Mars

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-30 11:37pm

yeah, that'd be awesome!

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-09-30 11:42pm

Ok, ok...so then make a few varying locales in weather just for kicks. lol

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-30 11:47pm

If we were to terraform Mars, we should make it as diverse as Earth, so that people would ALWAYS find parellels to be comfortable with.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-09-30 11:50pm

yeah, but make it cooler than earth, with warm beaches right next to a set of mountains with enourmous slopes an loads of powder snow. and some fiery lava pits for people like arminius

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-09-30 11:52pm

Yes, I suppose so. How about animals, though? Do we really need them aside from the basic pets? Actually...do we even need those? Hehe, when the population reaches over 3 million, then we should encourage pets.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-09-30 11:57pm

Of course we need animals and pets. Why not? Animals are a part of the web of life. If you go to the trouble to terraform and plant lots of plants, then animals should go to.

Make that 2 feet of powder with a 12 foot base.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-09-30 11:58pm

just food animals, like cows, chickens, etc.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-10-01 12:02am

It just occured to me , where would we get the water? To terraform the planet I mean. Unless you are planning on those hidden machines in Total Recall.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-10-01 12:04am

melt the ice caps?

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-01 12:20am

I was thinking about the water problem, How about taking europa out of Jupiter's orbit, and crashing it into mars. that should do it. Plus it has the added benefit of killing any life in europa that may one day evolve and challenge the supremecy of America.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-10-01 12:21am

I dont think the ice caps hold enough water. Im mean, Im assuming we would want to have oceans and not just lakes.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2002-10-02 01:10am

I think there is enough water underground and at the ice caps

btw where did this willage idiot come from? Raoul Duke, Jr.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-02 01:33am

Durran Korr wrote:Well, you wouldn't exactly be starting a new civilization, wouldn't it just be an extension of Earth's civilization?

Exactly. For the first century, Earth would hold the Mars colony by the balls. Earth has to eat the initial startup costs, and it would be a very long time before Mars could produce enough to be completely debt-free and self-sufficient.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-02 01:33am

Nowhere in the solar system with be safe from the cleansing. Run all you want, the thermonuclear fire will still get you in the end.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-02 01:34am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:It just occured to me , where would we get the water? To terraform the planet I mean. Unless you are planning on those hidden machines in Total Recall.
:roll:

Mars has a lot of H20 locked up in it's polar ice-caps, in underground permafrost, and in hydrates.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-02 01:40am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:Would I go to Mars? Heck no! You would have to live your life in a protected environment. Im happy here.

As to relieving population, thats a big fantasy. There are far too many people born on Earth each year, to make any appreciable dent in population growth with colonization of other worlds.

Even if the Earths growth rate was 0% you still could not make a dent. Not when the population is 6 Billion +.

No amount of Martian/lunar/asteroid/space habitat/extrasolar colonization will relieve the population pressure on Earth. Even if you got to the point where you could export 1,000,000 people per year (and this would require a lot of really big ships,) it is still just a little more than 1/10th of the natural growth rate on Earth. Even if ZPG were achieved (Zero population growth,) it would take over 6000 years to completely depopulate Earth at the rate of 1,000,000 people per year.

Though Earth's comparatively limitless pool of emigrants would likely ensure that it remains at the center of any solar or interstellar empire it creates for at least the first one or two millenia. (Earth would be the sole source of emigrants until the colonies could breed enough people to become truly viable.)

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-10-02 01:09pm

Mars has a lot of H20 locked up in it's polar ice-caps, in underground permafrost, and in hydrates.

How much of this has been verified. The polar caps we can see, but didnt the last probe that went to Mars to look for water, smash into the surface ?

I vaugely remember they think they did take pictures of what looked like water escaping from underground after a landslide????

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-02 09:02pm

TrailerParkJawa wrote:
Mars has a lot of H20 locked up in it's polar ice-caps, in underground permafrost, and in hydrates.
How much of this has been verified. The polar caps we can see, but didnt the last probe that went to Mars to look for water, smash into the surface ?

I vaugely remember they think they did take pictures of what looked like water escaping from underground after a landslide????

The water-erosion features on Mars seem to be at least hundreds of millions of years old. The planet lost it's atmosphere pretty quickly (It has half of Earth's diameter, but about a third of it's mass.)

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-02 09:05pm

?! That's bizarre! Why is that, does anyone know? I mean, why is it that Mars as greater diameter than mass, I mean.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-10-02 09:35pm

Once we land on Mars, we'll get the help of the native Martians, who built the canals of Mars, to terraform it. Then, they'll die out, or lose all their land but a small piece we don't care about.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2002-10-02 11:06pm

oh... now I see how he became village idiot

Ha Lire · Post by **Ha Lire** » 2002-10-02 11:07pm

I would definitely want to live on Mars. ^_^ Then we could come back to earth with big guns and big ships and take them over. =D

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-02 11:17pm

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:?! That's bizarre! Why is that, does anyone know? I mean, why is it that Mars as greater diameter than mass, I mean.

Because, Mars is less dense than Earth. Less iron and other metals.

Azeron · Post by **Azeron** » 2002-10-02 11:20pm

the diameter cannot be greater than the mass of a planet, because we are
A) talking about lines versus areas
B) I don;t know but this is really stupid