The War on Terrorism; opinions. (Americans only.)

[Vertigo1]

I think the US needs to get back on track. I supported it before Bush started in one Iraq. He was going after real terroism. I didn't agree with all his methods but in general was a skeptical supporter.

Now, I'm not for it. Bush is using it to go after people he personally doesn't like. He slipped up and revealed his real reasons when he said "They tried to kill my dad". He has every reason to be pissed but I don't like the idea of going to war to even a personal score.

Agreed. The retaliatory strike on Afganistan was one thing, but outright attacking Iraq? Gee...why does this sound so familiar? This is gonna turn out like another Vietnam. Just you wait and see. He just wants to finish what daddy didn't have the balls to do back in the 90's. He wants to take out Saddam? Fine, send in special forces to take him out, but don't waste the lives of thousands of our boys just to settle a personal grudge.

[Raptor 597]

I fully support the war on terror, living here in NYC and I was here for 9/11 I can fully say that there is not enough we can do to exterminate these roaches and restore some peace and stability. Is it a coincidence that there have been no major terrorist attacks against the US since 9/11? The strategy of preemptive strikes is PRECISELY what we need to deter more terrorist attacks, any particular reason why we should wait for American blood to be spilled before we strike?

So I'm with Bush all the way. And I just LOVE the crow that those folks are eating about North Korea when Bush talked about his axis of evil. How they snickered and laughed about that statement. What is it about othe nations that they can't recognioze that there are evil regimes out there, regimes that only mean us harm?? Oh that's right, they can afford to be bitchy about it because they live under an umbrella of American security.

Maybe the fact that there have not been terrorist strikes in the US is related to the fact that increased security is making their movements more difficult.Or maybe more simply they are already preparing the next strike.
So there are good chances that it may well be a coincidence.
One thing that has not ceased to amaze me is that so many americans believe that people willing to kill themselves if they can bring some westerners with them are going to be deterred by your military toys.
Your incapability to cope with this simple fact is... well I have no words.
And please can you bother to explain me why Korea would be part of an axis of evil? Does the simply fact to posses nuclear weapons means that they have some organic alliance with Iran and Iraq?Unless for you selling weapons to everyone who pays with hard cash means having an alliance,which is a curious concept.In such a case I can only wait for the moment when you will scream in horror hearing from your president that Pakistan has a complete nuclear arsenal and is ruled by a dictator.

I have too argee with admiral Piett here on this one. We have nukes, hmmm why don't they disarm we are a threat? Answer: Anyone else who is ambitious at the US will be an 'Axis Power' I'm still sort of a patriot, but anyway too the point North Korea has nothing too do with us except killing South Korea. The US gets 2 birds with one stoe North Korea. 1 They get more nukes or nobody too stop them and also having an Army border Chine is nice , etc. 2 It makes Bush look good

[Stravo]

I fully support the war on terror, living here in NYC and I was here for 9/11 I can fully say that there is not enough we can do to exterminate these roaches and restore some peace and stability. Is it a coincidence that there have been no major terrorist attacks against the US since 9/11? The strategy of preemptive strikes is PRECISELY what we need to deter more terrorist attacks, any particular reason why we should wait for American blood to be spilled before we strike?

So I'm with Bush all the way. And I just LOVE the crow that those folks are eating about North Korea when Bush talked about his axis of evil. How they snickered and laughed about that statement. What is it about othe nations that they can't recognioze that there are evil regimes out there, regimes that only mean us harm?? Oh that's right, they can afford to be bitchy about it because they live under an umbrella of American security.

Maybe the fact that there have not been terrorist strikes in the US is related to the fact that increased security is making their movements more difficult.Or maybe more simply they are already preparing the next strike.

OR maybe they are so busy running away from the incessant strikes at their support structure that they have no time or resources to mount a terrorist attack. This bullshit about crazies willing to die to take a few westerners with them ignores the fact that these strikes have not come on American soil until they had an established organzation and structure to support their ideas. They had training and money with the likes of Al-Queda, they did not have this before. There have always been Islamic fundies that wanted nothing more than to strike at the Great Satan but now they had leadership and a real organization. That organization is currently in disarray thanks to our military toys...BTW whenever there's a problem the EU ceratinly LOVES to call us in with our toys don't they??[/color]

So there are good chances that it may well be a coincidence. NOPE. I think there's a very good chance that with most of their leadership dead or on the run you suddenly have a bunch of terrorists who don't speak each other's language leaderless without resources...


