My only problem is perishable food supply. Milk wouldn't last long, even in dead winter. Pasturization would be a VERY tedius procedure, assuming its possible without modern technology.
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My only problem is perishable food supply. Milk wouldn't last long, even in dead winter. Pasturization would be a VERY tedius procedure, assuming its possible without modern technology.
My only problem is perishable food supply. Milk wouldn't last long, even in dead winter. Pasturization would be a VERY tedius procedure, assuming its possible without modern technology.
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OT, but planes don't fall out of the sky when the engines stop turning. They simply start gliding, and might get about a 38:1 glide ratio.... I'd hate to be the guys in the Space station though... lol.
Electricity isn't neccicarily going to stop from combustion stoppiage, though it will partly fail. Nuclear powerplants arn't 100% of power production and in the states, power useage to production potential is near enough to 90%. you will get blackouts. Aus however uses Fossil Fuels to produce power... bie bie electricity.
with 20,000+ flights in the world with double and quadriple engine failures all of a sudden, many will crash. though some will be able to salviage a forced landing somewhere Im sure. from a paddoc to a runway. ditchings are gonna be annoying since there will be no rescue... except maybe from a yaght.
If alternitave power sources work like Hydrogen (already mostly developed) or solar power (somewhat developed) then the world will have a disaster, but not a full regression. If electricity itself doesn't work and we now have to do everything like it was done pre-fossil fuels. then it will be bad, we can't sustain the global population with that kind of technology in the long run.
Electricity isn't neccicarily going to stop from combustion stoppiage, though it will partly fail. Nuclear powerplants arn't 100% of power production and in the states, power useage to production potential is near enough to 90%. you will get blackouts. Aus however uses Fossil Fuels to produce power... bie bie electricity.
with 20,000+ flights in the world with double and quadriple engine failures all of a sudden, many will crash. though some will be able to salviage a forced landing somewhere Im sure. from a paddoc to a runway. ditchings are gonna be annoying since there will be no rescue... except maybe from a yaght.
If alternitave power sources work like Hydrogen (already mostly developed) or solar power (somewhat developed) then the world will have a disaster, but not a full regression. If electricity itself doesn't work and we now have to do everything like it was done pre-fossil fuels. then it will be bad, we can't sustain the global population with that kind of technology in the long run.
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Rather than talking about combustion, let's just say that Q waves his hand and suddenly modern technology doesn't work. That sidesteps copouts like "well, nuclear power plants don't use electricity so they still work". The power plants and the dams are still there, but for whatever reason, the juice doesn't flow down the wires.
In some ways, it's impossible to regress totally back to Medieval technology. Certain technologies, like bicycles, could be easily built with Medieval techniques. Modern medicine couldn't be duplicated, but basic knowledge of what causes disease won't go away just because the lights went out, so we're not about to go back to bloodletting and leeches.
In other ways, though, things would be even more primitive than they were in the ME. Very few people have the detailed knowledge needed to remake Medieval weapons, and there's no guarantee that they'll survive the initial period of chaos and starvation. And while SGA types might know how to use a sword, how many people know how to use a horse-drawn plow? Frankly, the third world has the advantage here, as very few first world farmers will know how to effectively farm without machines and chemical fertilizers once they run out. In fact, there won't be enough animals in the first world to make use of all the arable land. First-worlders will be faced with the spectacle of fields lying fallow while millions starve (or, perhaps, people will be pressed into service pulling plows and hand-picking crops). The situation with draft animals isn't going to get any better for some time, because a lot of potential breeding animals are going to get eaten in the early stages of the collapse, and more will starve.
Forget about nation-states surviving. Without electricity, radio, firearms, the internal combustion engine, and millions of people starving and millions more fleeing the cities, no government can continu to function--and without firearms and no means to acquire melee weapons in quantity, how would they enforce their authority anyway?
In some ways, it's impossible to regress totally back to Medieval technology. Certain technologies, like bicycles, could be easily built with Medieval techniques. Modern medicine couldn't be duplicated, but basic knowledge of what causes disease won't go away just because the lights went out, so we're not about to go back to bloodletting and leeches.
In other ways, though, things would be even more primitive than they were in the ME. Very few people have the detailed knowledge needed to remake Medieval weapons, and there's no guarantee that they'll survive the initial period of chaos and starvation. And while SGA types might know how to use a sword, how many people know how to use a horse-drawn plow? Frankly, the third world has the advantage here, as very few first world farmers will know how to effectively farm without machines and chemical fertilizers once they run out. In fact, there won't be enough animals in the first world to make use of all the arable land. First-worlders will be faced with the spectacle of fields lying fallow while millions starve (or, perhaps, people will be pressed into service pulling plows and hand-picking crops). The situation with draft animals isn't going to get any better for some time, because a lot of potential breeding animals are going to get eaten in the early stages of the collapse, and more will starve.
Forget about nation-states surviving. Without electricity, radio, firearms, the internal combustion engine, and millions of people starving and millions more fleeing the cities, no government can continu to function--and without firearms and no means to acquire melee weapons in quantity, how would they enforce their authority anyway?
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A big problem in the rebuilding will probably be religious wars. Why? Because a lot of the survivors will attribute the sudden breaking down of all modern technology as an Act of God (TM) and will conclude that technology should not be rebuilt if it pissed off God that much. I expect a lot of fanatical cults, new and old, smashing with their clubs any attempts to rebuild civilization.
Hmm...what if these cults tried to invade Amish country?
Hmm...what if these cults tried to invade Amish country?
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Then you'll have suicide cults, cults saying its the coming of the Apocalypse....basically alot of stupid people doing stupid things.Mayabird wrote:A big problem in the rebuilding will probably be religious wars. Why? Because a lot of the survivors will attribute the sudden breaking down of all modern technology as an Act of God (TM) and will conclude that technology should not be rebuilt if it pissed off God that much. I expect a lot of fanatical cults, new and old, smashing with their clubs any attempts to rebuild civilization.
Hmm...what if these cults tried to invade Amish country?
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I would think that there would be a huge die off.
Though there is no mention of failure of nuclear tech or electricity, which to me means that most modern tech would remain operational, just stuff like the ICE and explosives would no longer operate. If this is indeed the case then most things would return to normal without much adverse effect in short order.
I do think there would me some mayhem caused by the religious nuts saying it was an act of God and that we should not rebuild tech. That part alone might be the worst of it.
We would need alternate sources of heat very quickly though since the metalworking industries would grind to a halt immediately since fire would no longer be an option to heat the smelters. It would also be a very clean world afterward without the atmospheric pollution of engine exhaust, and other exhausts from heating systems.
Our space program would be dead though, since rockets would no longer work, air power would no longer exist, the only machines still moving would be either nuclear or electrically driven, like the US Nimitz class carriers, monorails, and electric cars.
Though there is no mention of failure of nuclear tech or electricity, which to me means that most modern tech would remain operational, just stuff like the ICE and explosives would no longer operate. If this is indeed the case then most things would return to normal without much adverse effect in short order.
I do think there would me some mayhem caused by the religious nuts saying it was an act of God and that we should not rebuild tech. That part alone might be the worst of it.
We would need alternate sources of heat very quickly though since the metalworking industries would grind to a halt immediately since fire would no longer be an option to heat the smelters. It would also be a very clean world afterward without the atmospheric pollution of engine exhaust, and other exhausts from heating systems.
Our space program would be dead though, since rockets would no longer work, air power would no longer exist, the only machines still moving would be either nuclear or electrically driven, like the US Nimitz class carriers, monorails, and electric cars.
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