Administrative Court in Trier: "An explicit political persecution of the Albanian population cannot be established, even in Kosovo … The actions of the security forces are not directed against Kosovo Albanians as an ethnically defined group but instead against military opponents and their real or supposed supporters." Now, that's what I call legal reasoning.

[Ted]

Ethnic cleansing wasn't just in Kosovo, but in all of the former Yugoslavia.

Or do you not know of the fate of the Muslims there?

How that entire Muslim portions of cities had been flattend by mortar and arty fire, while leaving non-muslim sections intact.

Ethnic cleansing DID happen, no matter how many graves they find.

[Mr Bean]

I happen to know a few folks who where on the ground in Bosina and ate dirt in Yugosoliva, lemme see what I can dig up

[Peregrin Toker]

Actually, my father and older brother marched in a peace protest at the Danish parlament house in Copenhagen. I didn't participate, but I walked by and saw more red banners than you could shake a Soviet Union military parade at.

[Coyote]

Hilarious! It shows what a bunch of chowderheads the knee-jerk Ameriphobes tend to be. Not too long ago, Marina sent me a picture of someone at a protest who had a sign saying "Peace in our Time". At first I argued that it was so obvious the guy had to be a plant but after awhile, I agreed that these people really are that ignorant.

[Vympel]

Ethnic cleansing wasn't just in Kosovo, but in all of the former Yugoslavia.

Or do you not know of the fate of the Muslims there?

And what about the 500,000 Serbs who got expelled from Bosnia? No, noone hears about them.

The Serbs were fucking demonized throughout the entire thing and the Muslims were made to look absolutely blameless.

How that entire Muslim portions of cities had been flattend by mortar and arty fire, while leaving non-muslim sections intact.

Got sources? I bet you don't. In particular, I remember a mortar attack on a market that was immediately blamed on the Serbs by the CNN reporter on the scene (with no sources), even though the shells came from the Muslim lines.

Ethnic cleansing DID happen, no matter how many graves they find.

Not in Kosovo it didn't. The State Departmnet was claiming hundreds of thousands of Albanians dead and other such bullshit propaganda to get people on side. 2,000 people dead (sex, allegiance and age not given out) over the period of a year does not equal ethnic cleansing, thanks very much.

[Archaic`]

Not to bump up an old topic or anything......to hell with it, I'm bumping up an old topic. I guess it'll probably be moved to politics now. Anyway, it may interest some of you guys and girls to know that these guys responsible for mocking the protestors here have set up a website, protestwarrior.com. Their position on Israel is....unfortunate to say the least.

EDIT: More coverage on Rush Limbaugh's Radio show as well.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/ ... guest.html

[Master of Ossus]

I personally still like the Onion's "I'm protesting with stupid -->" and "I support my activist girlfriend."

[Archaic`]

I'm surprised they haven't already used those as signs by now.

*Sighs* It's really sad the positions that some of these people are promoting on their forums though, even if they are (IMO), right about the war.