One thing that has not ceased to amaze me is that so many americans believe that people willing to kill themselves if they can bring some westerners with them are going to be deterred by your military toys.
Your incapability to cope with this simple fact is... well I have no words.

That's right there are no words because they ARE being deterred. Deal with it, it's a good thing to have the world's mightiest military and the next time you want some peace keeping done in YOUR BACKYARD kindly leave us out of it.

And please can you bother to explain me why Korea would be part of an axis of evil? Does the simply fact to posses nuclear weapons means that they have some organic alliance with Iran and Iraq?Unless for you selling weapons to everyone who pays with hard cash means having an alliance,which is a curious concept.In such a case I can only wait for the moment when you will scream in horror hearing from your president that Pakistan has a complete nuclear arsenal and is ruled by a dictator.

Perhaps some basic understanding of what was meant by the quote is necessary. Bush was not saying that Iraq, Iran and North Korea were allied with each other...IF you bothered to listen to the speech and not read the likes of Le Monde you would know that what he DID say is that these three nations formed an axis of evil. They were the three primary threats against the USA. God forbid we should identify threats to our well being...better to wait and let more Americans die for the illusion that we are abiding by international laws and accords that others are most definately not and in fact one of the three was caught red handed in lying about their nuclear weapons program...oh yeah...there's no threat there.

I have too argee with admiral Piett here on this one. We have nukes, hmmm why don't they disarm we are a threat? Answer: Anyone else who is ambitious at the US will be an 'Axis Power'

That's just ludicrous, has Bush trotted out any other nations as a potential threat? South Africa has nukes, I don;t see us itching to wade into that morass. Pakistan has been a player in the war on terrorism, so where's the threat there? No, accusing the current administration that they will use this axis of evil against any nation that opposes US goals has not ben proven. If this were true France should be under occupation right now Plain and simple truth, he pointed to the top three threats and so far two of them have been proven to be precisely that - dire threats.

I'm still sort of a patriot, but anyway too the point North Korea has nothing too do with us except killing South Korea. The US gets 2 birds with one stoe North Korea. 1 They get more nukes or nobody too stop them and also having an Army border Chine is nice , etc. 2 It makes Bush look good

BTW you can still be a patriot and disagree with Bush or how the war on terrorism is being handled. Thsi is not a matter of patrotism, but of reality and the threats we face and how we want to deal with them.

[Admiral Piett]

[OR maybe they are so busy running away from the incessant strikes at their support structure that they have no time or resources to mount a terrorist attack. This bullshit about crazies willing to die to take a few westerners with them ignores the fact that these strikes have not come on American soil until they had an established organzation and structure to support their ideas. They had training and money with the likes of Al-Queda, they did not have this before. There have always been Islamic fundies that wanted nothing more than to strike at the Great Satan but now they had leadership and a real organization. That organization is currently in disarray thanks to our military toys...BTW whenever there's a problem the EU ceratinly LOVES to call us in with our toys don't they??[/color]

Yes,I am sure that the terrorist cells in the US will be greatly affected by your bombings in Iraq (sarcasm).And that the terrorist who are maybe living,let us say, in Indonesia (just to make an example) and are preparing to enter in the US,financed by Saudi businnesmen ,will be scared by your bombings.

. NOPE. I think there's a very good chance that with most of their leadership dead or on the run you suddenly have a bunch of terrorists who don't speak each other's language leaderless without resources...

Yes,I am sure that bombing Iraq will make impossible for Saudi (and others) businnesmen sending money to them...

That's right there are no words because they ARE being deterred. Deal with it, it's a good thing to have the world's mightiest military and the next time you want some peace keeping done in YOUR BACKYARD kindly leave us out of it.

Yes, I have seen how the terrorists of the 9/11 were deterred by your toys... (you are correct about Kosovo,but that is a different history)

Perhaps some basic understanding of what was meant by the quote is necessary. Bush was not saying that Iraq, Iran and North Korea were allied with each other...IF you bothered to listen to the speech and not read the likes of Le Monde you would know that what he DID say is that these three nations formed an axis of evil. They were the three primary threats against the USA. God forbid we should identify threats to our well being...better to wait and let more Americans die for the illusion that we are abiding by international laws and accords that others are most definately not and in fact one of the three was caught red handed in lying about their nuclear weapons program...oh yeah...there's no threat there.

