Vegetarians right or not?

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

Well Wong I was going to mention that if everyone went vegetarian, livestock would be rapidly eliminated because it is far less efficient to raise them than crops, and a pasture land would be relaced by farmland. (Population increae requires more land and food - eats into grazing land for animals and pasture land for livestock - rapid extinction of animals possible. Possibly flawed logic. Awaiting corrections.)

Then there's your point about different nutrition provided by plants and animals, on which I agree. I saw this program saying something about eating meat causing the brain to evolve or something. Maybe its all those complex animal proteins (I study biology, but I'm not too good at it, feel free to correct me.)

You don't have to tell her to get fucked up the ass, just tell her to pull her head out of her ass and eat some *REAL* food.

[RedImperator]

You don't have to tell her to get fucked up the ass, just tell her to pull her head out of her ass and eat some *REAL* food.

I think Lord Wong has a point with the ass fucking. It would mean she'd have to unclench it for a few minutes, anyway.

[Darth Wong]

Well Wong I was going to mention that if everyone went vegetarian, livestock would be rapidly eliminated because it is far less efficient to raise them than crops, and a pasture land would be relaced by farmland. (Population increae requires more land and food - eats into grazing land for animals and pasture land for livestock - rapid extinction of animals possible. Possibly flawed logic. Awaiting corrections.)

If the food requirements stayed flat and no one ate meat any more, we would free up a lot of agricultural land as ranchers go out of business. Barring a population explosion, they're not going to grow crops on all that land because that would imbalance supply and demand, thus depressing prices. But if and when they go out of business, they're going to sell the land to somebody. Unless the government plans to buy it all up (the prices would be pretty depressed in this scenario), I'm not sure what would happen at that point.

Not that it matters, though. You're not going to stop eating meat, I'm not going to stop eating meat, and the vegan fanatics aren't going to stop us

Then there's your point about different nutrition provided by plants and animals, on which I agree. I saw this program saying something about eating meat causing the brain to evolve or something. Maybe its all those complex animal proteins (I study biology, but I'm not too good at it, feel free to correct me.)

I don't know about the brain "evolving" (that doesn't make sense; biological evolution does not work that way), but even if we disregard the theory, it's a fairly reliable correlation that vegans tend to be pale and weak, which seems like more than a coincidence.

You don't have to tell her to get fucked up the ass, just tell her to pull her head out of her ass and eat some *REAL* food.

Sorry, I just have an obsession with womens' asses

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Tell her when she eats vegetables, she's eating them alive.

"At least we;re doing the humane thing and it first. That apple you're eating, it's alive!" -Red Green

[Graeme Dice]

The answers to all your food related questions:
http://www.dietitians.ca/

[IRG CommandoJoe]

Next time you see her, tell her that what she needs is to get fucked up the ass. Maybe it will clear her mind.

I agree with everything you said in this post, but isn't that a little extreme? And what would happen if she agreed? lol

[Faram]

Thank you all for the info.

I’m off hunting info on google and the link Graeme had.

Lord Wong: I am also sorta obsessed with women’s asses to but a 16 year skinny fool and fanatic don’t turn me on.

[Darth Wong]

Next time you see her, tell her that what she needs is to get fucked up the ass. Maybe it will clear her mind.

I agree with everything you said in this post, but isn't that a little extreme? And what would happen if she agreed? lol

Good point. Make sure you have some lube ready before you suggest it to her

[Crown]

Kick her ass next time.

On the news a couple of months ago, the Prime Minister or Premier of Victoria, can't remember which, was opening up a new pertoleum processing plant in Melbourne. Needless to say, a whole bunch of hippies turned up to protest. No problem so far, however they decided to make their protests a little more public in order to get better coverage on the news.

They crossed the street to a petrol station and started harrassing the patrons who were filling up their cars. Now one stupid bitch, this was all being played on the news by the way, started questioning one of the patrons on the propriety of his actions. Their exchange was like as follows;

Hippie: Excuse me but do you know the serious damage people like you do to our environment?

Man: You mean by driving my car?

Hippie: Yes

Man: How did you get to this area?

Hippie: But... um.. huh?

Man: Moron.

I laughed my ass off!

[IRG CommandoJoe]

Nothing funnier than a dumb hippie. Oh wait there aren't any hippies who aren't dumb, so that's redundant.

[Rathark]

Hippie: Excuse me but do you know the serious damage people like you do to our environment?

Man: You mean by driving my car?

Hippie: Yes

Man: How did you get to this area?

Hippie: But... um.. huh?

Man: Moron.

I laughed my ass off!

During the 1990's, I recall there being a lot of talk on Australian university campuses about "student complacency". Campus radicals were scratching their heads and wondering why university students were becoming less and less interested in attending left-wing public protests.

The above dialogue explains almost everything.

There's one added factor, though. While Political Correctness was, in principle, a good thing, the combined efforts of extremists and the media created the distinct impression that it was a threat to free speech (in the most extreme cases, this fear was understandable). In such a climate, where students felt that they were not encouraged to speak up for themselves, how in seven shades of Hell were they supposed to speak up for anyone else?

To answer their questions, all the radicals had to do was to look in the mirror.

