And then......

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-30 11:59pm

Exactly what aspect of science fiction are you lacking in?

Philosophies of SF? Calc derivations?

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-31 12:02am

verilon wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
verilon wrote: More or less.
Start by reading the Heir to Empire Trilofy, the Hand of Thrawn Duology. That should keep you busy for a while.
Wanna send me the books? Poor cllege student, remember?

::cough:: library ::cough::

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-31 12:03am

Shinova wrote:Exactly what aspect of science fiction are you lacking in?

Philosophies of SF? Calc derivations?

Philosophy = evil
Calc I'll get to next semester.

Just general SF

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-31 12:04am

verilon wrote:History...will do
Science...check
Military theory...will avoid like a fundie...

Maybe you should just forget about Star WARS then.

But seriously, how could you NOT like military theory?!?!?!!?! It's the coolest education there is!

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-31 12:05am

verilon wrote:
Raxmei wrote:Go to your local public library. They usually have an awful selection, but you might get lucky. I found Consider Phlebas and Feersum Endjinn at a public library. They should have few of the essentials at least. Keep an eye out for Heinlein novellas and anthologies of Clarke and Asimov. They will likely have a profusion of novels by Piers Anthony. Do not touch them. They will give you leprosy.
Nearest public library's a good 45-min alk away...and I have overdue books...

a) Oh bitch bitch bitch. Young people these days are so high-maintenance.

b) Overdue books are bad. Refer to part a)

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-31 12:07am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
verilon wrote:History...will do
Science...check
Military theory...will avoid like a fundie...
Maybe you should just forget about Star WARS then. But seriously, how could you NOT like military theory?!?!?!!?! It's the coolest education there is!

Refers to military dad.....military = evil....really don't like it much at all...

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-31 12:10am

...uhm...I guess...uhm...

...why do you want to learn sci-fi then? That's basically what it's all about. War in the future.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-31 12:10am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:...uhm...I guess...uhm... ...why do you want to learn sci-fi then? That's basically what it's all about. War in the future.

I know....I just don;t care much for the tactics part of it. There' plenty of sci-fi enjoyable without war.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 12:10am

Read the following:

Rama Series, by Arthur C. Clarke

Childhood's End, by Arthur C. Clarke

Martian Chronicles, by Ray Bradbury

Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley

Dune, by Frank Herbert

Those are pretty good examples of "true" science fiction. If you want mainstream science fiction, you'll have to watch stuff like Star wars and star trek.

OR, you can buy and play some of the sci-fi oriented computer games out in the market. I don't think your roommates would object to you playing computer games.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-31 12:11am

Well, not entirely true, but I'd confidently say 80% of sci-fi is war in the future.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-31 12:12am

verilon wrote:I know....I just don;t care much for the tactics part of it. There' plenty of sci-fi enjoyable without war.

You won't get anywhere in the forums without knowledge of tactics...

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 12:12am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Well, not entirely true, but I'd confidently say 80% of sci-fi is war in the future.

No.

Rama, Childhood's End, Martian Chronicles(Has war, but only as minor reference in the background), 2001 space oddyssey.

Most of the best sci-fi are not about war.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-31 12:13am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
verilon wrote:I know....I just don;t care much for the tactics part of it. There' plenty of sci-fi enjoyable without war.
You won't get anywhere in the forums without knowledge of tactics...

Edit that...I won't get *far* Besides, form what I can tell, most of the topics are power issues, not tactical or srategical issues.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-31 12:13am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
verilon wrote:I know....I just don;t care much for the tactics part of it. There' plenty of sci-fi enjoyable without war.
You won't get anywhere in the forums without knowledge of tactics...

He'll be all right if he sticks to non-military subjects, which do crop up on occasion. The SWvST forum is pretty much a lost cause if he's not into military stuff, but the PSW forum tends to contain a lot more "let's examine their civilization" type threads.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 12:14am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
verilon wrote:I know....I just don;t care much for the tactics part of it. There' plenty of sci-fi enjoyable without war.
You won't get anywhere in the forums without knowledge of tactics...

I have basically zero knowledge of military tactics and poor at physics, and I'd say I'm doing pretty fine here.

Verilon, all you'll need (I think) are:

1) Common sense
2) Can take in information and keep them

Common sense is the higher of the two, in my opinion. Whenever I debate I use very little mathematics, and mostly common sense and reasoning.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-31 12:15am

I did mean the SWvsST forum. That's all it is about.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-31 12:16am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I did mean the SWvsST forum. That's all it is about.

So you preemptively assumed that I would only go to SW/ST....anyways....there are two other forums that I would be interested in, obviously....

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-31 12:17am

Shinova wrote:I have basically zero knowledge of military tactics and poor at physics, and I'd say I'm doing pretty fine here.

Verilon, all you'll need (I think) are:
1) Common sense
2) Can take in information and keep them

Common sense is the higher of the two, in my opinion. Whenever I debate I use very little mathematics, and mostly common sense and reasoning.

It depends on what kind of thread you get into. There are a huge number of arguments one can get into where "common sense" physics will just make you look like a complete idiot (some of the Trekkie stuff I've seen will just blow your mind). For example, the widespread belief that black holes produce "magic gravity" that irresistibly sucks in matter OUTSIDE its event horizon; Darkstar used it and mindlessly defended it during our debate, but he's not alone by any means; it is a very common misconception. Black holes are quite resistible outside their event horizons.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 12:17am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I did mean the SWvsST forum. That's all it is about.

Hmmm....

If Verilon can't get the movies, watch the shows, or read the books, then I say a lot of internet surfing is called for. I think reading a few fanfics will help too.

Conquest by Mike Wong should help, has both ST and SW.

Off-topic: Did you guys know that I have a videotape of Star Wars Episode 2 ^_^

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-31 12:17am

To tell you the truth, I have very little knowledge of tactics too, but at least I LIKE them and can make up my own.

If I didn't like tactics and militaries in general, I don't think I would like Star Wars.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-31 12:19am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:To tell you the truth, I have very little knowledge of tactics too, but at least I LIKE them and can make up my own. If I didn't like tactics and militaries in general, I don't think I would like Star Wars.

Interesting how I am simply addicted to Diplomacy but can't stand miltal stuff...

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-31 12:21am

I don't find it interesting. I think people that love diplomacy usually couldn't care less about the military. Example: Politicians.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-31 12:24am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I don't find it interesting. I think people that love diplomacy usually couldn't care less about the military. Example: Politicians.

Nonononono....Diplomacy the game.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 12:25am

verilon wrote:
IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I don't find it interesting. I think people that love diplomacy usually couldn't care less about the military. Example: Politicians.
Nonononono....Diplomacy the game.

Like interspecies relations?

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-10-31 12:35am

Game?? You think diplomatic relations is a game? A GAME?!?!?!! DEALING WITH BILLIONS OF LIVES AROUND THE WORLD EVERY DAY IS A FREAKING GAME?!?!?! lol

What is it? A board game or video game or what?