Then he should not have used the "axis of evil" expression.And certainly North Korea is a primary threat to the US...

That's just ludicrous, has Bush trotted out any other nations as a potential threat? South Africa has nukes, I don;t see us itching to wade into that morass. Pakistan has been a player in the war on terrorism, so where's the threat there? No, accusing the current administration that they will use this axis of evil against any nation that opposes US goals has not ben proven. If this were true France should be under occupation right now Plain and simple truth, he pointed to the top three threats and so far two of them have been proven to be precisely that - dire threats.

South Africa does not have nukes.And even Saddam was a player:in the containment of Iran.Now insted is the public enemy no 1.Funny, eh?

As I have started to suspect months ago you are clueless about terrorism.You see it as a military threat that can be eliminated and "deterred" by military actions.That is a totally wrong mindset that will bring you disasters sooner or later.
Counterterrorism is primary a police and intelligence work.Wars may be necessary from time to time (Afghanistan) but that is a strictly secondary
part of the job.Here in Europe we have dealt with terrorism for decades,so we have some knowledge of how the terrorist morons operate.While these are different from anything we have faced so far at least we know the basics about terrorism,something you seem to ignore.

[Mr Bean]

Terriosm supported by a Goverment IS a Military Orginzation however Irregluar it is

Terriosm is supported by
1. Weapons Dealers and makers who can be dettered from contiung to provided weapons or destroyed
2. Safe-Houses and Established structures like the Afiganistant Training Centers which can be Destroyed


A Terriost Group without some sort of fixed base is useless and easy to find if Internaitonal due to all the Communcation Nessary

Sure ten guys with guns can shoot up a building or two but they will die and sooner or later they will run out of people

However somone body who has a base where one could mix a bomb and enough people to plant it somone else could cause a quite bit more damage


Face it sure one half of terriosm is policework but the other half of the fight is dening them bases and places to draw weapons and support from and THAT is a Military and Govermental Fight

Or lasted I checked Iran was a bit out of Police jurisdiction...

[HemlockGrey]

The French?
Why them?

Maybe because they sell their weapons to anyone who can pay, regardless of morale fiber?

As I have started to suspect months ago you are clueless about terrorism.You see it as a military threat that can be eliminated and "deterred" by military actions.That is a totally wrong mindset that will bring you disasters sooner or later.
Counterterrorism is primary a police and intelligence work.Wars may be necessary from time to time (Afghanistan) but that is a strictly secondary
part of the job.Here in Europe we have dealt with terrorism for decades,so we have some knowledge of how the terrorist morons operate.While these are different from anything we have faced so far at least we know the basics about terrorism,something you seem to ignore.

You obviously aren't very good at it if you've been dealing with it for 'decades'.

So, you'd rather have us muck about and abide by peaceful laws and make treaties and seek allied support before we do jackshit?

How about not?

How about we attack first? How about we level the terrorist infrastructure and nail their supporters and launch all our pretty little toys at the people who fund the terrorists, supply the terrorists, and so much as threaten to help the terrorists? That sound good to you? It does't involve much bickering, very little beaurcratic morass, and nearly no negotiable channels, but the net result is that the terrorists find themselves wielding a 2x4 against a Predator attack drone. It works. STFU.

[haas mark]

IMO, there's always going to be some radical out there that wants to try to prove a point, and is going to do so by terrorizing the American citizens (hence terrorism). Now, I really don't know much about Bush's "War," but I do know that it is pointless to even try. If it's always gonna be there, why bother? We're humans; we pick up after the mess, and begin again. That's how it's always been.

[Ted]

A main reason why the US is bullying Iraq is because they can.
NK is much more of a threat, would be more viable to threaten, but they have nukes that can hit the US, so NK is ignored, where as Iraq has no nukes, has no delivery system, so its easy for a coward like the US to bully Iraq.

[Mr Bean]

Watch what Bullshit you spew around here Ted because your making yourself look like a Dumb-Fuck

Tell me Ted oh Grand Master of Knowledge, Why did the Cowardly US never attack the Soviet Union?