[His Divine Shadow]

She had the galle to scream in my face and take my hamburger and toss it in the street.

What. A. Bitch.

Knock her out and sell her as a sex slave to some third world country.

Then buy a new burger from those money.

[His Divine Shadow]

Ummmm ... Big Macs contain real meat? That's news to me

they don't, but quarter pounders does.
Then again, this is finland, we only have high quality meat here, I dunno how it is in/near the states...

[His Divine Shadow]

Well Wong I was going to mention that if everyone went vegetarian, livestock would be rapidly eliminated because it is far less efficient to raise them than crops, and a pasture land would be relaced by farmland. (Population increae requires more land and food - eats into grazing land for animals and pasture land for livestock - rapid extinction of animals possible. Possibly flawed logic. Awaiting corrections.)

But also meat contains alot more energy per pound than vegetables and fruits and shit.
Wich is why predators have to eat now and then, while herbivores have to eat all the time.

Infact I read that meat contains the most energy of all aviable kinds of foods.
You can think of it as energy being condensed into better tasting and smaller packets :p

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

Yah HDS, that's true. Meat has fats and proteins, which have been traditionally been some of the highest-energy-value food sources. Plants are cellulose most of the way, which is basically a packing material that requires specialized digestive tracts to process. Possible exceptions are rice and potatoes, which are carbos, but these have no fats (like most plants), which could be a bad thing.

I didn't know about the predator thing though. Might come in useful. Thanks.

[His Divine Shadow]

I didn't know about the predator thing though. Might come in useful. Thanks.

Look at the lions in Africa, sleep 20 hours a day or so, eat some meat, go back to sleep or having fun, the herbivores just eats all day long.

[Blaze]

But also meat contains alot more energy per pound than vegetables and fruits and shit.
Infact I read that meat contains the most energy of all aviable kinds of foods.[/quote]

Infact fat from meat contains more than twice the energy than protien or carbohydrates.

And as for that vegertarian i'd hav picked up that burger and made her eat it

[Lagmonster]

One of the funniest - in terms of public spectacle - event I ever witnessed from vegetarian zealots was while I was in university. A campus group organized some sort of lunch time event at the University Centre where most of the cafeterias/restaurants are located. They sat around the place, watching people eat, and *crying*. Nothing else but crying. Loudly. Vehemently, if you can consider that.

I believe the point was to show how upset they were about the dead animals, but they didn't serve to do more than be the target of vast, VAST quantities of mockery by the general sort of slackers, drunks, jocks, playboys and busybodies who were just having lunch and really didn't care whether their sandwich had had any sort of right to not BE lunch.

The campus paper covered the event, as I recall, stating in rather understated terms, "The demonstration was recieved by the student body in a somewhat less than sensitive fashion".

[His Divine Shadow]

I just have to laugh in a very cruel fashion against that.
And had I been there, I would have laughed too.

[Tsyroc]

This whole situation reminded me of a Bloom County comic from years ago. Basically the gang started off with the vegetarian thing and then kept taking the sanctity of life thing further and further until they were all hanging from a tree (so they wouldn't squish anything) and one of the characters told everyone to stop breathing because they were killing germs. After they were all done gasping for air they let the whole matter drop.

[Antediluvian]

You should have pointed out to her that they have to kill and mutilate living things for her to be able to eat fruits and vegetables as well.

Shouldn't plants have rights?

[Mark S]

[quote=
But also meat contains alot more energy per pound than vegetables and fruits and shit.
Wich is why predators have to eat now and then, while herbivores have to eat all the time.

Infact I read that meat contains the most energy of all aviable kinds of foods.
You can think of it as energy being condensed into better tasting and smaller packets :p[/quote]

Actually, I read the exact opposite back in University in an "Ecology, Technology and Sociaty" class (forced elective to make kinder, gentler engineers). Meat has LESS energy due to the conversion caused by eating. Energy comes from the sun. Plants take that energy (amoungst other things) and use it to make themselves but of course loose some in the process (pesky laws of thermodynamics). Animals eat those plants and even more energy is lost in the process. When we get around to eating that big ol' steak it's down to the bare bones (no pun intended). That's part of why we don't eat a lot of preditory critters. Their meat has even less energy. That lion in Africa is sleeping all day to conserve energy, not because he has too much. I know when I have too much energy the last thing I do is sleep. And it's usually from all the sugar I've eaten.

Interestingly enough, poison acts in the opposite way, concentrating itself in fat. MMMM fat...

All this writing has made me hungry. Time for some lamb chops.

[XaLEv]

If you see her again, you should ask her how she would feel about vat-grown meat.

[Tsyroc]

What about the fact that she wasted that burger so now that poor cow died for nothing. So the only thing she managed to do was piss someone off and waste some food.

[Graeme Dice]

Meat has LESS energy due to the conversion caused by eating.

This is completely, and utterly incorrect. Protein has the same energy per gram as carbohydrates (4 calories), although your body doesn't burn it unless it has to. Fat has more (9 calories) per gram. Thus, with the same weight of meat, and the same weight of vegetables, you will get more energy out of the meat.

We don't eat predators because their meat doesn't taste good.