MAYBE I MAKE THIS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR WE CAN'T ATTACK NORTH KOREA, WE HAVE NO BASES TO SUPPORT US IN THAT REGION, OUR CLOSET ONES ARE IN GERMANY!

WOULD IT BE THE "BRAVE THING TO DO?" TED TO FIGHT THROUGH RUSSIA AND CHINA TO ATTACK NORTH KOREA?


Look Ted your making yourself look like an Ass here , and an idiotic one at that

South Korea has Already said They will not let us attack NK through them, Same with Japan, That leaves our nearest bases either in GERMANY or we could move three carriers up plus the rest of thier guardian fleets and hope we can not only resist NK Air and Sea attacks but also clear oursleves a beach-head and invade with all 10,000 Troops we can move at a time and hope they can defend themsleves for two months weeks it takes to get back to the US, Loaded Up and turn around and deliver... another 10,000 Troops.....

You seriously think we can take 500,000 NK Troops on with 10,000 Marines Ted?

Do you?

[Illuminatus Primus]

As I have started to suspect months ago you are clueless about terrorism.You see it as a military threat that can be eliminated and "deterred" by military actions.That is a totally wrong mindset that will bring you disasters sooner or later.
Counterterrorism is primary a police and intelligence work.Wars may be necessary from time to time (Afghanistan) but that is a strictly secondary
part of the job.Here in Europe we have dealt with terrorism for decades,so we have some knowledge of how the terrorist morons operate.While these are different from anything we have faced so far at least we know the basics about terrorism,something you seem to ignore.

Well, Europe sells weapons to the Muslim dictatorships, and happily deals with them. France and Russia won't cooperate because Saddam owes them billions and they have many lucrative deals which become wastepaper is Saddam is deposed. It is in their best interest the despot stays in power and does whatever he wants so long as they get paid.

You obviously lack a basic understanding about terrorism. Primarily police work? Horseshit. America was basically at the frontline of terrorism when it really started in the 1970s. You're ignorant of commonly accepted historical fact. If anything we have problems now because we didn't adquately deal with it then; we let Hezbollah get away with blowing up the barracks; we let Al Quaeda blow the USS Cole. Terrorism is the war of the 21st Century, and in war, you fight until your enemy no longer has the capability to attack you. You complete your objectives. This is not difficult to understand. The U.S. must protect itself.

[Admiral Piett]

The French?
Why them?

Maybe because they sell their weapons to anyone who can pay, regardless of morale fiber?

You obviously aren't very good at it if you've been dealing with it for 'decades'.

So, you'd rather have us muck about and abide by peaceful laws and make treaties and seek allied support before we do jackshit?

How about not?

How about we attack first? How about we level the terrorist infrastructure and nail their supporters and launch all our pretty little toys at the people who fund the terrorists, supply the terrorists, and so much as threaten to help the terrorists? That sound good to you? It does't involve much bickering, very little beaurcratic morass, and nearly no negotiable channels, but the net result is that the terrorists find themselves wielding a 2x4 against a Predator attack drone. It works. STFU.

I am beginning to feel like one who is speaking to wall.Have you ever considered the idea that maybe,just maybe these terrorist do not concentrate themselves in a ME shithole with a target painted over them so that your pathetic drones can shoot them? That they are sustained by the same people who maybe are in businness with your beloved president? And that maybe will be sustained by every muslim in the world once your tanks will roll over the Mecca? Do you know that the Algerians financed their war of independence with immigrants contributions? What if something similar happened for Al Quaeda oncew you will make them look like heroes? What about trying to use the brain before pulling the trigger?
And why have not you used the B-52s to kill the sniper,if the Air force is so good in hunting down terrorists?
And please,you are not in the conditions to preach morality to the french.
You have sold weapons to nearly every dictator on the western emisphere.

[Admiral Piett]

Well, Europe sells weapons to the Muslim dictatorships, and happily deals with them. France and Russia won't cooperate because Saddam owes them billions and they have many lucrative deals which become wastepaper is Saddam is deposed. It is in their best interest the despot stays in power and does whatever he wants so long as they get paid.

You obviously lack a basic understanding about terrorism. Primarily police work? Horseshit. America was basically at the frontline of terrorism when it really started in the 1970s. You're ignorant of commonly accepted historical fact. If anything we have problems now because we didn't adquately deal with it then; we let Hezbollah get away with blowing up the barracks; we let Al Quaeda blow the USS Cole. Terrorism is the war of the 21st Century, and in war, you fight until your enemy no longer has the capability to attack you. You complete your objectives. This is not difficult to understand. The U.S. must protect itself.

Have you been collectively brainwashed there in the US? Do you remember you supported the scum of the ME in Afghanistan back in the 80's? Do you remember you have sold or handed weapons to every dictator in the western emisphere, Saddam included?
Frontlines of terrorism my ass.Part of the mess is caused by your past policies that are starting to backfire, that is.

[Stravo]

Well, Europe sells weapons to the Muslim dictatorships, and happily deals with them. France and Russia won't cooperate because Saddam owes them billions and they have many lucrative deals which become wastepaper is Saddam is deposed. It is in their best interest the despot stays in power and does whatever he wants so long as they get paid.

You obviously lack a basic understanding about terrorism. Primarily police work? Horseshit. America was basically at the frontline of terrorism when it really started in the 1970s. You're ignorant of commonly accepted historical fact. If anything we have problems now because we didn't adquately deal with it then; we let Hezbollah get away with blowing up the barracks; we let Al Quaeda blow the USS Cole. Terrorism is the war of the 21st Century, and in war, you fight until your enemy no longer has the capability to attack you. You complete your objectives. This is not difficult to understand. The U.S. must protect itself.

Have you been collectively brainwashed there in the US? Do you remember you supported the scum of the ME in Afghanistan back in the 80's? Do you remember you have sold or handed weapons to every dictator in the western emisphere, Saddam included?
Frontlines of terrorism my ass.Part of the mess is caused by your past policies that are starting to backfire, that is.

You have YET to prove a point concerning the deterrence that our toys as you call them have done nothing to deter the terrorists from attacks against US targets. Don't YOU get it that without bases and an organization all you have are loons with machine guns and some pipe bombs? Don't you SEE that without a support structure attacks like 9/11 CAN'T happen because that takes precsion militray like planning, something these idiots with a grenade strapped to their chests couldn't ever do? The war is working...you pull Indonesia out of your ass and I say that they haven't done jack shit HERE. That's what the war is all about, keeping the homefront safe and sound. Americans will die overseas in terrorist bombings...guess what that's been happening since the dawn of terrorsim. But 9/11 was about a determined terrorist threat to the home front...that changed EVERYTHING and until you understand that the SOLE reason they were able to do that is BECAUSE they had organizations and support structures then you'll see why the "toys" are needed to blow them all straight to hell. Then all that you have are some crazy people with an agenda and no way to actually carry it out.

As to our weapons sales...they were sold to dictatorships that were opposed to Communism, specifically the USSR, during the Cold War. Those sales may not have been the right thing to do but they all fit in a policy of containment. WHat precisely is France's overarching policy for their weapons sales to anyone? Making money perhaps? Because lord knows, Europe has not contributed much of anything to the world stage in regard to having any sort of policy other than trying desprately to claw its way out of the US' shadow and stand on its own. Too fucking bad that the moment we have crisis in the European homefront they come running home to daddy...namely us. Once again I say let Europe handle their own affairs...they've done oh so well. After all they invented such wonderful things as holocausts and ethnic cleansing...way to go guys.

[Guest]

Is this a sign of the Americans gettign all elitest and shit. ur very arrogant to declare a war on terrorists when infact you goverment set up numerous terrorist groups from the IRA to Al'Quieda

I can't believe Muad'Dib had the audacity to suggest that America should not be upset over 9/11 and the various other terrorist attacks that it has suffered. In fact, it sounds like he is justifying the actions of the terrorists. There isn't anything that I can say to convince you of your folly (if you are really so demented to believe that trash you just spewed). The US has every right to fight terrorists and destroy them. What is your suggestion for dealing with them??? Do you support them???

I resent your inuendo, i watched what happend on 9/11 and was as sicked as anyone. But when you live in a country were terrorist leaders are held up as an example for American citizens to follow and a nice place to put your money you kinda lose sympathy for other countries. The fact of the matter is only one week after 9/11 Gerry Admans the leader and Commander of Sinn Fein/IRA was over in america fund raising for his pirvate army to cause more terrorist attrocities. Kinda a double standard in you countries policy to terrorism. How can a country declare a war on terrorism then sing IRA songs about dead Brits on St. Paddies day. How can a country that declares a war on terrorism be so stupid as to continue to turn a bling eye towards all the shit the IRA has put my country throug. No i do not support terrorists in any form or nature but i consider it the hight of hippocrasy thre way most americans react to 9/11 and then laugh off something like the Omagh Bomb or Bloody Friday or any other acts of violence the IRA has committed. You sir, are a hipocrit.

[Guest]

and for another thing, i saw well known Irish Republicans celebrate the 9/11 attact. all those terrorist groups support each other. Try and remember that next time you sing an IRA song about dead british soldiers on Saint Particks day.

[Admiral Piett]

I hate to repeat myself but terrorism main support structures are not caves in Afghanistan.They are houses in the US where terrorist can hide,people supplying false documents,banks to recycle the money and so on.These are the true support structures of terrorism.Because, ladies and gentlemen,
terrorists go into hiding.They do not like to face an army so they hid themselves among the population.Maybe there is one Al Quaeda cell which near to you.Or near to me.Who knows?
Maybe they get the money from a Saudi businnesman via some complicated financial link.And they are awaiting only an order which will come from internet to start go around killing people.
This is an example of how terrorism actually works.B-52s will not stop this.
Unless you are willing to bomb your own country,that is.
You believe that terrorism can exist only thanks to the existence of some "safe heaven" or "rogue state", eliminate it and terrorism will cease.
Sorry it does not work in this way.

[Admiral Piett]

You have YET to prove a point concerning the deterrence that our toys as you call them have done nothing to deter the terrorists from attacks against US targets. Don't YOU get it that without bases and an organization all you have are loons with machine guns and some pipe bombs? Don't you SEE that without a support structure attacks like 9/11 CAN'T happen because that takes precsion militray like planning, something these idiots with a grenade strapped to their chests couldn't ever do? The war is working...you pull Indonesia out of your ass and I say that they haven't done jack shit HERE. That's what the war is all about, keeping the homefront safe and sound. Americans will die overseas in terrorist bombings...guess what that's been happening since the dawn of terrorsim. But 9/11 was about a determined terrorist threat to the home front...that changed EVERYTHING and until you understand that the SOLE reason they were able to do that is BECAUSE they had organizations and support structures then you'll see why the "toys" are needed to blow them all straight to hell. Then all that you have are some crazy people with an agenda and no way to actually carry it out.

What about bombing terrorist bases such as that training camp in Alabama?

As to our weapons sales...they were sold to dictatorships that were opposed to Communism, specifically the USSR, during the Cold War. Those sales may not have been the right thing to do but they all fit in a policy of containment. WHat precisely is France's overarching policy for their weapons sales to anyone? Making money perhaps?

Yes that is for sure.You would not even consider such an evil thing
such as selling weapons for money...

Because lord knows, Europe has not contributed much of anything to the world stage in regard to having any sort of policy other than trying desprately to claw its way out of the US' shadow and stand on its own. Too fucking bad that the moment we have crisis in the European homefront they come running home to daddy...namely us. Once again I say let Europe handle their own affairs...they've done oh so well. After all they invented such wonderful things as holocausts and ethnic cleansing...way to go guys.

I hate to give you the bad news but probably what you did to the indians qualify as a such.

[Stravo]

You have YET to prove a point concerning the deterrence that our toys as you call them have done nothing to deter the terrorists from attacks against US targets. Don't YOU get it that without bases and an organization all you have are loons with machine guns and some pipe bombs? Don't you SEE that without a support structure attacks like 9/11 CAN'T happen because that takes precsion militray like planning, something these idiots with a grenade strapped to their chests couldn't ever do? The war is working...you pull Indonesia out of your ass and I say that they haven't done jack shit HERE. That's what the war is all about, keeping the homefront safe and sound. Americans will die overseas in terrorist bombings...guess what that's been happening since the dawn of terrorsim. But 9/11 was about a determined terrorist threat to the home front...that changed EVERYTHING and until you understand that the SOLE reason they were able to do that is BECAUSE they had organizations and support structures then you'll see why the "toys" are needed to blow them all straight to hell. Then all that you have are some crazy people with an agenda and no way to actually carry it out.

What about bombing terrorist bases such as that training camp in Alabama?

Oh yeah, that home grown terrorism is the wave of the future, yep, those terror cells in Bufallo have done so much damage...but wait...weren't they arrested??? Yeah, that's right, we don't need to bomb our own people thats what the police and FBI are for. But if we ever have some good old fashioned ethnic cleansing going on I'll be sure to call the EU to give us a hand in the peace keeping effort here.

As to our weapons sales...they were sold to dictatorships that were opposed to Communism, specifically the USSR, during the Cold War. Those sales may not have been the right thing to do but they all fit in a policy of containment. WHat precisely is France's overarching policy for their weapons sales to anyone? Making money perhaps?

Yes that is for sure.You would not even consider such an evil thing
such as selling weapons for money...

Selling weapons for money without a cause or a clear policy...yep, that's pretty much a greed thing without a care in the world that we would be facing those weapons on the battlefield only a few years later. I think I was not alone when I fervently hoped that some French planes would have been shot down by Iraqi Mirages during the Gulf War, alas the irony never happened

Because lord knows, Europe has not contributed much of anything to the world stage in regard to having any sort of policy other than trying desprately to claw its way out of the US' shadow and stand on its own. Too fucking bad that the moment we have crisis in the European homefront they come running home to daddy...namely us. Once again I say let Europe handle their own affairs...they've done oh so well. After all they invented such wonderful things as holocausts and ethnic cleansing...way to go guys.

I hate to give you the bad news but probably what you did to the indians qualify as a such.

Interesting that you have to go back a few CENTURIES to equate the horror of what been done and is being done over in "civilized" Europe in the last 50-60 years.

[Admiral Piett]

You have YET to prove a point concerning the deterrence that our toys as you call them have done nothing to deter the terrorists from attacks against US targets. Don't YOU get it that without bases and an organization all you have are loons with machine guns and some pipe bombs? Don't you SEE that without a support structure attacks like 9/11 CAN'T happen because that takes precsion militray like planning, something these idiots with a grenade strapped to their chests couldn't ever do? The war is working...you pull Indonesia out of your ass and I say that they haven't done jack shit HERE. That's what the war is all about, keeping the homefront safe and sound. Americans will die overseas in terrorist bombings...guess what that's been happening since the dawn of terrorsim. But 9/11 was about a determined terrorist threat to the home front...that changed EVERYTHING and until you understand that the SOLE reason they were able to do that is BECAUSE they had organizations and support structures then you'll see why the "toys" are needed to blow them all straight to hell. Then all that you have are some crazy people with an agenda and no way to actually carry it out.

Yes,terrorists cannot have a clandestine organization.They cannot have bases even in the same country they want to strike.I am sure that mr Muad' Dib could confirm this very well (sarcasm).And much more important terrorists can not spread terror with rifles or stupid explosives (sarcasm)

[Admiral Piett]

Oh yeah, that home grown terrorism is the wave of the future, yep, those terror cells in Bufallo have done so much damage...but wait...weren't they arrested??? Yeah, that's right, we don't need to bomb our own people thats what the police and FBI are for. But if we ever have some good old fashioned ethnic cleansing going on I'll be sure to call the EU to give us a hand in the peace keeping effort here.

Uh, what about the 9/11 kamikaze who trained themselves in the US flight schools?
We give you an hand for the peacekeeping.I could say that the division of work is the following:you drop the bomb from 4000 meters and then you leave us the place to garrison, so that will be our soldiers to risk to die to mines and the other crap.But I do not want to sound offensive to the US soldiers that are deployed in these shitholes together with european ones.However you cannot deny that the european contribution to these missions is far from being insignificant.

Selling weapons for money without a cause or a clear policy...yep, that's pretty much a greed thing without a care in the world that we would be facing those weapons on the battlefield only a few years later. I think I was not alone when I fervently hoped that some French planes would have been shot down by Iraqi Mirages during the Gulf War, alas the irony never happened

I fervently (I am not serious of course) hoped that one of your soldiers stumbled upon one of the landmines you supplied to Saddam...
Or that you will have to face the Saudi Abrams that you supplied to them...
And I hoped that one of your aircrafts was shot down during the tankers war by one of the F-14s you supplied to Iran.And that one of your destroyers was destroyed by an Harpoon missile you supplied to them.And the list goes on...

Interesting that you have to go back a few CENTURIES to equate the horror of what been done and is being done over in "civilized" Europe in the last 50-60 years.

Shall I delight you with descritptions of what your compatriots did to blacks until the 70's? Besides if you bother to check an history book you will discover that the indian wars were still underway 150 years ago,not "centuries".By the way how many ehtnic cleansings are taking place in the EU?
More important,how much is this related to terrorism and the ways to stop it? Or simply you are using the "look to the evil nazi" tactic that even Azeron used when he ran out of rational arguments?

[Stravo]

By the way how many ehtnic cleansing are taking place in the EU?

Well, if one reads carefully TRILLIONS have died at the hands of the Empire and her various incarnations in the EU...Oh wait...I don't think that's what you meant

[Illuminatus Primus]

It's not difficult to understand the terrorists can't launch successful large-scale attacks on the U.S. without significant financial support, military supply, significant training, underground communication, and organized recruitment. You're confusing things.

The U.S. Military incursions in Afghanistan and Iraq are intended to deprive terrorists of the above resources. This makes it very difficult for international terrorist organizations to function. Obviously your point is correct with respect to Isreal/Palestine. They live so close and need so little external support you can't try to militarily deny them neccessary resources because they're simply too plentiful. But terrorism against the U.S. is different then Palestinians blowing themselves up in Tel Aviv cafes.

[Admiral Piett]

It's not difficult to understand the terrorists can't launch successful large-scale attacks on the U.S. without significant financial support, military supply, significant training, underground communication, and organized recruitment. You're confusing things.

The U.S. Military incursions in Afghanistan and Iraq are intended to deprive terrorists of the above resources. This makes it very difficult for international terrorist organizations to function. Obviously your point is correct with respect to Isreal/Palestine. They live so close and need so little external support you can't try to militarily deny them neccessary resources because they're simply too plentiful. But terrorism against the U.S. is different then Palestinians blowing themselves up in Tel Aviv cafes.

What you say is only partially true for Afghanistan and it is not for Iraq.The support structures that keep Al Quaeda afloat are not going to be significantly damaged by an attack on Iraq.It is difficult to target financial support,organized recruitment and underground communication with conventional military offensives.And a large portion of that stuff is already in western countries in anyway.
Are you going to bomb Florida because terrorists trained and hid themselves there?
Are you going to bomb Wall street because apparently Bin Laden invested money there?
Are you going to bomb London because many terrorists have been recruited there?

[Darth Wong]

It's not difficult to understand the terrorists can't launch successful large-scale attacks on the U.S. without significant financial support, military supply, significant training, underground communication, and organized recruitment. You're confusing things.

The U.S. Military incursions in Afghanistan and Iraq are intended to deprive terrorists of the above resources. This makes it very difficult for international terrorist organizations to function. Obviously your point is correct with respect to Isreal/Palestine. They live so close and need so little external support you can't try to militarily deny them neccessary resources because they're simply too plentiful. But terrorism against the U.S. is different then Palestinians blowing themselves up in Tel Aviv cafes.

So ... you're saying that the financial support networks for Al-Quaeda are based in Afghanistan and Iraq, and not Saudi Arabia where all of the money is and where Bin Laden came from?

Oh, I forgot ... we must come to that conclusion because Saudi Arabia is a "friendly" nation with close economic ties to Bushie-boy, so they are beyond reproach

[The Duchess of Zeon]

So ... you're saying that the financial support networks for Al-Quaeda are based in Afghanistan and Iraq, and not Saudi Arabia where all of the money is and where Bin Laden came from?

Oh, I forgot ... we must come to that conclusion because Saudi Arabia is a "friendly" nation with close economic ties to Bushie-boy, so they are beyond reproach

This is one area in which we're agreement; Saudi Arabia has to be the real target for the War on Terror to be meaningful. My expectation however is that we're deceiving the House of Saud as to our intentions until we have the capability to invade them quickly. Imagine the economic damage if they had time to whip the oil market as we built up to invade them. With a large occupation force in Iraq poised over their heads, they couldn't do that.

Of course, I could end up rather disappointed, but I prefer to remain optimistic in that regard if not in others.